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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Thu May 29, 2014 12:36 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
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repulsewarrior wrote:...weren't there satellite transmissions of the search area released today?


Yes they certainly were.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/mh370-searc ... zrq9a.html


So, the MH370 search is not going to be as costly to the Aussies as we were led to believe few weeks ago by our good friend, Paphitis. :wink:

Australia has committed up to $US90 million ($97 million) towards the search operation over two years.


Kikapu,

yhe Australians are spending $90 million on the search moving forward from now. That is how much has been allocated in the budget for the next financial year.

It does not include what has already been spent which is about $40 to $50 million up until now.

It also does not include what other countries have spent such as China, US, UK, Japan, NZ and South Korea. If you include all of that, then the figure is closer to $100 million.


Well, most of the equipment used in the search of MH370 had been military equipment and hardware, regardless which countries were involved, which most of the cost would have occurred anyway regardless where they were used, since the Orions specially are on a constant submarine lookout according to you. The MH370 was just added to their list of things to do while out there. The so called allocated funds for the future so called search of the MH370 will too be spent on military equipment doing what they do at any given day.


Not necessarily. Resources which are allocated to this unforeseen event means that other resources are allocated to all the other duties such as Border Security which the Orions are very active. The money spent on the search is not allocated from the Defence Budget and the Minister of Defence made that very clear.

As for being on a constant Submarine Lookout, they are not as active as they once were during the Cold War. But when they are out, they are looking for Subs, that is true. Even Australian Subs. The Orion is a very versatile platform, and pilots that fly them do about 1000 hours per annum.

There are a number of Defence procurement projects under way. They signed a $16 Billion Dollar deal and ordered 100 F-35s, the Air Warfare Destroyers are about to be commissioned as well as the Canberra Class Carriers. They are also looking at the F-18F Hornet replacement which replaced the F111s and the US is offering the F-22. The Orion Replacement is the P-8A Poseidon.

Kikapu wrote:It is a little slap in the face for the Aussies, since they took the initiative to try and find the MH370 in their own "backyard", because they made everyone believe that's where the plane had crashed with so called sightings of debris by satellites and so called Black Box ping signals, despite all pings coming from different locations, but it did not stop the Aussie PM declaring to the world that they had found the Black Boxes because of those pings. Perhaps they should have used more common sense in their pursuit to be proven right. Perhaps they should have read some of the objective comment written here on the Cyprus Forum.


Australia took the initiative because the area is within Australia's SAR zone. They had no choice and if they did not take the initiative, then they would be accused by many countries of not upholding their international treaty obligations.

It was Inmarsat that stated MH370 crashed in the Indian Ocean and the data they used to come to that conclusion is very valid. It was the only set of the data that the IIT and JACC had to go go by other than the confirmed Primary Returns in Thai Airspace. The aircraft flew for 6 to 7 hours without ACARS, ADS-B or a Transponder and that is unprecedented.

The search continues on as the embark on the next phase. They did say they were preparing for this many weeks ago before ADV Ocean Shield went to port.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu May 29, 2014 11:02 pm

http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2014 ... rsat-data/

All I had to do was just have a look at the accuracy of their timings.
Are they to the nanosecond? 0.000 000 000 secs? NO!
Are they to the microsecond at least? 0.000 000 secs? NO
Are they to the millisecond 0.000 secs? YES.

So what does this mean? It means that their measurements luck the accuracy required.Why? Because 1 millisecond accuracy results to + or - 300Km potential error. Do that for 7 pings and you get totally lost. (+-300 for the first, +-600 for the second, +-900 for the 3rd, +-1200 for the 4th etc...)
Case closed. ALL THEIR RESULTS ARE NONSENSE
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu May 29, 2014 11:03 pm

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The search continues on as the embark on the next phase. They did say they were preparing for this many weeks ago before ADV Ocean Shield went to port.



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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Fri May 30, 2014 12:59 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2014/05/world/mh370-inmarsat-data/

All I had to do was just have a look at the accuracy of their timings.
Are they to the nanosecond? 0.000 000 000 secs? NO!
Are they to the microsecond at least? 0.000 000 secs? NO
Are they to the millisecond 0.000 secs? YES.

So what does this mean? It means that their measurements luck the accuracy required.Why? Because 1 millisecond accuracy results to + or - 300Km potential error. Do that for 7 pings and you get totally lost. (+-300 for the first, +-600 for the second, +-900 for the 3rd, +-1200 for the 4th etc...)
Case closed. ALL THEIR RESULTS ARE NONSENSE


The timings are based on an Atomic Clock so there is nothing wrong with the accuracy and furthermore they used Doppler effect and not triangulation so they were not using time to calculate and triangulate distance.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Fri May 30, 2014 1:03 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:
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The search continues on as the embark on the next phase. They did say they were preparing for this many weeks ago before ADV Ocean Shield went to port.



