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[GreekIslandGirl]

This is a nice video of what they are being collecting.
Make your own conclusions

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/29/world ... nes-plane/

If they're finding small things like that, tiny bags and individual components, then it suggests the plane was blown to smithereens.

[Paphitis]

OK it has been revealed that MH370 was detected by Vietnamese Primary Radar, no less than 3 Malaysian Primary Radars, as it was heading west towards Penang. Because the transponder was off, the aircraft was unidentified. The failure here is the fact that the RMAF did not scramble a jet to identify the aircraft.

OK, here is the most likely scenario based on circumstantial evidence!

There is no evidence of any catastrophic failure. The Transponder/ADS-B and ACARS were disabled. At some point the aircraft climbed to FL450, beyond its operating limit. Why? One theory is that the person in control of the aircraft wanted to kill all persons on board. So, maybe they disabled the pressurization warning system and then began to increase the Cabin's Pressure Altitude until fully depressurized. In about 9 to 15 seconds, all persons would be practically brain dead and in 2 minutes or shortly thereafter, all SOBs would be dead. The person in control would be wearing their oxygen mask. Afterall, if this was a suicide mission, then the passengers would need to be neutralized so that they can't attempt to storm the cockpit. So, the possibility is that all persons bar maybe 1 or perhaps 2 (probably just 1) were dead before the aircraft ditched due to fuel starvation.

Then, the aircraft descended to 12000FT before at some point climbing back up to the reported FL350 as the rogue aircraft adopted its final Southerly track which was far enough from the Australian coast and Indonesian Airspace for either country to be concerned with it. Also, the aircraft was flown to some of the deepest and inhospitable oceans in the world. It is practically impossible that the CVR and FDR will be found. The only items that will be retrieved is floating debris belonging to MH370. The debris could be as far as 1000nms from where MH370 entered the ocean. So the fact is, this crash could go down as one of the biggest aviation mysteries ever. Possibly the perfect crime.

Now of course I am not saying that is what happened because frankly I don't know. It is the most plausible explanation going around within the industry.

So who done it? There really is only very sketchy circumstantial evidence at best, but it could be one of the pilots and there was a Flight Engineer in board that would have all the technical knowledge to do all of the above as well. Other than this, a terrorist event can't be ruled out but the person responsible would have had to undergone quite extensive training.

So why would anyone do it? I can't answer that? A psychologist I am not but I put the above up because it is the most plausible scenario so far.

So it really is one very little step at a time. The only thing I believe that is achievable is to try and give the relatives some closure by finding, retrieving and identifying floating debris belonging to MH370. Therefore, the search is critically important and the efforts of 7 countries should be applauded. The next big step is locating the CVR and FDR. That I fear is practically impossible unless the Australians and Americans know something from JORN or their military satellites. If that is the case then just maybe, but I wouldn't think this to be in any way likely.

The only given is that the demise of MH370 was as a result of deliberate actions of someone on board. Now, obviously, your typical passenger would not be capable of all this. Pilots, engineers, or some really well trained suicide terrorist!

[Paphitis]

This is a nice video of what they are being collecting.
Make your own conclusions

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/29/world ... nes-plane/

If they're finding small things like that, tiny bags and individual components, then it suggests the plane was blown to smithereens.

They have a lot more than that and that RNZAF photo looks very interesting to me and it is in line with the statements of RAAF Orion crews as well.

They seem encouraged and very confident but they are not allowed to say anything more.

Also, there is no way anyone is going to shoot down a plane in international airspace heading for Antarctica for crying out loud!

[Paphitis]

One very interesting developing is the deployment of HMAS Ocean Shield.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADV_Ocean_Shield

The vessel is equipped with ELT detection sensors and a deep sea drone capable of scouring the ocean floor at 4000m.

Now imagine how much territory that drone will need to cover without refining the search area? But they are deploying so good luck no matter how hopeless the odds may seem, unless of course the odds are not as bad as we think!

I am insinuating the possibility that the US and Australia have some information that they would definitely withhold for now. Not saying that is the case, but it could be a possibility.

[Paphitis]

Yes I know who was in charge and they did not reveal all the details before the report.

Why are you twisting everything around? You asked if they revealed everything, now you are asking if they revealed everything before the report, the fact is they never hide anything either before or after the report. Helios themselves made it public that their plane was repaired TWICE at Sweden (?) for leakages in the pressurized cabin by Boeing itself. And Boeing gave a certificate that everything was OK.
This was just a few days after the accident...

