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[Paphitis]

And here;s an article from a more influencial newspaper THE TIMES

http://time.com/36496/china-demands-mal ... -on-plane/

China Demands Malaysia Turn Over Satellite Data

AP / Eileen Ng and Scott McDonald.

Only in your dreams mate! Videos even depict the Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister of Chine meeting with Malaysian prime Minister and it appeared very cordial and respectful!

The Malaysians are easily offended culturally, so there is no way the Chinese would have DEMANDED. They asked, but that does not stop people like you or the Times coming up with total crap because it sells more papers.

So what is your agenda? To drive a rift between the Chinese on one hand and the Australians and Malaysians on the other? It's not gonna happen mate!

Are you going to discredit THE TIMES now?

No I am discrediting the CHINESE DEMAND thesis which just simply did not occur.

Next you are going to tell us that their warships are going to attack Australian warships in the area so that they can take the wreckage to China for analysis.

[Paphitis]

Oh yes you can assure me.

The only thing you cannot understand- and I don't really blame you for that- is that they asked Boeing to give them the frequency and other characteristics of the transmitter. And Boeing gave it to them. They did not ask neither checked not verified their data, or their methods or anything.

And do go read what Inmarsat does. Pinging up a few aeroplanes Engines data here and there is a miniscule part of their activities. Boeing is their most valuable client you are just seeing thing LOL

It's not Boeing's core business to analyse that kind of data. They contract Inmarsat for that stuff.

The only thing required of Boeing is to provide the performance data, which they did, and at the same time I don't here Boeing Corporation objecting or protesting against the Inmarsat findings.

You are the one who said they gave them to Beoeing and Boeing agreed. Not me.
In fact if I remember well you said they gave them to Airbus and Airbus agreed too

That is naturally the case. If you here no objections from Boeing then there is no issue at all!

The data was provided to Boeing because they have a contract in place that has the ultimate rights to that information since it pertains to one of their manufactured aircraft.

[Paphitis]

Search operation for Malaysia Airlines aircraft: Update 25

Five aircraft spotted multiple objects of various colours during Friday’s search for the missing Malaysian
Airlines flight MH370.

Search activities have now concluded. A total of 256,000 square kilometres was searched.

Photographic imagery of the objects was captured and will be assessed overnight.

The objects cannot be verified or discounted as being from MH370 until they are relocated and
recovered by ships.

A Royal New Zealand Air Force (RNZAF) P3 Orion reported sighting a number of objects white or light in
colour and a fishing buoy.

A Royal Australian Air Force P3 Orion relocated the objects detected by the RNZAF Orion and reported
it had seen two blue/grey rectangular objects floating in the ocean.

A second RAAF P3 Orion spotted various objects of various colours in a separate part of the search area
about 546 kilometres away.

A total of ten planes were tasked by AMSA in today’s search and all have now departed the search area.

AMSA has tasked Chinese Maritime Administration patrol ship, Haixun 01, which is in the search area
and will be in a position to relocate the objects on Saturday.

Friday’s search area was shifted north after international air crash investigators in Malaysia provided the
latest credible lead available to AMSA.

This was on the advice of the Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB).

Weather conditions in the area are expected to be reasonable for searching on Saturday.

E: [email protected]

https://www.amsa.gov.au/media/documents ... date25.pdf

[Paphitis]

Search operation for Malaysia Airlines aircraft: Update 26

*All times are expressed in Australian Eastern Daylight Saving Time (AEDT). Please note all times
are approximate.
Friday’s search area for the missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 was shifted north after
international air crash investigators in Malaysia updated their previous analysis of the likely aircraft
movements.
The Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) assessed this update as credible, and advised
AMSA of the new basis for a revised search area.
AMSA then applied the effects of weather and currents to develop today’s search area.
Five aircraft spotted multiple objects of various colours during Friday’s search.
The objects cannot be verified or discounted as being from MH370 until they are relocated and
recovered by ships. It is not known how much flotsam, such as from fishing activities, is ordinarily
there. At least one distinctive fishing object has been identified.
Today’s weather is expected initially to be suitable for searching but conditions are expected to
deteriorate later in the day.
The Chinese Maritime Safety Administration ship Haixun 01 has been on scene for relocating
objects from first light.
Search activities today will involve a total of 8 aircraft.
They include three Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) P3 Orions, a Japanese Coast Guard jet, a
Japanese P3 Orion, a Royal New Zealand Air Force (RNZAF) P3 Orion, a Chinese People’s
Liberation Army Air Force Ilyushin IL-76, and one civil jet acting as a communications relay.
The first aircraft to depart was the Chinese Ilyushin IL-76, which departed at 9:05am.
The first RAAF P3 Orion departed at 9:50am, with two others scheduled to depart about 12pm and
2pm.
The civil jet is scheduled to depart about 1pm.
The Japan Coast Guard jet is scheduled to depart about 2pm.
The Royal New Zealand Air Force (RNZAF) P3 Orion is scheduled to depart about 3pm.
The Japanese P3 Orion is scheduled to depart about 4pm
Six ships are expected to reach the search area today, tasked with relocating the objects sighted,
but will arrive late in the day or after dark.

