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[Paphitis]

Kikapu,

they have not found it now as we speak as far as we know, but that does not mean they will not find it. I believe they will.

So why have they not found it yet? For a variety of reasons. The debris is constantly moving with the current and out there you get effected by weather and sea swell. The seas can get quite lumpy and with "snow caps". The debris is also semi-submerged

The aircraft being used hunt submarines. They have Magnetic Anomaly Detection for detecting big hunks of steel beneath the waves. If the debris is from MH370, and has any markings on it, such as MAS then they may have already identified the debris as belonging to MH370, but the Americans, Australians or the Chinese will ever reveal that.

Some sections of B777 are Carbon Fibre and would float no problem. However, they can't be picked up by MAD.

So they rely on FLIR and the naked eye. A search, despite all the gadgetry, is as rudimentary as flying a Grid Search Pattern. Fly 000 for a minute, 090 for a minute, 180 for 2 minutes, 270 for 2 minutes, 000 for 3 minutes. They are in the search area for about 4 hours. Transit to and from the search area is about 8 hours. Then, it's all down to Observers looking out the window with binoculars and looking at the FLIR. They been using that technique since the beginning of aviation. Some things just don't change after all despite the technology. The cost of the search in the Southern Ocean just in the last 4 days has exceeded over 100 million. Australian tax payers have foot over half of the total bill.

They can in fact fly over the top of it. It is quite hard when there is a swell, and they do vary their altitude between 300 and 2000FT. Lower levels give shallow field of vision and you move over the water quite quick. At higher levels you can see more, but the ocean surface looks like a mosaic of "white caps".

I understand all of you have written, but you have not addressed the LAT-LONG coordinates that must come with any new satellite sightings and time. From that point, it's not so difficult to work out how far the object will move based on current strength and direction at any given time. I also know that this area have heavy seas and winds, and if the plane did crash in this area, I doubt they can ever recover the black boxes.

One other thing. What part of the B-777 possible be a piece that can be 12m x 24m and float? The wing? Fuselage? That's a large piece to remain intact had the plane crashed into the sea at high speed.

They can work it out Kikapu but getting visuals on debris is not as easy as you think even with LAT LONG Coords. The conditions on the surface could be playing havoc on the search effort and the objects do drift so its a case of dead reckoning.

The Australian Prime Minister has just announced that a surveillance aircraft has gotten visual sighting of some debris in the ocean.

http://www.skynews.com.au/national/arti ... d=National

There getting very close Kikapu. I anticipate that MH370 fragments will be identified within the next 24 hours.

[Pyrpolizer]

Oh for crying out loud Pyrpolizer. Diego Garcia is no more important than hundreds of other installations and the Yanks have a number of installations. The biggest asset at Diego Garcia is the runway and there is not much a B777 can do to that which can't be fixed within days.

Who says so? You? Yeah right, let it hit and we will fix everything later...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia

And the Yanks are not about to shoot down an airliner around Diego Garcia for now reason and expect to keep that a secret from Russian and Chinese surveillance. The Russians and Putin would have a field day to say the least because Putin would look for anything like that to sink his boots in.

An unidentified plane heading towards a military base (possibly at low altitude) and not responding to ANY calls is enough reason by EVERY standard and it proved to be so in the case of Helios..
What makes you think the Russians or the Chinese were ever able to know whether the plane was shot down or not, when at the same time they have already proven they have no clue of whatever happened to it?

Just plain stupid Pyro!

You have a very very simplistic logic to say the least

I highly doubt there was a fire of any kind. And you make it easy to not be taken seriously in this instance because you are buying into all the rubbish like that Mr, Goodfellow who came up with some strange ideas not to mention the media which has reacted irresponsibly with the most absurd articles and theories.

I admit I got you wrong there-you are not the one you subscribed to that theory. But where did I ever say that is what I beleive??? It's obvious that you are expecting that they will find debris from the plane somewhere southeast of Australia. And you will be absolutely convinced the plane crashed somewhere there, and the Orange box will be at the bottom of the sea together with all the plane and dead people. Good luck to your "safe" expectations.But I am not buying

[Paphitis]

Oh for crying out loud Pyrpolizer. Diego Garcia is no more important than hundreds of other installations and the Yanks have a number of installations. The biggest asset at Diego Garcia is the runway and there is not much a B777 can do to that which can't be fixed within days.

Who says so? You? Yeah right, let it hit and we will fix everything later...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia

And the Yanks are not about to shoot down an airliner around Diego Garcia for now reason and expect to keep that a secret from Russian and Chinese surveillance. The Russians and Putin would have a field day to say the least because Putin would look for anything like that to sink his boots in.

