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[Paphitis]

And of course you lost interest. You have no argument against the facts from my official links that explain things clearly!

It is as simple as that!

Bye bye!

[Oceanside50]

http://www.businessinsider.com/georeson ... ane-2014-4


Or it could be here

[GreekIslandGirl]

http://www.businessinsider.com/georesonance-says-it-found-the-missing-malaysia-plane-2014-4


Or it could be here

I just saw a report on that too. That's an interesting application, and places the plane 3000 miles from where they are currently looking:

The team at GeoResonance analysed the data using nuclear reactor technology designed to find submarines and warheads, according to the company spokesman, David Pope.
Elements of commercial aircraft were detected by the researchers at GeoResonance, which might add credence to their claim.
"We identified chemical elements and materials that make up a Boeing 777... these are aluminium, titanium, copper, steel alloys and other materials," another company spokesman, Pavel Kursa, said in a statement.
To back the findings, GeoResonance scientists analysed images taken on 5 March, three days before the plane went missing, and compared them with later images.
"The wreckage wasn't there prior to the disappearance of MH370," Pope said.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/malaysia-airl ... ml#3hb84CH

In the same report, there is also this:

Image found in Gulf of Thailand
Meanwhile, a recreational pilot in the US has closed in on a TomNod file of an underwater plane in one piece, after scanning thousands of satellite images.
Michael Hoebel, 60, found a picture showing a one-piece plane floating under the water in the Gulf of Thailand, the place over which the vanished aircraft made its final communication with air traffic control.
"I was taken aback because I couldn't believe I would find this," he told WIVB.
"The lighter skin where the wing attaches to the fuselage - you see that lighter skin [here in the image]."
He was then asked by a reporter if it could be an image of a shark, to which he replied: "That's a 210ft shark."
He reportedly contacted the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National Transportation Safety Board about his findings but has not heard from them yet.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu,

to answer your question there are actually 2 different devices and they work differently. You have Emergency Locator Transmitters which are the same as EPIRB and their signals are tracked by a constellation of SAR Satellites. These do not work underwater. They are manually set off or when there is an inertia trigger such as a major deceleration or crash.

Then you have Underwater Locator Beacons which are activated by inertia or when they detect water. These have to be detected by hydrophone. These are the devices that were detected underwater.

Thanks.

Did this clarify ANYTHING for you?

Perhaps rule out a Land Crash?

Yes, it has clarified everything for me.....thanks!

Yes, it does rule out land crash, not that it was really suggested by anyone. But it doesn't rule out normal landing on land, does it?

It also doesn't rule out the plane being shot down into the ocean (somewhere), does it?

It also rules out the aircraft breaking up on impact with the water in the Southern Indian Ocean, since the 4 pings picked up believing to be coming from the Black Boxes are coming from different locations, so how could the Black Boxes be in motion at the bottom of the sea? On top of which, there has not been one piece of hard evidence that the MH370 ever crashed into the Southern Indian Ocean and broke up into pieces.

The nearest answer I can come up with that can solve the above problems, is that, MH370 made a perfect ditching in the Southern Indian Ocean (after ALL the people on the plane were suffocated and died, except for the one(s) who did it) without losing any piece of the aircraft, not even a screw, as to the reason why there are no debris and as it sat there on the water like a power boat, the pilot in command opened one of the planes doors to allow the water to come into the aircraft to half fill the plane, enough to submerge the Black Boxes so to start the Underwater Locator Beacons to send the ping signals, and then he closed the door shut. The water then caused the plane to start sinking very very very slowly until it reached the bottom of the sea in about 4 weeks. This would explain why there are four different locators to what is believed by some to be the Black Boxes and because the batteries are now dead, no more pings can be detected from the bottom of the ocean. By now, under intense water pressure, the B-777 has cracked open like an egg and the whole aircraft is filled with water and as chance would have it, it has "glided" itself into the deepest point of the Ocean by reaching to the very deep end of very narrow but very deep canyons that must be well over 20,000 meters deep, as to why the wreckage can't be located or will it be ever found!

