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[Paphitis]

(Just to sum up for my own benefit.)

The failure to find debris means, either:

1. Nobody really knows where the plane *landed* (stupidity).
2. They know, but don't want to find any give-away signs too soon (cover-up).

- Even if or when they do find debris, will we ever be told the truth as to whether it was hijacked/shot down or subject to forces beyond our control?

Just for your benefit and once again please see AMSA update 27. It clearly states that debris have been recovered but still remain unidentified.

There is no denial that they do not belong to MH370 at all.

Also, quite bloody disgusted that you would subscribe to such a stupid media scrum when for days the best Air Crash Investigators, Aircraft Performance Analysts, Satellite Firms (commercial and military), Boeing and in particular military personnel from 6 countries are working hard, overhead inhospitable seas to resolve this.

It's not at all easy but people like you might have unrealistic expectations from behind their PC!

[Paphitis]

Now answering your question
Now where do you think MH370 is?
"Is" means it exists either as parts or as a whole. I have my doubts for each one.

My only means to guess is information from the internet, some basic logic, and the sort of sense most humans have that something ain't right. At this stage the only thing that it can convince me is the finding of the fuselage plus human bodies and objects within it.Plus the Black box.
Anything else will be inconclusive.
I am sure the truth is somewhere on the internet and someone already spotted it.
It remains to be seen if we will ever be able to double cross it with real evidence.

Mate get over it. If they find debris in the Indian Ocean and confirm it as belonging to MH370 then that is conclusive evidence that MH370 crashed in the Indian Ocean somewhere.

If Australia at any stage picked up the aircraft on its JORN Surveillance system then that is additional evidence if they release such data.

That's a big IF. ...
And I see you losing your sleep IF NOT

I have complete confidence that AMSA has recovered some debris and I anticipate that they will retrieve more today, weather permitting!

[Paphitis]

Yes, but there's a lot of unidentified debris floating around.

Some has been retrieved as per the AMSA update and apparently there are lots of objects around, something like a few hundred objects have been spotted within a debris field spanning hundreds of miles.

They will be picking up debris for many months and AMSA has confirmed that Military Satellites have been tasked.

[Paphitis]

And considering there are 100s of specialists out there ready to provide their time and skill for more elaborate calculations why don't they do as Professor Jayson said?

Copy paste from previous posts:

Who owns the MH370 data? Why isn’t it Creative Commons or copyleft? Is it right that the data be horded by MAS or the other dozen or so entities involved, with tiny fragments of it sporadically spoon fed to the public? Why aren’t the families' lawyers asking judges for subpoenas of all flight data? I

Yes it is correct that MAS, AMSA and any other entity withhold any information to allow investigators the opportunity to do their job without too much media interference.

Look back at Helios. Did the authorities reveal any sensitive information about aircraft maintenance or the conduct of the Helios Firm? No!

[Paphitis]

Oh yes, not me you.
You have zero evidence, not it's you who has zero evidence.
How more childish can you be?

I have all the evidence I need to understand that MH370 is in the Indian Ocean approximately where the search is currently underway.

As to physical evidence, I am certain the authorities have loads of it.

You really are not making any sense!

Now where do you think MH370 is?

And why are you so much against the search effort and investigation?

Flight MH370: Chinese and Australian ships draw blank

A Chinese and an Australian ship have failed to identify remains from the missing Malaysia Airlines flight after their first day in a new search area.

The two ships retrieved objects from the Indian Ocean but none was confirmed to be from missing flight MH370, Australia's maritime authority said.

Chinese aircraft also flew over the area, north-east of the previous zone, and have spotted more objects.

The airliner disappeared on 8 March with 239 people on board.

Chinese patrol ship Haixun 01 and Australia's HMAS Success "reported they have retrieved a number of objects from the ocean but so far no objects confirmed to be related to MH370 have been recovered", the Australian Maritime Safety Authority (Amsa) said late on Saturday.

It doesn't look like the Australian and Chinese Ships have drawn a blank at all!

Read update 27!

https://www.amsa.gov.au/media/index.asp

I would sooner read the official AMSA website than any media outlet!

[kurupetos]

The following could be the missing truth...

Role Of Israel & Soros Exposed
By MH370 Twin Jet In Tel Aviv

BANGKOK - It is by no mere coincidence, when telltale evidence of a Mossad role in the MH370 hijack was starting to snowball, that Israel's embassies and consulates were suddenly shut down due to a "strike by diplomatic staff". This fork-tongued alibi was obviously meant to prevent law enforcement agencies across Asia and the Western world from questioning Israeli intelligence agents and military attaches about the whereabouts and fate of the hundreds of passengers.

The Jewish state's diplomatic corps has retreated further into a tortoise shell, perhaps because of the hammer blow from investigative journalist Christopher Bollyn, who previously exposed Israel's hand behind the 911 attacks. Based on eyewitness reports from a network of plane watchers in Europe and in Israel, Bollyn reports that an identical production model of the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 is being kept out of regular service inside a hangar at Tel Aviv Airport.

