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[Paphitis]

This does NOT equate with finding AF447, sorry.

They found debris and bodies and yet it still took them 2 years to discover the wreckage on the ocean floor. This just highlights the difficulties associated with finding a wreckage 4000m below the surface and MH370 is even harder.

I'm sorry Paphitis, but that is a very arrogant statement coming from you regarding AF447. Debris of AF447, including 50 bodies were found within days of the crash, which means and I'm using the metaphor the Aussies started using and kept on using throughout the search of the Southern Indian Ocean for MH370, that they were looking for the "Haystack" before they can expect to find anything else first, when the "Haystack" of AF447 was found within few days. It was only looking for the “needle in the Haystack" (Black Boxes) that took 2 years to find, whereas, as soon as 4 suspicious pings were detected, you and your PM were jumping with joy that the Black Boxes were in fact found (not), even though the "Haystack" wasn't found then and hasn't been found since the disappearance of flight MH370. That’s why using AF447 as an example to MH370 is not appropriate because they are not related up to this point what so ever. In the case of the AF447, the searchers were chasing to find the Black Boxes after the “Haystack” was established, whereas in the case of MH370, the searchers are chasing to find the phantom “Haystack”. One “Haystack” was real to look for the Black Boxes and the other is based on questionable pings and questionable information placing the MH370 in the Southern Indian Ocean or “Haystack” if you like.

The aussies were telling you they were looking for a haystack and comparing to AF447 in order to outline how difficult this search is. The search for MH370 has been the most difficult and most expensive in Aviation history.

They have been saying for a very long time now that finding any debris now and even before after so much time was wasted searching in the wrong places is nearly impossible. They have just announced that they will now abandon the air search because they deem it extremely unlikely that debris will be found and that it will be too far away from the actual crash site to derive any benefit.

The search will continue beneath the depths for a very long time. The area of interest is a 700km by 80 km stretch which they deem to be the area of probable impact but first they are by no means finished with the 4 detections. Every square inch of this area will be searched by AUV and that is going to take a long time to do.

And you are wrong. They only found debris and bodies in AF447. The wreckage and consequently the Black Box was only found after 2 years of underwater searching. Do your research please!

Did you know, that the team that found AF447 after 2 years is actually on board ADV Ocean Shield?

[GreekIslandGirl]

This does NOT equate with finding AF447, sorry.

They found debris and bodies and yet it still took them 2 years to discover the wreckage on the ocean floor. This just highlights the difficulties associated with finding a wreckage 4000m below the surface and MH370 is even harder.

I'm sorry Paphitis, but that is a very arrogant statement coming from you regarding AF447. Debris of AF447, including 50 bodies were found within days of the crash, which means and I'm using the metaphor the Aussies started using and kept on using throughout the search of the Southern Indian Ocean for MH370, that they were looking for the "Haystack" before they can expect to find anything else first, when the "Haystack" of AF447 was found within few days. It was only looking for the “needle in the Haystack" (Black Boxes) that took 2 years to find, whereas, as soon as 4 suspicious pings were detected, you and your PM were jumping with joy that the Black Boxes were in fact found (not), even though the "Haystack" wasn't found then and hasn't been found since the disappearance of flight MH370. That’s why using AF447 as an example to MH370 is not appropriate because they are not related up to this point what so ever. In the case of the AF447, the searchers were chasing to find the Black Boxes after the “Haystack” was established, whereas in the case of MH370, the searchers are chasing to find the phantom “Haystack”. One “Haystack” was real to look for the Black Boxes and the other is based on questionable pings and questionable information placing the MH370 in the Southern Indian Ocean or “Haystack” if you like.

That's a crystal clear explanation, Kiks, but some people still seem unable to correctly tell the difference between finding something (i.e. knowing where it is) and retrieving something (i.e. being able to collect it).

When they eventually do find MH370 they may well use the same retrieval tactics as they did for AF447 - but that's assuming it's also deep/as deep in the ocean.

- So that's the end of AF447 comparisons - until/unless MH370 is found in an ocean.

Can we move on to any further news and interesting sidelines (like the military exercises identified by Pyro), now please, as there is nothing in the mainstream media.

[Paphitis]

This does NOT equate with finding AF447, sorry.

They found debris and bodies and yet it still took them 2 years to discover the wreckage on the ocean floor. This just highlights the difficulties associated with finding a wreckage 4000m below the surface and MH370 is even harder.