[Paphitis]

http://www.businessinsider.com/georesonance-says-it-found-the-missing-malaysia-plane-2014-4


Or it could be here

I just saw a report on that too. That's an interesting application, and places the plane 3000 miles from where they are currently looking:

The team at GeoResonance analysed the data using nuclear reactor technology designed to find submarines and warheads, according to the company spokesman, David Pope.
Elements of commercial aircraft were detected by the researchers at GeoResonance, which might add credence to their claim.
"We identified chemical elements and materials that make up a Boeing 777... these are aluminium, titanium, copper, steel alloys and other materials," another company spokesman, Pavel Kursa, said in a statement.
To back the findings, GeoResonance scientists analysed images taken on 5 March, three days before the plane went missing, and compared them with later images.
"The wreckage wasn't there prior to the disappearance of MH370," Pope said.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/malaysia-airl ... ml#3hb84CH

In the same report, there is also this:

Image found in Gulf of Thailand
Meanwhile, a recreational pilot in the US has closed in on a TomNod file of an underwater plane in one piece, after scanning thousands of satellite images.
Michael Hoebel, 60, found a picture showing a one-piece plane floating under the water in the Gulf of Thailand, the place over which the vanished aircraft made its final communication with air traffic control.
"I was taken aback because I couldn't believe I would find this," he told WIVB.
"The lighter skin where the wing attaches to the fuselage - you see that lighter skin [here in the image]."
He was then asked by a reporter if it could be an image of a shark, to which he replied: "That's a 210ft shark."
He reportedly contacted the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National Transportation Safety Board about his findings but has not heard from them yet.

It's in very shallow water so they can quickly rule it out I am sure.

Also, it does not consider all the a Primary Radar returns or the Handshake pings.

[Paphitis]

Kikapu,

to answer your question there are actually 2 different devices and they work differently. You have Emergency Locator Transmitters which are the same as EPIRB and their signals are tracked by a constellation of SAR Satellites. These do not work underwater. They are manually set off or when there is an inertia trigger such as a major deceleration or crash.

Then you have Underwater Locator Beacons which are activated by inertia or when they detect water. These have to be detected by hydrophone. These are the devices that were detected underwater.

Thanks.

Did this clarify ANYTHING for you?

Perhaps rule out a Land Crash?

Yes, it has clarified everything for me.....thanks!

Yes, it does rule out land crash, not that it was really suggested by anyone. But it doesn't rule out normal landing on land, does it?

It also doesn't rule out the plane being shot down into the ocean (somewhere), does it?

It also rules out the aircraft breaking up on impact with the water in the Southern Indian Ocean, since the 4 pings picked up believing to be coming from the Black Boxes are coming from different locations, so how could the Black Boxes be in motion at the bottom of the sea? On top of which, there has not been one piece of hard evidence that the MH370 ever crashed into the Southern Indian Ocean and broke up into pieces.

The nearest answer I can come up with that can solve the above problems, is that, MH370 made a perfect ditching in the Southern Indian Ocean (after ALL the people on the plane were suffocated and died, except for the one(s) who did it) without losing any piece of the aircraft, not even a screw, as to the reason why there are no debris and as it sat there on the water like a power boat, the pilot in command opened one of the planes doors to allow the water to come into the aircraft to half fill the plane, enough to submerge the Black Boxes so to start the Underwater Locator Beacons to send the ping signals, and then he closed the door shut. The water then caused the plane to start sinking very very very slowly until it reached the bottom of the sea in about 4 weeks. This would explain why there are four different locators to what is believed by some to be the Black Boxes and because the batteries are now dead, no more pings can be detected from the bottom of the ocean. By now, under intense water pressure, the B-777 has cracked open like an egg and the whole aircraft is filled with water and as chance would have it, it has "glided" itself into the deepest point of the Ocean by reaching to the very deep end of very narrow but very deep canyons that must be well over 20,000 meters deep, as to why the wreckage can't be located or will it be ever found!

I tell you what. You find me just one possible route from the last fix and I will look at the primary radars along that route, explaining to you why it is not possible.

Unless this jet was flown like a fighter under 300FT, I simply can't see it. Not to mention the fact that it is damn near impossible to hide a B777 from the Americans or Russians and not only.