An unidentified plane heading towards a military base (possibly at low altitude) and not responding to ANY calls is enough reason by EVERY standard and it proved to be so in the case of Helios..
What makes you think the Russians or the Chinese were ever able to know whether the plane was shot down or not, when at the same time they have already proven they have no clue of whatever happened to it?

Just plain stupid Pyro!

You have a very very simplistic logic to say the least

I highly doubt there was a fire of any kind. And you make it easy to not be taken seriously in this instance because you are buying into all the rubbish like that Mr, Goodfellow who came up with some strange ideas not to mention the media which has reacted irresponsibly with the most absurd articles and theories.

I admit I got you wrong there-you are not the one you subscribed to that theory. But where did I ever say that is what I beleive??? It's obvious that you are expecting that they will find debris from the plane somewhere southeast of Australia. And you will be absolutely convinced the plane crashed somewhere there, and the Orange box will be at the bottom of the sea together with all the plane and dead people. Good luck to your "safe" expectations.But I am not buying

Come on Pyro please get serious!

You are being absolutely ridiculous if I may say so! I don't think the Americans would shoot down an airliner for no particular reason unless it was the absolute last resort and they were certain that their base was going to be attacked. If they did shoot it down, they would admit to it straight up and explain why the had to do it. They wouldn't in their wildest dreams believe that they will be able to cover such a thing up! Absolutely absurd!

Your friggin crazy to say the least!

You can subscribe to any stupid theory you want, but how seemingly intelligent people come up with such theories is beyond me. Watch the news because there are developments and there is a military build up in Western Australia right now. Everyone believes the crash site is in the Southern Indian Ocean.

You don't have to buy a thing, but soon, the Australian Authorities will have MH370 debris and one day, the Orange Box will be found just like they found Air France after 2 years.

I don't know why you place such huge significance on Diego Garcia. It is just a runway, and most of the time there are not even any aircraft there.

[Pyrpolizer]

Listen Paphitis I am not going to repeat the same things over and over again.
What surprises me is your total inability to think outside the box.
What am I supposed to do, give you a list of possible reasons for this and that just because you think "no that would be too weird, too unlikely, it should of been more straight forward, etc etc"?
Perhaps you are all up for ready answers, and I do wish that someone ever provides you a readily available answer how the plane presumably crashed at nowhere, and at exactly the opposite route compared to it’s scheduled one.

[Paphitis]

Listen Paphitis I am not going to repeat the same things over and over again.
What surprises me is your total inability to think outside the box.
What am I supposed to do, give you a list of possible reasons for this and that just because you think "no that would be too weird, too unlikely, it should of been more straight forward, etc etc"?
Perhaps you are all up for ready answers, and I do wish that someone ever provides you a readily available answer how the plane presumably crashed at nowhere, and at exactly the opposite route compared to it’s scheduled one.

Mate, no one in their wildest dreams would accuse the Americans of such a thing.

I remember in the first few hours I entertained the prospect that there was some kind of military accident which may have involved the Americans and/or a number of other countries in the region. Even the North Koreans got a mention with their rogue missiles. It has happened before. But that possibility has been ruled out well and truly.

Now everyone is taking snapshots from space. Australia, China and France have Satellite Images and as I told you before and an Australian Search Aircraft has actually seen some debris ranging from cargo pallets to various strappings. Ships are currently on their way to this small area.

Now I find it hard to believe that the Russians and Americans have not taken their own snapshots as well.

[Pyrpolizer]

Listen Paphitis I am not going to repeat the same things over and over again.
What surprises me is your total inability to think outside the box.
What am I supposed to do, give you a list of possible reasons for this and that just because you think "no that would be too weird, too unlikely, it should of been more straight forward, etc etc"?
Perhaps you are all up for ready answers, and I do wish that someone ever provides you a readily available answer how the plane presumably crashed at nowhere, and at exactly the opposite route compared to it’s scheduled one.

Mate, no one in their wildest dreams would accuse the Americans of such a thing.

I remember in the first few hours I entertained the prospect that there was some kind of military accident which may have involved the Americans and/or a number of other countries in the region. Even the North Koreans got a mention with their rogue missiles. It has happened before. But that possibility has been ruled out well and truly.

Now everyone is taking snapshots from space. Australia, China and France have Satellite Images and as I told you before and an Australian Search Aircraft has actually seen some debris ranging from cargo pallets to various strappings. Ships are currently on their way to this small area.

Now I find it hard to believe that the Russians and Americans have not taken their own snapshots as well.

In your opinion of course....