I'm sorry Paphitis, but that is a very arrogant statement coming from you regarding AF447. Debris of AF447, including 50 bodies were found within days of the crash, which means and I'm using the metaphor the Aussies started using and kept on using throughout the search of the Southern Indian Ocean for MH370, that they were looking for the "Haystack" before they can expect to find anything else first, when the "Haystack" of AF447 was found within few days. It was only looking for the “needle in the Haystack" (Black Boxes) that took 2 years to find, whereas, as soon as 4 suspicious pings were detected, you and your PM were jumping with joy that the Black Boxes were in fact found (not), even though the "Haystack" wasn't found then and hasn't been found since the disappearance of flight MH370. That’s why using AF447 as an example to MH370 is not appropriate because they are not related up to this point what so ever. In the case of the AF447, the searchers were chasing to find the Black Boxes after the “Haystack” was established, whereas in the case of MH370, the searchers are chasing to find the phantom “Haystack”. One “Haystack” was real to look for the Black Boxes and the other is based on questionable pings and questionable information placing the MH370 in the Southern Indian Ocean or “Haystack” if you like.

That's a crystal clear explanation, Kiks, but some people still seem unable to correctly tell the difference between finding something (i.e. knowing where it is) and retrieving something (i.e. being able to collect it).

When they eventually do find MH370 they may well use the same retrieval tactics as they did for AF447 - but that's assuming it's also deep/as deep in the ocean.

- So that's the end of AF447 comparisons - until/unless MH370 is found in an ocean.

Can we move on to any further news and interesting sidelines (like the military exercises identified by Pyro), now please, as there is nothing in the mainstream media.

You are both very wrong!

Finding debris does not actually mean you have located the wreckage.

Debris was found 5 days after AF447 crashed in 06 June 2009.

The wreckage was discovered in April 2011, nearly 2 years later.

The Black Box was discovered a month after that!

The first bits of debris were found on the ocean surface on June 6, five days after the crash. The bulk of the wreckage was located in April 2011, nearly two years later. The “black boxes” — the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder — were found a month after that. Only then could investigators form a complete picture of what brought down the plane.

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/malay ... ash-2014-3

You can see the photos released on 01 May 2011.

http://content.time.com/time/photogalle ... 53,00.html

I suggest both of you to really get serious and understand the basics because both of you are way off track and bloody stupid for even arguing what is basic knowledge that even a little kid can comprehend!

I have provided many credible sources, whereas the both of you have offered bollocks!

[Pyrpolizer]

This does NOT equate with finding AF447, sorry.

They found debris and bodies and yet it still took them 2 years to discover the wreckage on the ocean floor. This just highlights the difficulties associated with finding a wreckage 4000m below the surface and MH370 is even harder.

I'm sorry Paphitis, but that is a very arrogant statement coming from you regarding AF447. Debris of AF447, including 50 bodies were found within days of the crash, which means and I'm using the metaphor the Aussies started using and kept on using throughout the search of the Southern Indian Ocean for MH370, that they were looking for the "Haystack" before they can expect to find anything else first, when the "Haystack" of AF447 was found within few days. It was only looking for the “needle in the Haystack" (Black Boxes) that took 2 years to find, whereas, as soon as 4 suspicious pings were detected, you and your PM were jumping with joy that the Black Boxes were in fact found (not), even though the "Haystack" wasn't found then and hasn't been found since the disappearance of flight MH370. That’s why using AF447 as an example to MH370 is not appropriate because they are not related up to this point what so ever. In the case of the AF447, the searchers were chasing to find the Black Boxes after the “Haystack” was established, whereas in the case of MH370, the searchers are chasing to find the phantom “Haystack”. One “Haystack” was real to look for the Black Boxes and the other is based on questionable pings and questionable information placing the MH370 in the Southern Indian Ocean or “Haystack” if you like.

That's a crystal clear explanation, Kiks, but some people still seem unable to correctly tell the difference between finding something (i.e. knowing where it is) and retrieving something (i.e. being able to collect it).

When they eventually do find MH370 they may well use the same retrieval tactics as they did for AF447 - but that's assuming it's also deep/as deep in the ocean.

- So that's the end of AF447 comparisons - until/unless MH370 is found in an ocean.

Can we move on to any further news and interesting sidelines (like the military exercises identified by Pyro), now please, as there is nothing in the mainstream media.

