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[Paphitis]

What a joke of an excuse for spending 2 months looking in the wrong place. They don't really want to find it because they might look effective and capable! lol

Any news on the land searches they said were going to be carried out?

They already look extremely capable for the fact that in a matter of days they covered millions of sq miles with a few Orion aircraft and the meticulous nature of their planning and organization.

Not finding it is not a factor due to the extreme difficulties associated with the search and the fact that very little is known other than a few calculations made by some Inmarsat Analysts and potentially a few Australian and American military boffins which they would not talk about to the public.

When it comes to Military Intelligence, and technological capability, then they would most certainly want to hide the true extent of their capability for security and political reasons.

[Paphitis]

The issue is that they will reveal the true range of their radar which is information that no official organ has released ever!

I admit, that the secrecy of the above would make sense to me, then they should know where the MH370 crashed in the Southern Indian Ocean if the range of detection goes as far from Australia as where the search has been going on for the last 2 months, but they have nothing to show for. Then it raises questions as to why they were looking at the wrong place initially at the “Roaring Forties” or are the Aussies playing the bluff game in trying to make others think that their JORN Radar Network can reach as far as where the search for MH370 is going on?

Perhaps JORN is not as good as you think it is, Paphitis.

I can tell you JORN is very good and it is recognized as being good by the Americans in that they are always testing their Stealth Aircraft. One time they attempted unsuccessfully to violate the Australian FIR which I am aware of and they could never pull it off with B2 and F22 aircraft. They were detected a long way out.

There are also political reasons. JORN can detect aircraft taking off from airports in Asia and recently there was a major espionage incident between Australia and Asian countries due to the Snowdon Revelations which released some of Australia's Intelligence activities around the world.

[Paphitis]

The issue is that they will reveal the true range of their radar which is information that no official organ has released ever!

I admit, that the secrecy of the above would make sense to me, then they should know where the MH370 crashed in the Southern Indian Ocean if the range of detection goes as far from Australia as where the search has been going on for the last 2 months, but they have nothing to show for. Then it raises questions as to why they were looking at the wrong place initially at the “Roaring Forties” or are the Aussies playing the bluff game in trying to make others think that their JORN Radar Network can reach as far as where the search for MH370 is going on?

Perhaps JORN is not as good as you think it is, Paphitis.

To me it all appears very suss that the Australian Intelligence Community is aware of certain facts. This could be from a variety of sources from Pine Gap to JORN.

So let's assume that is the case. Let's say JORN detected MH370. The area it was detected would result in it being quickly classified as a non threat. They would not concern themselves with the aircraft. They would not have known what aircraft it was. They may have assumed that the aircraft was US Military but they would not be worried about it unless it made a turn towards Australia. But why and how? Well, it could be from a US Carrier. One time, in the Indian Ocean, US Navy Intruders intercepted Australian Customs Aircraft because the detected the radar signature and were passing within 100 miles of a US Aircraft Carrier. The followed the Australian Customs aircraft, identified it, and left it alone.

Now Pine Gap, JORN and Australian Intelligence do not communicate with other Governments and would not report these types of events but everything is recorded and stored on huge computers.

Then, the biggest clue for me, was when the Australian Government formed the JACC and made Angus Houston as the Head. Angus Houston was a career Airman in the RAAF, and became the Chief of Staff just after General Cosgrove who was responsible for Interfet (East Timor). Angus Houston held a higher security clearance than the Australian Prime Minister even. Why was he appointed?

Could it be so that the Australian Intelligence community can feed him certain facts about MH370 and be certain that the information is disguised and cloaked in secrecy?

That is a big possibility.

One more thing, it would have taken quite some time for this information to be filtered through to the JACC in secrecy. It would not have been immediate and in the beginning they may not have been willing to divulge anything. Also, they would only be able to narrow down the search area to some extent. They would not have been able to pin point it.

[Pyrpolizer]

After I saw the positions of the 4 pings the super clever and technologically advanced Aussies have detected from the "man made sources" I immediately told you the whole story was a fiasco.You thought by aligning with your officials puts you on the safe side of been right, and that poor Pyro had not even a chance in a million to be correct. You were always jumping up and down with fascinating evidence, first with those 24X5m aircraft debris, then with the 4 pings, then with the oil slicks then with Al Queda terrorists and what-have-you. Let aside your continuous foolish broadcasting of shivering parades of aircrafts and ships that for me having served in the armed forces actually almost made me vomit.

You have chosen to be taken for a ride Pahitis. Enjoy it, your officials and the Aussies themselves are running a show for fools like you.

The plane IS NOT THERE and they WILL NEVER FIND it there. And stop this nonsense that they need years and years.
Yours and their time is up. Actually it was up one week after the failed in finding anything within the perimeter of the 4 ping pongs

[Paphitis]

After I saw the positions of the 4 pings the super clever and technologically advanced Aussies have detected from the "man made sources" I immediately told you the whole story was a fiasco.You thought by aligning with your officials puts you on the safe side of been right, and that poor Pyro had not even a chance in a million to be correct. You were always jumping up and down with fascinating evidence, first with those 24X5m aircraft debris, then with the 4 pings, then with the oil slicks then with Al Queda terrorists and what-have-you. Let aside your continuous foolish broadcasting of shivering parades of aircrafts and ships that for me having served in the armed forces actually almost made me vomit.

