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[Paphitis]

Oh look someone from one of the most credible Greek newspapers says "Paphian nonsense" again. Article dated 27/3/14

Quote:
…along the South Indian Ocean theoretically approaching the airspace of the U.S. base of Diego Garcia, the most likely scenario is tragic: it is quite possible to have been shot down by U.S. fighter jets! The military logic allows no hesitations in such cases!
It is impossible however, for a passenger plane to fly off course for six hours and not been framed by US or other warplanes to see what happens. And force it to land where they indicate, or disolve it ruthlessly if it refuses to comply.

http://www.ethnos.gr/article.asp?catid= ... d=63979842

Could this be the reason why the Malaysian PM went on to declare the plane crashed and everybody dead, before a single piece of debris was collected and verified. Because he was explained and assured of the "crime"?

I want to know what had happened to that one piece of debris that was 12m x 24m (40ft x 78ft) that the Australian satellites spotted few days ago. Are they still tracking it or have they actually seen it up and close with human eyes yet? I mean, that's almost a half a plane right there, so where is it?

Perhaps it finally sank after floating for two weeks!

No one really knows but some debris was actually spotted by Australian and Chinese aircraft and they did spot some large objects of rectangular shape. The Australian Orion even marked the area but unfortunately the search was suspended and HMAS Success had to leave the area.

[Paphitis]

Could this be the reason why the Malaysian PM went on to declare the plane crashed and everybody dead, before a single piece of debris was collected and verified. Because he was explained and assured of the "crime"?

I don't know why they didn't do that just a few hours after it was due in Beijing. They were only carrying about 2 hours of reserve fuel.

It is quite obvious that if the aircraft did not arrive and land at any aerodrome, then it had crashed.

They were actually giving the relatives false hope. I suppose you could declare it missing but the reality is you're just fucking with the mental state of some of the families. The first reaction is always denial, particularly among the Chinese. Some still expected their loved one to walk through the door but it just doesn't work that way.

[Kikapu]

Does anyone get the idea that they are pissing with the people.

Planes race to fresh MH370 search zone after 'credible new lead'

By Greg Wood (AFP) – 2 hours ago

Perth — A multinational fleet of planes and ships raced Friday to a fresh search zone after a "credible new lead" that Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 was flying faster than first thought before it plunged into the remote Indian Ocean.
Ten aircraft from six countries -- Australia, China, Japan, New Zealand, South Korea and the United States -- diverted to an area 1,100 kilometres (685 miles) northeast of where they have been looking for a week, far off western Australia.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... 4e9e006abd

[Paphitis]

No not at all!

There is no reason or motive for them "pissing on people"!

Also if the Yanks did shoot it down, MH370 was still thousands of miles from its flight course so a very easy action to defend in front of international public opinion.

A lot of people are working hard to provide the physical evidence for some to have closure once and for all.

There is a USN Ship on the scene which specializes in finding the Black Box. As a result they are interested in the actual spot of the crash and not where the debris has drifted to or has been detected by Satellites.

I wouldn't listen to the media too much because day after day they just come up with total rubbish.

[Paphitis]

OK we have some good developments which are very encouraging.

An Australian Orion has spotted debris but has left the area and is currently on its way to RAAF Pearce. They do not admit that it is part of MH370 but officials say that ships will be in the area by first thing in the morning.

Also, HMAS Toowoomba is joining the search plus a Seahawk Chopper. The helicopter allows them the ability to airlift debris from the ocean.

[Paphitis]

Apologies, the aircraft involved was from the RNZAF. This is very hot if the press.

AMSA is waiting for the images from that aircraft.

Multiple objects are said to have been detected.

[Kikapu]

No not at all!

There is no reason or motive for them "pissing on people"!

Also if the Yanks did shoot it down, MH370 was still thousands of miles from its flight course so a very easy action to defend in front of international public opinion.

A lot of people are working hard to provide the physical evidence for some to have closure once and for all.

There is a USN Ship on the scene which specializes in finding the Black Box. As a result they are interested in the actual spot of the crash and not where the debris has drifted to or has been detected by Satellites.

I wouldn't listen to the media too much because day after day they just come up with total rubbish.

Paphitis, when you made the following statement in your previous post, it made a good point, but then again, the Russians shot down the South Korean 747 jetliner few years back in the same fashion, therefore, we cannot take it as given, that a jetliner at 35,000 at full speed will not be shot down.

Secondly, they would not shoot it down unless the aircraft posed a threat and being at 35000FT does not pose an immediate threat!

But now comes an interesting statement about the MH370 flying "too fast" which caused the plane to use too much fuel, therefore the plane crashed 685 miles short of where they have been looking for the last week or so. But the plane could not have been flying that much faster at 35,000 ft to have used up too much fuel than normal, but the plane could have used a hell of a lot more fuel flying very low altitude at 500 mph in trying to avoid detection, and who is to say the plane did not fly very low at very high speed close to the U.S. base of Diego Garcia? Could this cause the Americans to have shot the plane down when no one responded from the flight deck as to what their intentions were? Therefore, your assumption of MH370 flying at 35,00ft once contact was lost has become very questionable now, wouldn't you agree?

[Paphitis]

No not at all!

There is no reason or motive for them "pissing on people"!

Also if the Yanks did shoot it down, MH370 was still thousands of miles from its flight course so a very easy action to defend in front of international public opinion.

A lot of people are working hard to provide the physical evidence for some to have closure once and for all.