No my dear we CANNOT move. The whole topic has been hijacked a long time ago.
You are "stupid", Kikapu is "stupid", I am "stupid", erm sorry I am "vlakas". My apologies but I cannot continue at this disgusting and irritating level where each and every reply by Paphitis starts with a No, or No you are wrong and all that stuff.
The topic was always "What happened to flight MH370?" You ALL (me included) should say it "happened just like the officials say". Put a full stop and let Pahitis talk to himself.

I personally LOST INTEREST.

[Paphitis]

This does NOT equate with finding AF447, sorry.

They found debris and bodies and yet it still took them 2 years to discover the wreckage on the ocean floor. This just highlights the difficulties associated with finding a wreckage 4000m below the surface and MH370 is even harder.

I'm sorry Paphitis, but that is a very arrogant statement coming from you regarding AF447. Debris of AF447, including 50 bodies were found within days of the crash, which means and I'm using the metaphor the Aussies started using and kept on using throughout the search of the Southern Indian Ocean for MH370, that they were looking for the "Haystack" before they can expect to find anything else first, when the "Haystack" of AF447 was found within few days. It was only looking for the “needle in the Haystack" (Black Boxes) that took 2 years to find, whereas, as soon as 4 suspicious pings were detected, you and your PM were jumping with joy that the Black Boxes were in fact found (not), even though the "Haystack" wasn't found then and hasn't been found since the disappearance of flight MH370. That’s why using AF447 as an example to MH370 is not appropriate because they are not related up to this point what so ever. In the case of the AF447, the searchers were chasing to find the Black Boxes after the “Haystack” was established, whereas in the case of MH370, the searchers are chasing to find the phantom “Haystack”. One “Haystack” was real to look for the Black Boxes and the other is based on questionable pings and questionable information placing the MH370 in the Southern Indian Ocean or “Haystack” if you like.

That's a crystal clear explanation, Kiks, but some people still seem unable to correctly tell the difference between finding something (i.e. knowing where it is) and retrieving something (i.e. being able to collect it).

When they eventually do find MH370 they may well use the same retrieval tactics as they did for AF447 - but that's assuming it's also deep/as deep in the ocean.

- So that's the end of AF447 comparisons - until/unless MH370 is found in an ocean.

Can we move on to any further news and interesting sidelines (like the military exercises identified by Pyro), now please, as there is nothing in the mainstream media.

No my dear we CANNOT move. The whole topic has been hijacked a long time ago.
You are "stupid", Kikapu is "stupid", I am "stupid", erm sorry I am "vlakas". My apologies but I cannot continue at this disgusting and irritating level where each and every reply by Paphitis starts with a No, or No you are wrong and all that stuff.
The topic was always "What happened to flight MH370?" You ALL (me included) should say it "happened just like the officials say". Put a full stop and let Pahitis talk to himself.

I personally LOST INTEREST.

First of all Pyro, there is simply no argument against fact! It is documented for all to see and arguing about a very simple fact as to when they discovered the wreckage of AF447 as opposed to just finding debris on the ocean's surface is downright stupid.

Where is it that I am wrong? Was AF447 found in April 2011 or not? If not then bloody well prove it with credible evidence that they found the wreckage earlier!

What is wrong with that one might ask?

[Paphitis]

Come on anyone!

Was AF447 discovered in April 2011 or not?

[Paphitis]

Here is a copy of the Official Report on the crash of AF447.

http://www.bea.aero/en/enquetes/flight. ... hase.5.php

Here are all the details of the AF447 search chronology beginning in June 2009.

http://www.bea.aero/en/enquetes/flight. ... en.mer.php

And here is the full report on the AF447 crash!

http://www.bea.aero/en/enquetes/flight. ... nal.en.php

Sea Search Operations
Phase 4 : 25 March - 9 April 2011

The work carried out by the BEA with the assistance of Metron made it possible to implement a new search strategy: a systematic exploration of a remaining area of 10,000 km2 by the Alucia, equipped with three Remus 6000 autonomous underwater vehicles (AUV).

The BEA gave operational responsibility for this fourth campaign to the American WHOI oceanographic institution. On Sunday 3 April 2011, nine days after its arrival in the search area, the team from the Alucia detected and localised the wreckage of the aeroplane.

Now out up or shut up!

[Pyrpolizer]

This does NOT equate with finding AF447, sorry.

They found debris and bodies and yet it still took them 2 years to discover the wreckage on the ocean floor. This just highlights the difficulties associated with finding a wreckage 4000m below the surface and MH370 is even harder.

