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[Pyrpolizer]

I think by now I have reached my own conclusions.
The plane has been shot down by the Americans while approaching the Diego Garcia military base.
The Americans themselves are trying to blur the issue.

Where do I base my opinion? Simply because it is absolutely impossible for a plane to fly for whole 7 hours without the American NSA systems having tracked it second by second. As it approached the base, military jets lifted up to check it out. It did not respond to their calls. SHOT IT DOWN. Case over.

No it is not impossible at all and you should know better.

As I told you before, having the capability does not mean anyone was watching or paying any attention. And furthermore, the aircraft would not be shot down for approaching Diego Garcia. In fact Diego Garcia can be used as an Alternate by Airliners if they need it.

Is that impossible or possible

[Paphitis]

I think by now I have reached my own conclusions.
The plane has been shot down by the Americans while approaching the Diego Garcia military base.
The Americans themselves are trying to blur the issue.

Where do I base my opinion? Simply because it is absolutely impossible for a plane to fly for whole 7 hours without the American NSA systems having tracked it second by second. As it approached the base, military jets lifted up to check it out. It did not respond to their calls. SHOT IT DOWN. Case over.

No it is not impossible at all and you should know better.

As I told you before, having the capability does not mean anyone was watching or paying any attention. And furthermore, the aircraft would not be shot down for approaching Diego Garcia. In fact Diego Garcia can be used as an Alternate by Airliners if they need it.

Is that impossible or possible

Sorry, I was meant to say that it is not possible. I don't believe the Americans would shoot it down like that.

[Pyrpolizer]

I think by now I have reached my own conclusions.
The plane has been shot down by the Americans while approaching the Diego Garcia military base.
The Americans themselves are trying to blur the issue.

Where do I base my opinion? Simply because it is absolutely impossible for a plane to fly for whole 7 hours without the American NSA systems having tracked it second by second. As it approached the base, military jets lifted up to check it out. It did not respond to their calls. SHOT IT DOWN. Case over.

No it is not possible at all and you should know better.

As I told you before, having the capability does not mean anyone was watching or paying any attention. And furthermore, the aircraft would not be shot down for approaching Diego Garcia. In fact Diego Garcia can be used as an Alternate by Airliners if they need it.

Really?? Heading towards one of the most important military bases, most possibly targeting it as well with 120 tons of whatever it was carrying, not responding to any communication etc etc. You must be joking really. I know you said they are not "paying attention" This doesn't mean you are right. We are talking of a highly sophisticated base , with tracking systems you or anyone else is not even aware of.

In any case that's the most reasonable explanation I can think of, given all the information I 've read. You are free to continue believing the simple explanation of a sudden and uncontrollable fire.

And stop underestimate other peoples opinions.

NB. For your information the same would have happened to Helios plane should it continue uncontrollable for another minute .They would have shot it down. Read the testimonies of the Greek Jet fighters. This is a FACT. Despite this FACT though, rumors suggested that in reality they did push it down by directing their exhaust gases from top.

[Paphitis]

Oh for crying out loud Pyrpolizer. Diego Garcia is no more important than hundreds of other installations and the Yanks have a number of installations. The biggest asset at Diego Garcia is the runway and there is not much a B777 can do to that which can't be fixed within days.

And the Yanks are not about to shoot down an airliner around Diego Garcia for now reason and expect to keep that a secret from Russian and Chinese surveillance. The Russians and Putin would have a field day to say the least because Putin would look for anything like that to sink his boots in.

Just plain stupid Pyro!

I highly doubt there was a fire of any kind. And you make it easy to not be taken seriously in this instance because you are buying into all the rubbish like that Mr, Goodfellow who came up with some strange ideas not to mention the media which has reacted irresponsibly with the most absurd articles and theories.

[Oceanside50]

if the russians, americans or chinese start blurring out what happened to the plane, wouldn't they also be revealing their surveillance capabilities? There is probably a lot we are not hearing.

[Paphitis]

if the russians, americans or chinese start blurring out what happened to the plane, wouldn't they also be revealing their surveillance capabilities? There is probably a lot we are not hearing.

Yes there is a lot you would not be hearing. The Chinese have also detected the debris in the Southern Ocean and now the Chinese and Japanese are joining the search with US, Australia and NZ. Something has been sighted for sure at least by the Satellites.

[Kikapu]

if the russians, americans or chinese start blurring out what happened to the plane, wouldn't they also be revealing their surveillance capabilities? There is probably a lot we are not hearing.

Yes there is a lot you would not be hearing. The Chinese have also detected the debris in the Southern Ocean and now the Chinese and Japanese are joining the search with US, Australia and NZ. Something has been sighted for sure at least by the Satellites.