There is a USN Ship on the scene which specializes in finding the Black Box. As a result they are interested in the actual spot of the crash and not where the debris has drifted to or has been detected by Satellites.

I wouldn't listen to the media too much because day after day they just come up with total rubbish.

Paphitis, when you made the following statement in your previous post, it made a good point, but then again, the Russians shot down the South Korean 747 jetliner few years back in the same fashion, therefore, we cannot take it as given, that a jetliner at 35,000 at full speed will not be shot down.

Secondly, they would not shoot it down unless the aircraft posed a threat and being at 35000FT does not pose an immediate threat!

But now comes an interesting statement about the MH370 flying "too fast" which caused the plane to use too much fuel, therefore the plane crashed 685 miles short of where they have been looking for the last week or so. But the plane could not have been flying that much faster at 35,000 ft to have used up too much fuel than normal, but the plane could have used a hell of a lot more fuel flying very low altitude at 500 mph in trying to avoid detection, and who is to say the plane did not fly very low at very high speed close to the U.S. base of Diego Garcia? Could this cause the Americans to have shot the plane down when no one responded from the flight deck as to what their intentions were? Therefore, your assumption of MH370 flying at 35,00ft once contact was lost has become very questionable now, wouldn't you agree?

Kikapu,

If the Americans shot it down it would have been a deliberate action and they would just come out and say that they had to shoot it down because MH370 was hijacked and not responding to calls. Very difficult to argue against that although some non serious sections of society would be outraged.

However, that is not reason enough in reality because at 35000FT they would not be so trigger happy. It's not something any country will take lightly.

There is no evidence whatsoever that MH370 was shot down and it is not a possibility that is entertained by any country. Would have been convenient for the Americans to blame North Korea or Al Qaeda terrorists but they are not considering that either.

As to your next question, there are a number of factors that effect your Fuel Burn. One of these factors is speed. There are typically 5 normal configurations in the cruise. M0.76, 0.78, 0.80, 0.82, and 0.84. Best Endurance is at 0.74 and max operating is 0.90.

I don't know what speed he was flying but anything more than 0.80 would increase Fuel Burn and reduce range.

At 0.84 at 36000, the burn is 3500 kg/eng. At 0.78, the burn is about 10% less for a small speed penalty.

Another factor that increases Fuel Burn is Drag. When you increase your speed you also increase Lift and because of this you also increased Induced Drag which is a coefficient of Lift. You also increase Form and Parasite Drag, therefore increased Fuel Burn.

[Kikapu]

No not at all!

There is no reason or motive for them "pissing on people"!

Also if the Yanks did shoot it down, MH370 was still thousands of miles from its flight course so a very easy action to defend in front of international public opinion.

A lot of people are working hard to provide the physical evidence for some to have closure once and for all.

There is a USN Ship on the scene which specializes in finding the Black Box. As a result they are interested in the actual spot of the crash and not where the debris has drifted to or has been detected by Satellites.

I wouldn't listen to the media too much because day after day they just come up with total rubbish.

Paphitis, when you made the following statement in your previous post, it made a good point, but then again, the Russians shot down the South Korean 747 jetliner few years back in the same fashion, therefore, we cannot take it as given, that a jetliner at 35,000 at full speed will not be shot down.

Secondly, they would not shoot it down unless the aircraft posed a threat and being at 35000FT does not pose an immediate threat!

But now comes an interesting statement about the MH370 flying "too fast" which caused the plane to use too much fuel, therefore the plane crashed 685 miles short of where they have been looking for the last week or so. But the plane could not have been flying that much faster at 35,000 ft to have used up too much fuel than normal, but the plane could have used a hell of a lot more fuel flying very low altitude at 500 mph in trying to avoid detection, and who is to say the plane did not fly very low at very high speed close to the U.S. base of Diego Garcia? Could this cause the Americans to have shot the plane down when no one responded from the flight deck as to what their intentions were? Therefore, your assumption of MH370 flying at 35,00ft once contact was lost has become very questionable now, wouldn't you agree?

Kikapu,

If the Americans shot it down it would have been a deliberate action and they would just come out and say that they had to shoot it down because MH370 was hijacked and not responding to calls. Very difficult to argue against that although some non serious sections of society would be outraged.

However, that is not reason enough in reality because at 35000FT they would not be so trigger happy. It's not something any country will take lightly.

There is no evidence whatsoever that MH370 was shot down and it is not a possibility that is entertained by any country. Would have been convenient for the Americans to blame North Korea or Al Qaeda terrorists but they are not considering that either.

As to your next question, there are a number of factors that effect your Fuel Burn. One of these factors is speed. There are typically 5 normal configurations in the cruise. M0.76, 0.78, 0.80, 0.82, and 0.84. Best Endurance is at 0.74 and max operating is 0.90.

I don't know what speed he was flying but anything more than 0.80 would increase Fuel Burn and reduce range.

At 0.84 at 36000, the burn is 3500 kg/eng. At 0.78, the burn is about 10% less for a small speed penalty.

Another factor that increases Fuel Burn is Drag. When you increase your speed you also increase Lift and because of this you also increased Induced Drag which is a coefficient of Lift. You also increase Form and Parasite Drag, therefore increased Fuel Burn.

How about fuel burn rate at very high speed at very low elevation?

[Paphitis]

Just Google Drag Curve and Thrust Required V's Airspeed and Drag.

It will explain the relationship between Speed and Drag and explain Thrust Required.