There really is nothing to reveal. Even the Inmarsat data adopts a number of assumptions and it's not really something you would want to reveal before Air Crash Investigators, Aircraft Performance Analysts and Boeing submit their air crash investigation report.

The data will be revealed eventually. They may choose to do this soon, but if not it will certainly be tabled as part of the ATSB crash report which may take up to 2 - 5 years to be tabled to the public.

The best thing is for this material not to be released right now because quite frankly, all the bullshit that already exists is pretty hard to take for persons like myself who is emotionally attached to this crash as are all industry professionals. It is quite hard to stomach because it is so difficult to explain so we can only imagine how bad it is for the relatives of the passengers and crew.

You could just imagine all the bullshit if an Inmarsat geek tries to explain all that hocus pocus stuff and quite naturally many of the relatives will just go bananas.

All crashes have an effect on the industry but this one even more so.

[Pyrpolizer]

OK it has been revealed that MH370 was detected by Vietnamese Primary Radar, no less than 3 Malaysian Primary Radars, as it was heading west towards Penang. Because the transponder was off, the aircraft was unidentified. The failure here is the fact that the RMAF did not scramble a jet to identify the aircraft.

OK, here is the most likely scenario based on circumstantial evidence!

There is no evidence of any catastrophic failure. The Transponder/ADS-B and ACARS were disabled. At some point the aircraft climbed to FL450, beyond its operating limit. Why? One theory is that the person in control of the aircraft wanted to kill all persons on board. So, maybe they disabled the pressurization warning system and then began to increase the Cabin's Pressure Altitude until fully depressurized. In about 9 to 15 seconds, all persons would be practically brain dead and in 2 minutes or shortly thereafter, all SOBs would be dead. The person in control would be wearing their oxygen mask. Afterall, if this was a suicide mission, then the passengers would need to be neutralized so that they can't attempt to storm the cockpit. So, the possibility is that all persons bar maybe 1 or perhaps 2 (probably just 1) were dead before the aircraft ditched due to fuel starvation.

Then, the aircraft descended to 12000FT before at some point climbing back up to the reported FL350 as the rogue aircraft adopted its final Southerly track which was far enough from the Australian coast and Indonesian Airspace for either country to be concerned with it. Also, the aircraft was flown to some of the deepest and inhospitable oceans in the world. It is practically impossible that the CVR and FDR will be found. The only items that will be retrieved is floating debris belonging to MH370. The debris could be as far as 1000nms from where MH370 entered the ocean. So the fact is, this crash could go down as one of the biggest aviation mysteries ever. Possibly the perfect crime.

Now of course I am not saying that is what happened because frankly I don't know. It is the most plausible explanation going around within the industry.

So who done it? There really is only very sketchy circumstantial evidence at best, but it could be one of the pilots and there was a Flight Engineer in board that would have all the technical knowledge to do all of the above as well. Other than this, a terrorist event can't be ruled out but the person responsible would have had to undergone quite extensive training.

So why would anyone do it? I can't answer that? A psychologist I am not but I put the above up because it is the most plausible scenario so far.

So it really is one very little step at a time. The only thing I believe that is achievable is to try and give the relatives some closure by finding, retrieving and identifying floating debris belonging to MH370. Therefore, the search is critically important and the efforts of 7 countries should be applauded. The next big step is locating the CVR and FDR. That I fear is practically impossible unless the Australians and Americans know something from JORN or their military satellites. If that is the case then just maybe, but I wouldn't think this to be in any way likely.

The only given is that the demise of MH370 was as a result of deliberate actions of someone on board. Now, obviously, your typical passenger would not be capable of all this. Pilots, engineers, or some really well trained suicide terrorist!

Very promising. Fiiiiinally you got of your shell Paphitis exploiting other possibilities. You still seem concentrated on some issues like for example the assessment that the plane headed south consistently, which of course is the official version but you will get over it in time when no actual evidence is produced

[Pyrpolizer]

Here’s a clue for you Paphitis. You don’t kill everyone on board to go commit suicide there after.
You kill them because you need the plane itself and possibly what it was carrying. Take it from here if you can

[Paphitis]

OK it has been revealed that MH370 was detected by Vietnamese Primary Radar, no less than 3 Malaysian Primary Radars, as it was heading west towards Penang. Because the transponder was off, the aircraft was unidentified. The failure here is the fact that the RMAF did not scramble a jet to identify the aircraft.

OK, here is the most likely scenario based on circumstantial evidence!