You have chosen to be taken for a ride Pahitis. Enjoy it, your officials and the Aussies themselves are running a show for fools like you.

The plane IS NOT THERE and they WILL NEVER FIND it there. And stop this nonsense that they need years and years.
Yours and their time is up. Actually it was up one week after the failed in finding anything within the perimeter of the 4 ping pongs

I didn't provide any evidence, only honest analysis of the evidence and known facts such as the many satellite pictures from multiple countries and not just Australian Satellites. The JACC never stated that the photos were of aircraft debris but that they were leads which needed to be followed up which is exactly what they did. The same thing with the oil sample retrieved from sea. It was a lead that needed to be investigated and that is what they did. You actually stated that they were going to rig it.

The search has now resumed. There are many Australian and US Naval Ships in the area. The Chinese are there as well. They all seem very happy to continue looking and that is going to be costly. They would not be there now if they thought there was no chance. Also, they have stated many times that they have not searched the entire area surrounding the 4 pings.

Unlike you, I do not make it up as I go along. I know that they have information which no one is privy to. For Australia to be saying that the search will be indefinate until MH370 is found seems to suggest that they believe it will not be because they will find the aircraft. For Angus Houston to be making an extraordinary statement that MH370 should be found by the end of the year is something which can't be ignored as far as I am concerned. Angus has otherwise been very cautious and conservative as you would expect from such a professional leader. Houston was second in command of Interfet and we all know what happened there. It was the perfect military invasion into East Timor and a masterpiece of psychological warfare which saw its liberation from an occupier with a population of 200 million. This is not some Greek or Cypriot idiot but someone who has created history!

Whether you like it or not, they do not believe it is over at all. They have once again commenced their search operations in the search zone. They will continue for as long as it takes and they are about to mobilize additional equipment.

[Pyrpolizer]

There have been 4 other serious leads that they hastly chose to ignore.
a)Vietnam has detected transponder pings from a crashing aircraft the night it was lost
b}Vietnamese Admiral report as to the approximate crash location.
c)Oil drill worker report of witnessing an aircraft going down in flames
d)Those islanders who saw a a plane flying low over their place
e)The latest lead by that company placing the crash site at the gulf of Bengal.

None has been investigated thoroughly.
Why? Because at least one of them would lead to finding the plane and reveal the reasons why it crashed.

You think they are going to continue the search in the area they are currently focused because they are certain the plane is there.
I imply you they are simply wasting public money and they will waste more for their own pockets either in the form of salaries or huge commissions.
Just wait until they assign private contractors to continue this pointless so called search.

I IMPLY YOU THEIR PURPOSE IS NOT TO FIND THE PLANE BUT TO BURY ANY CHANCE OF FINDING IT ELSEWHERE WHERE IT REALLY IS.

[repulsewarrior]

There have been 4 other serious leads that they hastly chose to ignore.
a)Vietnam has detected transponder pings from a crashing aircraft the night it was lost
b}Vietnamese Admiral report as to the approximate crash location.
c)Oil drill worker report of witnessing an aircraft going down in flames
d)Those islanders who saw a a plane flying low over their place
e)The latest lead by that company placing the crash site at the gulf of Bengal.

None has been investigated thoroughly.
Why? Because at least one of them would lead to finding the plane and reveal the reasons why it crashed.

You think they are going to continue the search in the area they are currently focused because they are certain the plane is there.
I imply you they are simply wasting public money and they will waste more for their own pockets either in the form of salaries or huge commissions.
Just wait until they assign private contractors to continue this pointless so called search.

I IMPLY YOU THEIR PURPOSE IS NOT TO FIND THE PLANE BUT TO BURY ANY CHANCE OF FINDING IT ELSEWHERE WHERE IT REALLY IS.

...the question would be therefore; why?

[Pyrpolizer]

because they don't want anyone to know the real reasons the plane crashed.
Also for filling up their pockets and for awarding inmarsat 1 million per day profit when the time comes to impose a rule for tracking all planes in the world.
In fact this was the ONLY suggestion the Malaysian govnt included in her report.

[repulsewarrior]

...a real reason being? and "who" is it exactly?

money, as in subsidiary, a derivative to something else, the money that goes to tracking flight.

[Paphitis]

There have been 4 other serious leads that they hastly chose to ignore.
a)Vietnam has detected transponder pings from a crashing aircraft the night it was lost
b}Vietnamese Admiral report as to the approximate crash location.
c)Oil drill worker report of witnessing an aircraft going down in flames
d)Those islanders who saw a a plane flying low over their place
e)The latest lead by that company placing the crash site at the gulf of Bengal.

None has been investigated thoroughly.
Why? Because at least one of them would lead to finding the plane and reveal the reasons why it crashed.

You think they are going to continue the search in the area they are currently focused because they are certain the plane is there.
I imply you they are simply wasting public money and they will waste more for their own pockets either in the form of salaries or huge commissions.
Just wait until they assign private contractors to continue this pointless so called search.

I IMPLY YOU THEIR PURPOSE IS NOT TO FIND THE PLANE BUT TO BURY ANY CHANCE OF FINDING IT ELSEWHERE WHERE IT REALLY IS.

Yes absolutely! They are going to continue searching in the current search area because they believe that is where MH370 is. The other leads are a matter for other countries to follow up and report back. They are not within Australia's jurisdiction!