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Don't be such an idiot!

Have you heard the the UN is about to chime in with some data from underwater microphones that could provide another lead? Noises were heard around the time MH370 crashed, and this detection was very close to where they are looking right now.

Furthermore, the search continues in an area of 60,000 sq kms and I suggest you grow up.

You are a fucking idiot for even saying that man evolved over 8000 years and that animals have mental telepathy. But that was no news to me and it serves Oracle right. I suggest you go back to school!
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri May 30, 2014 3:21 pm

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Pyrpolizer wrote:http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2014/05/world/mh370-inmarsat-data/

All I had to do was just have a look at the accuracy of their timings.
Are they to the nanosecond? 0.000 000 000 secs? NO!
Are they to the microsecond at least? 0.000 000 secs? NO
Are they to the millisecond 0.000 secs? YES.

So what does this mean? It means that their measurements luck the accuracy required.Why? Because 1 millisecond accuracy results to + or - 300Km potential error. Do that for 7 pings and you get totally lost. (+-300 for the first, +-600 for the second, +-900 for the 3rd, +-1200 for the 4th etc...)
Case closed. ALL THEIR RESULTS ARE NONSENSE


The timings are based on an Atomic Clock so there is nothing wrong with the accuracy and furthermore they used Doppler effect and not triangulation so they were not using time to calculate and triangulate distance.


Yes they ere using time to calculate the distance from the satellite. How do you think they made all those arcs? :lol: Listen carefully to what Mark Dickinson Vice President of Satellite operations-Inmarsat says in this interview

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/27/world ... -analysis/

I am not going to spend much more time with a nasty retard like you who claims he deals with aircraft performance, yet he cannot understand the simplest of Engineering facts.
Your wrist watch or the clock of your computer may well be synchronized via an atomic clock and be very accurate. HOWEVER it is not the internal accuracy of your clock that matters, but the accuracy at which you can log time events.
Taking your wrist watch as an example an event that occurred at 16:15:55 00001 and an event that occurred at 16:15:55 99999 will both be displayed as having occurred at 16:15:55. THAT’S A WHOLE SECOND DIFFERENCE/ ERROR IN YOUR DATA.

Similarly the data of inmarsat were recorded at millisecond intervals . This means that an event that occurred at 16:15:555 000001 and an event that occurred at 16:15:555 99999 would both be recorded as having occurred at 16:15:555. THAT’S A WHOLE MILLISECOND DIFFERENCE/ERROR IN THEIR DATA. Which as I explained before, and wasted my time once again with you, corresponds to +- 300km position error.
Which in turn would correspond to +- 2100km position error for the 7th ping, which in turn makes their calculations total trash.
The mere fact that they only released the log files but STILL REFUSE to release their calculations, shows they want to claim exclusivity of correctness without proof.
(Just have a look at the data released and notice how many events were recorded by Inmarsat as presumably having occurred at exactly the same millisecond. There are hundreds of them all over)

And do us all a favor and stop mixing other topics out of context just to satisfy your sick hate against a clever and well educated woman like GIG .
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Fri May 30, 2014 3:37 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2014/05/world/mh370-inmarsat-data/

All I had to do was just have a look at the accuracy of their timings.
Are they to the nanosecond? 0.000 000 000 secs? NO!
Are they to the microsecond at least? 0.000 000 secs? NO
Are they to the millisecond 0.000 secs? YES.

So what does this mean? It means that their measurements luck the accuracy required.Why? Because 1 millisecond accuracy results to + or - 300Km potential error. Do that for 7 pings and you get totally lost. (+-300 for the first, +-600 for the second, +-900 for the 3rd, +-1200 for the 4th etc...)
Case closed. ALL THEIR RESULTS ARE NONSENSE


The timings are based on an Atomic Clock so there is nothing wrong with the accuracy and furthermore they used Doppler effect and not triangulation so they were not using time to calculate and triangulate distance.


Yes they ere using time to calculate the distance from the satelite. Listen carefully to what Mark Dickinson Vice President of Satellite operations-Inmarsat says in this interview

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/27/world ... -analysis/

I am not going to spend much more time with a nasty retard like you who claims he deals with aircraft performance, yet he cannot understand the simplest of Engineering facts.
Your wrist watch or the clock of your computer may well be synchronized via an atomic clock and be very accurate. HOWEVER it is not the internal accuracy of your clock that matters, but the accuracy at which you can log time events.
Taking your wrist watch as an example an event that occurred at 16:15:55 00001 and an event that occurred at 16:15:55 99999 will both be displayed as having occurred at 16:15:55. THAT’S A WHOLE SECOND DIFFERENCE/ ERROR IN YOUR DATA.