https://www.amsa.gov.au/media/documents ... date26.pdf

[Paphitis]

OK people, for truly credible sources about MH370 I urge you all to head to this website first and to treat international media with a grain salt because they are reporting a lot of nonsense and politicizing this tragic event at the detriment to the victims and their families.

https://www.amsa.gov.au/media/index.asp

Here you will get no nonsense updates about the search activities from the Australian Maritime Safety Authority!

[Kikapu]

As to your next question, there are a number of factors that effect your Fuel Burn. One of these factors is speed. There are typically 5 normal configurations in the cruise. M0.76, 0.78, 0.80, 0.82, and 0.84. Best Endurance is at 0.74 and max operating is 0.90.

I don't know what speed he was flying but anything more than 0.80 would increase Fuel Burn and reduce range.

At 0.84 at 36000, the burn is 3500 kg/eng. At 0.78, the burn is about 10% less for a small speed penalty.

Another factor that increases Fuel Burn is Drag. When you increase your speed you also increase Lift and because of this you also increased Induced Drag which is a coefficient of Lift. You also increase Form and Parasite Drag, therefore increased Fuel Burn.

How about fuel burn rate at very high speed at very low elevation?

Even worse. MH370 had altitude in its favour if it was at 35000FT.

That's what worries me as to the reason why they are now looking for a new crash site almost 700 miles further north. That would be close to 20% more fuel used, hence almost 20% less distance covered from the normal flight to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur. It adds some more suspicion that the plane flew low and fast for a long time (in theory).

I don't have time to write more at this time since we are off for a week of a little R&R in Asia.

[GreekIslandGirl]

I see all the certainty they dished out on the second lot of debris has been wiped out!

And now we are told there is even more, new, explicit certainty (degrees of certainty, I guess) that the newly spotted lot of floating debris is in fact .... really truly this time .... so sure right now .... it's just gotta be ... from that darn plane!

Right?

[Pyrpolizer]

As long as nothing has yet been pulled out of the ocean, let aside been identified, the plane could be anywhere in the world.

Now here is a very useful site
http://www.flightradar24.com/
You can watch any flight’s path online and they do have a database for old flights as well.
The video application doesn’t work on my Internet Explorer but does work on my Firefox 28.0

There is nothing in this database for flight MH370
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/fligh ... rlines-mas

Out of curiosity though I checked the flight path of this flight MH805
Here it is nice and easy. Just press the button showing a plane figure to start the video.
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/fligh ... 5/#2fe66a5

The question is, was there a flight path database in there in the past? Why did they delete it?
It turns out that yes in fact there was one.

Watch out this video that someone has recorded



The first part can be explained because presumably the transponders were turned off.
But what about the second part that it showed it actually getting disappeared above Vietnam?
Notice once again FlightRadar gets it’s information live from the ground, they don’t make it up by themselves.
This time it made it across Vietnam then was tailed by another plane before disappearing off the screen. So if the original point of disappearance is changed so would all further calculations /guesses presented so far.

[Paphitis]

Resorting to flightradar 24 now!

Did you know that it does not track all aircraft but only those fitted with ADS-B?

[Paphitis]

I see all the certainty they dished out on the second lot of debris has been wiped out!

And now we are told there is even more, new, explicit certainty (degrees of certainty, I guess) that the newly spotted lot of floating debris is in fact .... really truly this time .... so sure right now .... it's just gotta be ... from that darn plane!

Right?

There is debris all over the place but the ships are sometimes more than 24 hours away from where they spot it. The distances are vast and the ocean in that area very inhospitable, so there are many challenges but the debris is there. It has been seen and photographed and it s only a matter of time before some is retrieved if not already.

They can't just come out and make statements because sadly there are many who want to turn this into a circus!