I'm sorry Paphitis, but that is a very arrogant statement coming from you regarding AF447. Debris of AF447, including 50 bodies were found within days of the crash, which means and I'm using the metaphor the Aussies started using and kept on using throughout the search of the Southern Indian Ocean for MH370, that they were looking for the "Haystack" before they can expect to find anything else first, when the "Haystack" of AF447 was found within few days. It was only looking for the “needle in the Haystack" (Black Boxes) that took 2 years to find, whereas, as soon as 4 suspicious pings were detected, you and your PM were jumping with joy that the Black Boxes were in fact found (not), even though the "Haystack" wasn't found then and hasn't been found since the disappearance of flight MH370. That’s why using AF447 as an example to MH370 is not appropriate because they are not related up to this point what so ever. In the case of the AF447, the searchers were chasing to find the Black Boxes after the “Haystack” was established, whereas in the case of MH370, the searchers are chasing to find the phantom “Haystack”. One “Haystack” was real to look for the Black Boxes and the other is based on questionable pings and questionable information placing the MH370 in the Southern Indian Ocean or “Haystack” if you like.

That's a crystal clear explanation, Kiks, but some people still seem unable to correctly tell the difference between finding something (i.e. knowing where it is) and retrieving something (i.e. being able to collect it).

When they eventually do find MH370 they may well use the same retrieval tactics as they did for AF447 - but that's assuming it's also deep/as deep in the ocean.

- So that's the end of AF447 comparisons - until/unless MH370 is found in an ocean.

Can we move on to any further news and interesting sidelines (like the military exercises identified by Pyro), now please, as there is nothing in the mainstream media.

No my dear we CANNOT move. The whole topic has been hijacked a long time ago.
You are "stupid", Kikapu is "stupid", I am "stupid", erm sorry I am "vlakas". My apologies but I cannot continue at this disgusting and irritating level where each and every reply by Paphitis starts with a No, or No you are wrong and all that stuff.
The topic was always "What happened to flight MH370?" You ALL (me included) should say it "happened just like the officials say". Put a full stop and let Pahitis talk to himself.

I personally LOST INTEREST.

First of all Pyro, there is simply no argument against fact! It is documented for all to see and arguing about a very simple fact as to when they discovered the wreckage of AF447 as opposed to just finding debris on the ocean's surface is downright stupid.

Where is it that I am wrong? Was AF447 found in April 2011 or not? If not then bloody well prove it with credible evidence that they found the wreckage earlier!

What is wrong with that one might ask?

IRRELEVANT!! Spot the point first...

And yes, I lost interest. Continue talking to yourself

[Paphitis]

Here is a copy of the Official Report on the crash of AF447.

http://www.bea.aero/en/enquetes/flight. ... hase.5.php

Here are all the details of the AF447 search chronology beginning in June 2009.

http://www.bea.aero/en/enquetes/flight. ... en.mer.php

And here is the full report on the AF447 crash!

http://www.bea.aero/en/enquetes/flight. ... nal.en.php

Sea Search Operations
Phase 4 : 25 March - 9 April 2011

The work carried out by the BEA with the assistance of Metron made it possible to implement a new search strategy: a systematic exploration of a remaining area of 10,000 km2 by the Alucia, equipped with three Remus 6000 autonomous underwater vehicles (AUV).

The BEA gave operational responsibility for this fourth campaign to the American WHOI oceanographic institution. On Sunday 3 April 2011, nine days after its arrival in the search area, the team from the Alucia detected and localised the wreckage of the aeroplane.

Now out up or shut up!

Oh no it is not irrelevant at all!

Have a look at all these reliable links to official reports and compare that to your stupid nonsense!

[Paphitis]

Here is a copy of the Official Report on the crash of AF447.

http://www.bea.aero/en/enquetes/flight. ... hase.5.php

Here are all the details of the AF447 search chronology beginning in June 2009.

http://www.bea.aero/en/enquetes/flight. ... en.mer.php

And here is the full report on the AF447 crash!

http://www.bea.aero/en/enquetes/flight. ... nal.en.php

Sea Search Operations
Phase 4 : 25 March - 9 April 2011

The work carried out by the BEA with the assistance of Metron made it possible to implement a new search strategy: a systematic exploration of a remaining area of 10,000 km2 by the Alucia, equipped with three Remus 6000 autonomous underwater vehicles (AUV).

The BEA gave operational responsibility for this fourth campaign to the American WHOI oceanographic institution. On Sunday 3 April 2011, nine days after its arrival in the search area, the team from the Alucia detected and localised the wreckage of the aeroplane.

Now put up or shut up!