Similarly the data of inmarsat were recorded at millisecond intervals . This means that an event that occurred at 16:15:555 000001 and an event that occurred at 16:15:555 99999 would both be recorded as having occurred at 16:15:555. THAT’S A WHOLE MILLISECOND DIFFERENCE/ERROR IN THEIR DATA. Which as I explained before, and wasted my time once again with you, corresponds to +- 300km position error.
Which in turn would correspond to +- 2100km position error for the 7th ping, which in turn makes their calculations total trash.
The mere fact that they only released the log files but STILL REFUSE to release their calculations, shows they want to claim exclusivity of correctness without proof.
(Just have a look at the data released and notice how many events were recorded by Inmarsat as presumably having occurred at exactly the same millisecond. There are hundreds of them all over)

And do us all a favor and stop mixing other topics out of context just to satisfy your sick hate against a clever and well educated woman like GIG .


You are correct that all the raw date was recorded down to a milisecond. The calculations were based on that and this takes them doen to an accuracy of plus or minus 300 kms.

That allows them to define a search area.

They also compared their data against numerous flights in the area to define the types of margins they are dealing with.

So, will the publication quell the critics? Probably not. They want every last digit and bit of data so they can re-create the work, something that is impossible without detailed knowledge of the plane's modem, the satellite's own movement and the performance capabilities of the 777 aircraft.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/27/world ... -analysis/


But it is a lot more complicated than you seem to think. Inmarsat is all well and good and their calculations are accurate but only after taking into consideration the performance parameters of the B777. For that, Boeing has to be involved in the process with the best Aircraft Performance Analysts on the planet so that they can extrapolate and calculate where the aircraft could have flown to in various configurations, power settings and altitudes and for that they also factor in the Grid Point Sector Winds (the would know these) and derive multiple possible Ground Speeds and Fuel Consumption and then derive where the plane could have entered the Indian Ocean. Again, they would have multiple scenarios and there can never be a right answer because there is a lot of guess work involved within the science as well as many assumptions.

Could Dickinson be wrong? As an engineer he is, of course open to the possibility, but he insists his data has been "checked and checked ... to make sure we've got it right. Checked against other flights in the area at the same time; checked against previous flights of this aircraft. At the moment there is no reason to doubt -- I believe what this data says."

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/27/world ... -analysis/
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Get Real! » Fri May 30, 2014 3:51 pm

Paphitis wrote:Similarly the data of inmarsat were recorded at millisecond intervals.

Inmarsat? :? Where do you get all this bullshit from? :lol:

Do you Google “list of satellite names” or something and then come back and throw them in your arguments to make them appear scientific? :lol: :lol: :lol:

You’re such a dickhead re Paphitis… :lol:

The bottom line is that Imarsat, GaySat, WhoreSat and all the other JunkSats out there orbiting this planet failed miserably in locating the vanished jumbo jet so they don’t deserve any mention!

So far the only technology that works beyond any reasonable doubt is WeFuckedUpAgainSat! :lol:
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Fri May 30, 2014 3:55 pm

This is what the data is telling us in a nutshell.

The data includes the elapsed time or how long the data took to go from Aircraft to Satellite to Aircraft. From their, they have a Burst Frequency Offset which tells them if the aircraft is moving towards the satellite or away from the Satellite.

So given the elapsed time of the transmission, you can calculate an arc + or - some error discrepancy which is also calculable.

The Doppler Effect allows them to calculate whether the aircraft is moving towards the Satellite or away from the satellite along that calculated arc + or - a quantifiable error.

To re-check the figures, they compared their raw data against other aircraft in the area, including other B777 aircraft and conducted other calculations to see whether the data is accurate enough or reliable. They have deduced that it is.

But that's only part of it. Aircraft performance Analysts need to calculate the aircraft's performance under various parameters. The fuel on board was known as well as the aircraft's weight. From their they need to calculate a fuel consumption and Ground Speed using the known Grid Point Sector Wind and Temperatures (GPSWT) to derive a set of data as to how the B777 will perform and to calculate a Ground Speed and then hopefully calculate the most likely ditching location + or - some error or discrepancy.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Fri May 30, 2014 3:58 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Similarly the data of inmarsat were recorded at millisecond intervals.

Inmarsat? :? Where do you get all this bullshit from? :lol:

Do you Google “list of satellite names” or something and then come back and throw them in your arguments to make them appear scientific? :lol: :lol: :lol:

You’re such a dickhead re Paphitis… :lol:

The bottom line is that Imarsat, GaySat, WhoreSat and all the other JunkSats out there orbiting this planet failed miserably in locating the vanished jumbo jet so they don’t deserve any mention!

So far the only technology that works beyond any reasonable doubt is WeFuckedUpAgainSat! :lol:


http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2014 ... rsat-data/

http://www.inmarsat.com/

Wasn't talking about a particular Satellite but Inmarsat the company that owns and operates 3 constellations of Satellites which provide Satcom services to Aircraft and Shipping!

They own 30 Satellites all up with various names for your information.

http://www.inmarsat.com/about-us/our-satellites/
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