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[GreekIslandGirl]

Yep 2453 Kg!!
THE PACKAGE CONTAINS LITHIUM ION BATTERIES
THE PACKAGE MUST BE HANDLED WITH CARE
FLAMABILITY HAZARDS EXIST IF THE PACKAGE IS DAMAGED.
SPECIAL PROCEDURE MUST BE FOLLOWED IN THE EVENT THE PACKAGE IS DAMAGED TO INCLIUDE INSPECTION AND REPACKAGING IF NECESSARY.


lol. wEREN'T THEY ALWAYS SAYING IT ONLY CARRIED FRESH MANGOSTEEN?l

LIARS

They did deny the presence of Lithium batteries at first and then eventually admitted there were "some" on board. It sounds like it was downplayed a lot and there certainly was no indication of such a huge quantity:

'We carried some lithium-ion small batteries, they are not big batteries and they are basically approved under the ICAO (The International Civil Aviation Organisation) under dangerous goods.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... cargo.html

He used the terms "small batteries" and "not big batteries" as a rhetorical deflection on the huge quantity we now know was on board.

Isn't there an upper weight/power/quantity limit?

[GreekIslandGirl]

Just found this, I don't have time to look at it now, so will return to it later ....

http://www.iata.org/html_email/CAR10016 ... teries.pdf

[Pyrpolizer]

Good search GIG.I will have a look at it later too.
Now coming back to the cargo manifest I am a bit skeptical whether all those 2 tons+ were ALL indeed Lithium batteries.
It says
133 packages total weight 1990 Kg
58 packages 60x26x22cm each +9 packages 42x36x19cm. Total weight of those 67 packages 463 Kg

Still however if only the 463 Kg were Lithium-ion batteries they are still very dangerous.
If my memory is correct 1 Kg of Li-ions carries about the same energy as 1 grenade.

[Pyrpolizer]

I went thru your document GIG it looks like there are only limitations as to the size of the Lithium batteries, and the maximum weight per package which varies according to the type from 5 to 35 Kg. There are also regulations on how to label the boxes etc. However there doesn't seem to be any limitation concerning the number of packages!

I believe when they said "small batteries" actually referred to the type of Li-ions used in mobile phones, laptops etc. The size of each cell inside a laptop battery is about double of an AA common battery.
The distinction between "small" and "big"-i think-refers to the fact that there are big Lithium batteries similar in size like those used on cars.

Looking at the Airway Bill regarding that cargo it seems to me that MAS did not violate any of the EXISTING rules.
The whole world however knows these batteries are dangerous... and should imo be banned from all air cargo shipments.

[Kikapu]

According to CNN, Richard Quest stated tonight that the released report on MH370 had very little on facts, basically saying that there were no facts and a lot of unknowns. In another words, our own CF site on MH370 has just as much value on information on MH370 as the released report had. Poor Aussies are spending millions and finding no facts of importance to add to the report, whereas, we have spent no money and have added equal amount of "facts". The only difference is, the Aussies haven't proved anything yet to be correct on what they have done so far, nor have they proved anything from the CF site to be wrong either!

[Pyrpolizer]

According to CNN, Richard Quest stated tonight that the released report on MH370 had very little on facts, basically saying that there were no facts and a lot of unknowns. In another words, our own CF site on MH370 has just as much value on information on MH370 as the released report had. Poor Aussies are spending millions and finding no facts of importance to add to the report, whereas, we have spent no money and have added equal amount of "facts". The only difference is, the Aussies haven't proved anything yet to be correct on what they have done so far, nor have they proved anything from the CF site to be wrong either!

They did not even backup their own Agent in CF!
Just a couple of days ago he was telling us all sorts of fairy tales that were supposed to be in the report, because presumably he has seen it.

[Pyrpolizer]

Has anyone checked the voice data they released?
It's obvious that parts 4 and 5 are spoken by a different person. than parts 1-3. Notice how he spells Malaysian 370. He always says
Malaysiannnn (slight pause)370, contrary to the other guy. Probably it's pilot , co-pilot talking but then again how difficult could it be to verify who was behind that voice from other older voice recordings?
Yet they have never confirmed who said the last words Despite the fact that the one who said the last words has a very distinctive way of spelling "malaysian+numbers"

[Paphitis]

Yep 2453 Kg!!
THE PACKAGE CONTAINS LITHIUM ION BATTERIES
THE PACKAGE MUST BE HANDLED WITH CARE
FLAMABILITY HAZARDS EXIST IF THE PACKAGE IS DAMAGED.
SPECIAL PROCEDURE MUST BE FOLLOWED IN THE EVENT THE PACKAGE IS DAMAGED TO INCLIUDE INSPECTION AND REPACKAGING IF NECESSARY.


lol. wEREN'T THEY ALWAYS SAYING IT ONLY CARRIED FRESH MANGOSTEEN?l

LIARS

There is nothing wrong with carrying Lithium Ion Batteries.

They are an IATA Dangerous Good which are allowed to be shipped with the correct packaging, Notice to Captain (NOTOC) with its own Emergency Response Code. It has an IATA UN number.

Pyro, you need to stop reading questionable websites because at no stage did they mention or release the Freight Manifest.

[Paphitis]

Yep 2453 Kg!!
THE PACKAGE CONTAINS LITHIUM ION BATTERIES
THE PACKAGE MUST BE HANDLED WITH CARE
FLAMABILITY HAZARDS EXIST IF THE PACKAGE IS DAMAGED.
SPECIAL PROCEDURE MUST BE FOLLOWED IN THE EVENT THE PACKAGE IS DAMAGED TO INCLIUDE INSPECTION AND REPACKAGING IF NECESSARY.


lol. wEREN'T THEY ALWAYS SAYING IT ONLY CARRIED FRESH MANGOSTEEN?l

LIARS

They did deny the presence of Lithium batteries at first and then eventually admitted there were "some" on board. It sounds like it was downplayed a lot and there certainly was no indication of such a huge quantity:

'We carried some lithium-ion small batteries, they are not big batteries and they are basically approved under the ICAO (The International Civil Aviation Organisation) under dangerous goods.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... cargo.html

He used the terms "small batteries" and "not big batteries" as a rhetorical deflection on the huge quantity we now know was on board.

Isn't there an upper weight/power/quantity limit?

It means nothing because they are a legal consignment under the correct Dangerous Goods procedures.

[Paphitis]

Just found this, I don't have time to look at it now, so will return to it later ....

http://www.iata.org/html_email/CAR10016 ... teries.pdf

I will provide you with all the correct IATA Manual on Dangerous Goods if you want.

Lithium Ion is fine as long as there are controls and I am positive there were. Judging by the NOTOC issued to the Captain, the consignment was referred to the Captain with proper Emergency Response Group number. It also means that the packages were correctly consigned with the right packaging and DG labeling.

There are other regulations pertaining to passengers carrying Lithium. These are only permitted in Limited Quantity or are exempt so that passengers can carry Laptops, cameras and other gear.