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[Pyrpolizer]

(Just to sum up for my own benefit.)

The failure to find debris means, either:

1. Nobody really knows where the plane *landed* (stupidity).
2. They know, but don't want to find any give-away signs too soon (cover-up).

- Even if or when they do find debris, will we ever be told the truth as to whether it was hijacked/shot down or subject to forces beyond our control?

Nope!

[Pyrpolizer]

Now answering your question
Now where do you think MH370 is?
"Is" means it exists either as parts or as a whole. I have my doubts for each one.

My only means to guess is information from the internet, some basic logic, and the sort of sense most humans have that something ain't right. At this stage the only thing that it can convince me is the finding of the fuselage plus human bodies and objects within it.Plus the Black box.
Anything else will be inconclusive.
I am sure the truth is somewhere on the internet and someone already spotted it.
It remains to be seen if we will ever be able to double cross it with real evidence.

Mate get over it. If they find debris in the Indian Ocean and confirm it as belonging to MH370 then that is conclusive evidence that MH370 crashed in the Indian Ocean somewhere.

If Australia at any stage picked up the aircraft on its JORN Surveillance system then that is additional evidence if they release such data.

That's a big IF. ...
And I see you losing your sleep IF NOT

[yialousa1971]

Oh yes, not me you.
You have zero evidence, not it's you who has zero evidence.
How more childish can you be?

I have all the evidence I need to understand that MH370 is in the Indian Ocean approximately where the search is currently underway.

As to physical evidence, I am certain the authorities have loads of it.

You really are not making any sense!

Now where do you think MH370 is?

And why are you so much against the search effort and investigation?

Flight MH370: Chinese and Australian ships draw blank

A Chinese and an Australian ship have failed to identify remains from the missing Malaysia Airlines flight after their first day in a new search area.

The two ships retrieved objects from the Indian Ocean but none was confirmed to be from missing flight MH370, Australia's maritime authority said.

Chinese aircraft also flew over the area, north-east of the previous zone, and have spotted more objects.

The airliner disappeared on 8 March with 239 people on board.

Chinese patrol ship Haixun 01 and Australia's HMAS Success "reported they have retrieved a number of objects from the ocean but so far no objects confirmed to be related to MH370 have been recovered", the Australian Maritime Safety Authority (Amsa) said late on Saturday.

[yialousa1971]

(Just to sum up for my own benefit.)

The failure to find debris means, either:

1. Nobody really knows where the plane *landed* (stupidity).
2. They know, but don't want to find any give-away signs too soon (cover-up).

- Even if or when they do find debris, will we ever be told the truth as to whether it was hijacked/shot down or subject to forces beyond our control?

Maybe Bill C the Goblin should be questioned?

[bill cobbett]

Fick off you Fascist Freak... this is an exceptionally serious thread.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Yes, but there's a lot of unidentified debris floating around.

[Pyrpolizer]

It's his Jurkish Army

[Pyrpolizer]

this is a copy paste from elsewhere.
I do hope there is at least one person in CF who understands what this guy says. Because he is absolutely right.

No need to seek factors such as those. The InMarSat readings could just as easily be produced by an aircraft flying in a circle, flying a zig-zag route, or flying a straight route angled differently than they currently think. At best you could do a relative likelihood calculation for each possibility with a broad set of assumptions - but they haven't done that, they've assumed what they want to believe.

[Pyrpolizer]

And another.
I am sure some parts could be quite interesting to Kikapu

Any newly presumed disappearing point will quite accurately shift the presumed results (which are far from being accurate by themselves) by the same shift. That is because the small change in angle to the satellite will create smaller differences than possible shifts in speed or distances.
It doesn't make sense to me, that if there were disappearance attempts, the plane would go over Malaysian land after it disappeared, and westerly direction is the most likely it went in, at least, for going around land before it turns back to the south (if it did).
Since last spotted until the next ping there could be enough time to shift the reference point between 0 and 1000 Km, so if we presume a 500 KM westerly shift, and the previously estimated (in a response above) 1,000 Km of potential total westerly shift, the estimated northern corridor given by Inmarsat would pivot by 10-15 degrees on the newly presumed location where the first ping after the disappearance occurs
In numbers, the last position was tracked at 02:15. The last hourly ping occurred at 08:11, meaning, Inmarsat got the first ping after last known position at 03:11. That is, almost an hour after disappearing, a fact that could position the plane 900 Km to the west when it pinged. That is half way to the tip of India. If we position the corridor at this point, the estimated rout could go over the Himalaya to Afghanistan and with the possible 1000 Km possible shift due to increased speed, it would be Iran.
Another scenario is that If the plane continued further west for another ping, it would reach a point of turning north, west of India, before the 3rd ping. superposition the the northern corridor at this turning point, will lead the plane to the Gulf of Iran.
Now, the 777 is a very long range plane and some versions of it can fly 16 hours! I did not study this specific Malaysian plane and there are no details of its fuel content. I believe the plane should be able to fly more than 8 hours because to destination it need to fly 6 hours and in case of a problem it should be able to reach an alternative airport, or fly over for some time.
So, the fact that it stopped pinging after 7 hours implies that it reach "destination" rather than burned all its fuel.
Landing spot can be anywhere between the Gobi desert and the Arabian Desert, including all the mountain range of the Mammalia, then of course the Australian desert, north to Perth

[Pyrpolizer]

And considering there are 100s of specialists out there ready to provide their time and skill for more elaborate calculations why don't they do as Professor Jayson said?

Copy paste from previous posts:

Who owns the MH370 data? Why isn’t it Creative Commons or copyleft? Is it right that the data be horded by MAS or the other dozen or so entities involved, with tiny fragments of it sporadically spoon fed to the public? Why aren’t the families' lawyers asking judges for subpoenas of all flight data? I