There is no evidence of any catastrophic failure. The Transponder/ADS-B and ACARS were disabled. At some point the aircraft climbed to FL450, beyond its operating limit. Why? One theory is that the person in control of the aircraft wanted to kill all persons on board. So, maybe they disabled the pressurization warning system and then began to increase the Cabin's Pressure Altitude until fully depressurized. In about 9 to 15 seconds, all persons would be practically brain dead and in 2 minutes or shortly thereafter, all SOBs would be dead. The person in control would be wearing their oxygen mask. Afterall, if this was a suicide mission, then the passengers would need to be neutralized so that they can't attempt to storm the cockpit. So, the possibility is that all persons bar maybe 1 or perhaps 2 (probably just 1) were dead before the aircraft ditched due to fuel starvation.

Then, the aircraft descended to 12000FT before at some point climbing back up to the reported FL350 as the rogue aircraft adopted its final Southerly track which was far enough from the Australian coast and Indonesian Airspace for either country to be concerned with it. Also, the aircraft was flown to some of the deepest and inhospitable oceans in the world. It is practically impossible that the CVR and FDR will be found. The only items that will be retrieved is floating debris belonging to MH370. The debris could be as far as 1000nms from where MH370 entered the ocean. So the fact is, this crash could go down as one of the biggest aviation mysteries ever. Possibly the perfect crime.

Now of course I am not saying that is what happened because frankly I don't know. It is the most plausible explanation going around within the industry.

So who done it? There really is only very sketchy circumstantial evidence at best, but it could be one of the pilots and there was a Flight Engineer in board that would have all the technical knowledge to do all of the above as well. Other than this, a terrorist event can't be ruled out but the person responsible would have had to undergone quite extensive training.

So why would anyone do it? I can't answer that? A psychologist I am not but I put the above up because it is the most plausible scenario so far.

So it really is one very little step at a time. The only thing I believe that is achievable is to try and give the relatives some closure by finding, retrieving and identifying floating debris belonging to MH370. Therefore, the search is critically important and the efforts of 7 countries should be applauded. The next big step is locating the CVR and FDR. That I fear is practically impossible unless the Australians and Americans know something from JORN or their military satellites. If that is the case then just maybe, but I wouldn't think this to be in any way likely.

The only given is that the demise of MH370 was as a result of deliberate actions of someone on board. Now, obviously, your typical passenger would not be capable of all this. Pilots, engineers, or some really well trained suicide terrorist!

Very promising. Fiiiiinally you got of your shell Paphitis exploiting other possibilities. You still seem concentrated on some issues like for example the assessment that the plane headed south consistently, which of course is the official version but you will get over it in time when no actual evidence is produced

Oh for crying out loud Pyro!

The above has been circling the globe amongst Pilots and Engineers for a very long time and these are the types of scenarios being investigated. It still has most of us very confused and everyone in the industry has the inner hope that it is incorrect or that the Pilot(s) are not involved because it cuts a bit too close.

It still does not change the fact that MH370 has crashed in a watery grave somewhere near (within a few hundred miles) of where the search is currently underway.

The shoot down theories were ruled out a long time ago. However, it did cross some minds but not as a deliberate action but a possible military fuck up (it has even happened before on 2 occasions) by either the Malaysians, Vietnamese, Chinese or Americans early on in the piece.

[Paphitis]

Here’s a clue for you Paphitis. You don’t kill everyone on board to go commit suicide there after.
You kill them because you need the plane itself and possibly what it was carrying. Take it from here if you can

Take it from me! The aircraft did not land because if it did we would all know where it is by now!

This is something everyone I know, finds laughable!

You find me an aerodrome capable of taking a B777 where this thing can land undetected.

I expect Google Earth images of the runway and possible flight paths!

[Pyrpolizer]

You could just imagine all the bullshit if an Inmarsat geek tries to explain all that hocus pocus stuff and quite naturally many of the relatives will just go bananas.

While thanking you for providing us the links from AMSA and their really professional presentations I would suggest you have a look at their latest press conference here.
https://s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com ... ence+3.mp4

What you call hocus pocus stuff is everywhere in this conference.
Inmarsat already explained their own hocus pocus publicly.
Releasing their NUMBERS would not be any more than hocus pocus that what they already released.
Those numbers would not be used by the everyday man in the street.And they will not be hocus pocus for anyone. Just numbers.
And who said anything about Inmarsat having to explain scientifically their findings in public or to the relatives??
All we are asking is to disclose their numbers publicly to be used by people who understand.