Paphitis, this has been bothering me now for the last 2-3 days since the possible debris sightings by the satellites in the southern Indian Ocean. They have even given us the size of the objects and pictures of it, but when they send search planes to find it, it is not there, but then it re appears again on another satellite sightings. Surely, when the pictures of the debris are taken by the satellite, its location is also known with its Latitude and Longitude to the minute, if not to the second. Therefore, the debris is no longer in the vast Indian Ocean to be searched, since they are now in a very specific location to search, despite slight changes of its exact location due to currents. In the 5-6 hours flight from Perth to where the debris are sighted, a large piece of anything at 12mx24m shouldn't be too difficult to find once you know the Lat-Long coordinates from the time last pictures were taken by the satellite. Why can't they still find it with the search planes?

[Paphitis]

Kikapu,

they have not found it now as we speak as far as we know, but that does not mean they will not find it. I believe they will.

So why have they not found it yet? For a variety of reasons. The debris is constantly moving with the current and out there you get effected by weather and sea swell. The seas can get quite lumpy and with "snow caps". The debris is also semi-submerged

The aircraft being used hunt submarines. They have Magnetic Anomaly Detection for detecting big hunks of steel beneath the waves. If the debris is from MH370, and has any markings on it, such as MAS then they may have already identified the debris as belonging to MH370, but the Americans, Australians or the Chinese will ever reveal that.

Some sections of B777 are Carbon Fibre and would float no problem. However, they can't be picked up by MAD.

So they rely on FLIR and the naked eye. A search, despite all the gadgetry, is as rudimentary as flying a Grid Search Pattern. Fly 000 for a minute, 090 for a minute, 180 for 2 minutes, 270 for 2 minutes, 000 for 3 minutes. They are in the search area for about 4 hours. Transit to and from the search area is about 8 hours. Then, it's all down to Observers looking out the window with binoculars and looking at the FLIR. They been using that technique since the beginning of aviation. Some things just don't change after all despite the technology. The cost of the search in the Southern Ocean just in the last 4 days has exceeded over 100 million. Australian tax payers have foot over half of the total bill.

They can in fact fly over the top of it. It is quite hard when there is a swell, and they do vary their altitude between 300 and 2000FT. Lower levels give shallow field of vision and you move over the water quite quick. At higher levels you can see more, but the ocean surface looks like a mosaic of "white caps".

[Paphitis]

The French Authorities have just admitted that they have also found the debris.

http://m.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26705073

[Kikapu]

Kikapu,

they have not found it now as we speak as far as we know, but that does not mean they will not find it. I believe they will.

So why have they not found it yet? For a variety of reasons. The debris is constantly moving with the current and out there you get effected by weather and sea swell. The seas can get quite lumpy and with "snow caps". The debris is also semi-submerged

The aircraft being used hunt submarines. They have Magnetic Anomaly Detection for detecting big hunks of steel beneath the waves. If the debris is from MH370, and has any markings on it, such as MAS then they may have already identified the debris as belonging to MH370, but the Americans, Australians or the Chinese will ever reveal that.

Some sections of B777 are Carbon Fibre and would float no problem. However, they can't be picked up by MAD.

So they rely on FLIR and the naked eye. A search, despite all the gadgetry, is as rudimentary as flying a Grid Search Pattern. Fly 000 for a minute, 090 for a minute, 180 for 2 minutes, 270 for 2 minutes, 000 for 3 minutes. They are in the search area for about 4 hours. Transit to and from the search area is about 8 hours. Then, it's all down to Observers looking out the window with binoculars and looking at the FLIR. They been using that technique since the beginning of aviation. Some things just don't change after all despite the technology. The cost of the search in the Southern Ocean just in the last 4 days has exceeded over 100 million. Australian tax payers have foot over half of the total bill.

They can in fact fly over the top of it. It is quite hard when there is a swell, and they do vary their altitude between 300 and 2000FT. Lower levels give shallow field of vision and you move over the water quite quick. At higher levels you can see more, but the ocean surface looks like a mosaic of "white caps".

I understand all of you have written, but you have not addressed the LAT-LONG coordinates that must come with any new satellite sightings and time. From that point, it's not so difficult to work out how far the object will move based on current strength and direction at any given time. I also know that this area have heavy seas and winds, and if the plane did crash in this area, I doubt they can ever recover the black boxes.

One other thing. What part of the B-777 possible be a piece that can be 12m x 24m and float? The wing? Fuselage? That's a large piece to remain intact had the plane crashed into the sea at high speed.