Seattle-based Boeing assembles aircraft in pairs as its standard practice, but the question is how one jet was leased by Malaysia's national carrier while the matching plane was secretly turned over to the Israeli government without a purchase order from state-run El Al airlines.

http://rense.com/general96/role.html

[Paphitis]

And another.
I am sure some parts could be quite interesting to Kikapu

Any newly presumed disappearing point will quite accurately shift the presumed results (which are far from being accurate by themselves) by the same shift. That is because the small change in angle to the satellite will create smaller differences than possible shifts in speed or distances.
It doesn't make sense to me, that if there were disappearance attempts, the plane would go over Malaysian land after it disappeared, and westerly direction is the most likely it went in, at least, for going around land before it turns back to the south (if it did).
Since last spotted until the next ping there could be enough time to shift the reference point between 0 and 1000 Km, so if we presume a 500 KM westerly shift, and the previously estimated (in a response above) 1,000 Km of potential total westerly shift, the estimated northern corridor given by Inmarsat would pivot by 10-15 degrees on the newly presumed location where the first ping after the disappearance occurs
In numbers, the last position was tracked at 02:15. The last hourly ping occurred at 08:11, meaning, Inmarsat got the first ping after last known position at 03:11. That is, almost an hour after disappearing, a fact that could position the plane 900 Km to the west when it pinged. That is half way to the tip of India. If we position the corridor at this point, the estimated rout could go over the Himalaya to Afghanistan and with the possible 1000 Km possible shift due to increased speed, it would be Iran.
Another scenario is that If the plane continued further west for another ping, it would reach a point of turning north, west of India, before the 3rd ping. superposition the the northern corridor at this turning point, will lead the plane to the Gulf of Iran.
Now, the 777 is a very long range plane and some versions of it can fly 16 hours! I did not study this specific Malaysian plane and there are no details of its fuel content. I believe the plane should be able to fly more than 8 hours because to destination it need to fly 6 hours and in case of a problem it should be able to reach an alternative airport, or fly over for some time.
So, the fact that it stopped pinging after 7 hours implies that it reach "destination" rather than burned all its fuel.
Landing spot can be anywhere between the Gobi desert and the Arabian Desert, including all the mountain range of the Mammalia, then of course the Australian desert, north to Perth

Yes well I can search the net for thousands of people providing their opinions but fortunately, the aircraft's Westerly over Malaysia and it's Northwesterly track over the Malacca Straight, were all captured by Primary Radar.

[Paphitis]

The following could be the missing truth...

Role Of Israel & Soros Exposed
By MH370 Twin Jet In Tel Aviv

BANGKOK - It is by no mere coincidence, when telltale evidence of a Mossad role in the MH370 hijack was starting to snowball, that Israel's embassies and consulates were suddenly shut down due to a "strike by diplomatic staff". This fork-tongued alibi was obviously meant to prevent law enforcement agencies across Asia and the Western world from questioning Israeli intelligence agents and military attaches about the whereabouts and fate of the hundreds of passengers.

The Jewish state's diplomatic corps has retreated further into a tortoise shell, perhaps because of the hammer blow from investigative journalist Christopher Bollyn, who previously exposed Israel's hand behind the 911 attacks. Based on eyewitness reports from a network of plane watchers in Europe and in Israel, Bollyn reports that an identical production model of the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 is being kept out of regular service inside a hangar at Tel Aviv Airport.

Seattle-based Boeing assembles aircraft in pairs as its standard practice, but the question is how one jet was leased by Malaysia's national carrier while the matching plane was secretly turned over to the Israeli government without a purchase order from state-run El Al airlines.

http://rense.com/general96/role.html

Piss of you fruit loop!

You people need to be locked up! Where do you all come up with this crap?

And I am terrible sorry but most of you couldn't give a stuff about the souls on board or their families. That much is very clear!

[Oceanside50]

many pieces recovered but still no definitive link to MH370.

http://www.aol.com/article/2014/03/29/o ... d%3D458967

[Paphitis]

many pieces recovered but still no definitive link to MH370.

http://www.aol.com/article/2014/03/29/o ... d%3D458967

The RNZAF released the below photo about 2 days ago. Now to me, it looks like a Lift Dumper, but unless the object has some markings on it they can't confirm it as being a Lift Dumper until it is scrutinized by Engineers who are able to confirm the part.

Also, things like this have a Serial Number and these are recorded withing the aircraft's hefty Maintenance Manuals. Engineers will be able to cross check this with the aircraft's part number catalog and determine if it belongs to MH370.

They will not make definitive statements without due process and until things are verified 100% they are just going to continue retrieving debris from the water until they come across a definitive piece of debris or until the objects they have retrieved are properly analyzed by Engineers and Investigators.

It is possible that the object spotted by the RNZAF is a piece of flotsam so they will not take any chances. But it certainly looks like a Lift Dumper to me so things are getting very interesting.