[Paphitis]

Listen Paphitis I am not going to repeat the same things over and over again.
What surprises me is your total inability to think outside the box.
What am I supposed to do, give you a list of possible reasons for this and that just because you think "no that would be too weird, too unlikely, it should of been more straight forward, etc etc"?
Perhaps you are all up for ready answers, and I do wish that someone ever provides you a readily available answer how the plane presumably crashed at nowhere, and at exactly the opposite route compared to it’s scheduled one.

Mate, no one in their wildest dreams would accuse the Americans of such a thing.

I remember in the first few hours I entertained the prospect that there was some kind of military accident which may have involved the Americans and/or a number of other countries in the region. Even the North Koreans got a mention with their rogue missiles. It has happened before. But that possibility has been ruled out well and truly.

Now everyone is taking snapshots from space. Australia, China and France have Satellite Images and as I told you before and an Australian Search Aircraft has actually seen some debris ranging from cargo pallets to various strappings. Ships are currently on their way to this small area.

Now I find it hard to believe that the Russians and Americans have not taken their own snapshots as well.

In your opinion of course....

And everyone else's opinion too, ranging from industry professionals and to the political establishments of Malaysia, US and Australia. Heads of State have even made some pretty huge statements, including the French and Chinese Authorities, and I don't think they would put themselves in a position where they will have egg on their faces.

I hope they find the Orange Box real soon to put an end to all these ridiculous theories because they are painfully so ridiculous!

You might as well say that MH370 was abducted by aliens.

[Pyrpolizer]

And everyone else's opinion too, ranging from industry professionals and to the political establishments of Malaysia, US and Australia. Heads of State have even made some pretty huge statements, including the French and Chinese Authorities, and I don't think they would put themselves in a position where they will have egg on their faces.

I hope the find the Orange Box real soon to put an end to all these ridiculous theories because they are painfully so ridiculous!

You might as well say that MH370 was abducted by aliens.

Which of course you just imagine

[Paphitis]

And everyone else's opinion too, ranging from industry professionals and to the political establishments of Malaysia, US and Australia. Heads of State have even made some pretty huge statements, including the French and Chinese Authorities, and I don't think they would put themselves in a position where they will have egg on their faces.

I hope the find the Orange Box real soon to put an end to all these ridiculous theories because they are painfully so ridiculous!

You might as well say that MH370 was abducted by aliens.

Which of course you just imagine

I didn't come up with the shoot down theory! You've been watching too many American Movies!

[yialousa1971]

I thought you said goodbye.

Yialousa,

you will get your wish so fear not. I will post rarely and am not particularly interested in the forum apart from a few friends like Kikapu, RichardB, Milti, B25, GR, DT, CBBB et al all of which I would like to meet.

You too if you're prepared to do so. So as your friend, let me give you some advice. You need to open your mind, and probably mature somewhat. By all means, love Greece, respect the culture and the people because they are fabulous, but Cyprus is its own country now and it stands alone. It has its own culture and is inferior to none. We don't need any inferiority complex or play the victim. Furthermore, respect the Brits, and the Jews as much as the Greeks because they are just as good as any Greek. Travel and see people for who they are. Americans as well. Cypriots should not feel sorry for themselves or play victim and blame their woes on America, Britain or Jews. It really does us no favours, and believe me, most people actually poke fun at us.

I know the Jews are a bit of an issue for you. You are religious, so go on a pilgrimage to the Holy Land because you are sure to bump into a few there. They are as good as any Greek, hospitable and crave peace with their neighbours. They have suffered war for so long. Israel is an interesting place. The Israelis are no different to anyone else around the globe. Sadly, some fanatical Orthodox Jews are a problem for the Jewish State as much as they are a problem for the poor Palestinians who see more and more settlements in the West Bank. The Orthodox Jews see Israel as the Satan State because it is not suppose to exist because their Messiah has not as yet come to earth to free them. The vast majority of Israelis actually blame them for the continuing turmoil and an obstacle to peace. The vast majority actually believe in a 2 State Solution and oppose any new settlements.

Go there and the Jews will help you grow as a person and a Greek if you are interested in Hellenism it should be your duty.

Now all the best to you Yialousa and get rid of all that silliness you hold within you because life is too short to have some of the ideas you seem to hold.

The best advice I can give you is to go on a pilgrimage to the Holy Land as a Orthodox Christian that you are and actually reconnect with the teachings and learn to respect these people exactly the same way as your respect Greeks, and should respect Brits, Aussies, Americans and everyone else in this world because we are all the same.

You won't regret it!

There will always be a cage with your name on it at the forum zoo when you come back.