One more thing, it is not possible for the aircraft to ditch in one piece and no one has actually made such a wild a ludicrous claim. For starters, even in a perfect water ditch, the Engines would detach. Things like Lift Dumpers (spoilers), flaps, slats, and vertical and horizontal stabilizers would in all likelihood be ripped of by the force of all the water. But, the aircraft is considered in this state to have crashed intact as the fuselage would have maintained its structural integrity. The aircraft would of course have depressurized and as a result it will take on water. It will sink in minutes. In a crash situation, hopefully there is enough time to evacuate all the passengers and crew from the aircraft into the water and deploy the life rafts. Passengers will need to have a swim towards any life rafts.

Now that is what happens when everything runs perfectly. There is also a high probability that this will not be the case in which case the force of the impact and the deceleration will result in the aircraft breaking up entirely and of course the chances of survival are drastically diminished or impossible.

There is also a ULB attached to the fuselage on B777 and the tail section could detach. it is possible that they are a fair distance apart. The authorities have in fact detected 2 devices I have been told and I also believe that this will eventually come out in the wash with the publication of the preliminary report. Just wait for that.

[Pyrpolizer]

There is also a ULB attached to the fuselage on B777 and the tail section could detach. it is possible that they are a fair distance apart. The authorities have in fact detected 2 devices I have been told and I also believe that this will eventually come out in the wash with the publication of the preliminary report. Just wait for that.

Are you DRUNK again?
There are REASONS as to why ONLY ONE of specific specs can be used.

[Paphitis]

There is also a ULB attached to the fuselage on B777 and the tail section could detach. it is possible that they are a fair distance apart. The authorities have in fact detected 2 devices I have been told and I also believe that this will eventually come out in the wash with the publication of the preliminary report. Just wait for that.

Are you DRUNK again?
There are REASONS as to why ONLY ONE of specific specs can be used.

The Black Box is basically 2 separate units. One is a Flight Data Recorder (FDR) and the other is the Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR)!

Each unit has its own Underwater Locator Beacon (ULB)

Also, I have checked an Engineering manual and found out that their range underwater is up to 4.7nms or 9 kms.

I also found out that the recommendations of AF447 are being implemented. All new aircraft deliveries are fitted with ULBs that have a rated battery life of 90 days. Older aircraft must have them installed by 2020. This is an ICAO Air Directive. There will be more recommendations from the IIT of MH370 which will also be implemented.

Also, B777 have a ULB on the fuselage. They do this because the tail section can separate from the fuselage.

Are you DRUNK again?

No I am not drunk. I am trying to give you bozos some correct information so that you might learn something. You on the other hand only offer scatology!

Are you Drunk?

[Pyrpolizer]

Scatology is when you provide photos of 2 different MAKES of exactly the same unit .
Super scatology is when you claim changes have been implemented after AF447, whereas the fact is they will be implemented in (2015, 2018,and 2021)+6 and certainly NEVER implemented on MH370.

http://www.essayforum.com/writing-3/los ... ing-57063/

And do us all a favor and stop writing when you are drunk.

[Paphitis]

Scatology is when you provide photos of 2 different MAKES of exactly the same unit .
Super scatology is when you claim changes have been implemented after AF447, whereas the fact is they will be implemented in (2015, 2018,and 2021)+6 and certainly NEVER implemented on MH370.

http://www.essayforum.com/writing-3/los ... ing-57063/

And do us all a favor and stop writing when you are drunk.

Actually no! There are 2 Black Boxes. One is a CVR and the other is a FDR. The photo above is correct.

http://m.bbc.com/news/magazine-26721975

And each Black Box has a ULB. This is really basic stuff.

Furthermore, I am correct. All 30 day devices must be replaced with 90 day devices by 2020.

Some aircraft are already fitted out with the 90 day batteries and all new Boeing and Airbus deliveries only come with the new Black Boxes fitted to the higher standard.

http://www.airlineratings.com/news/266/ ... d-or-lost-

And yes, the IIT will publish its report on MH370 regardless of whether they find it or not, and in it will be new recommendations to improve aviation safety.