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[Pyrpolizer]

I live in Cyprus Pyro - but what difference does it make? Am I any less Cypriot in the case of living abroad or are my views any less valuable because of it?

Please calculate everything, then negotiate with your TC partners (like VP who, speaks for the average TC, his side kick bordo and that musky-jodu).

Then tell the rest of us Kypreoi what the shares are (intangible, tangible) and how much we have to pay.

I also live in Cyprus. The reason I asked is to avoid explaining things that an expat might not be fully aware of.
Second most important is that the forum is not representative of anyone's real character or views. Unless I meet VP, or Lordo or you or anyone else in real life I will not be sure what each one of you stands for.

I will continue later...

[Maximus]

I live in Cyprus Pyro - but what difference does it make? Am I any less Cypriot in the case of living abroad or are my views any less valuable because of it?

Please calculate everything, then negotiate with your TC partners (like VP who, speaks for the average TC, his side kick bordo and that musky-jodu).

Then tell the rest of us Kypreoi what the shares are (intangible, tangible) and how much we have to pay.

I also live in Cyprus. The reason I asked is to avoid explaining things that an expat might not be fully aware of.
Second most important is that the forum is not representative of anyone's real character or views. Unless I meet VP, or Lordo or you or anyone else in real life I will not be sure what each one of you stands for.

I will continue later...

Pyro,

I know you mean well and your heart is in the right place, but you are flogging a dead horse.

My initial response, a few posts back was very reasonable. cyprus41855-50.html#p783063

[Pyrpolizer]

I live in Cyprus Pyro - but what difference does it make? Am I any less Cypriot in the case of living abroad or are my views any less valuable because of it?

Please calculate everything, then negotiate with your TC partners (like VP who, speaks for the average TC, his side kick bordo and that musky-jodu).

Then tell the rest of us Kypreoi what the shares are (intangible, tangible) and how much we have to pay.

I also live in Cyprus. The reason I asked is to avoid explaining things that an expat might not be fully aware of.
Second most important is that the forum is not representative of anyone's real character or views. Unless I meet VP, or Lordo or you or anyone else in real life I will not be sure what each one of you stands for.

I will continue later...

Pyro,

I know you mean well and your heart is in the right place, but you are flogging a dead horse.

My initial response, a few posts back was very reasonable. cyprus41855-50.html#p783063

It's Ok Maximus to keep things simple as per your referenced previous post. The question is what chances do you have to achieve it, given the fact that you have to agree it with the Kibrislis and Turkey who in turn will also put down their own simple things.

I am pro a solution in which both sides will lose something from their own "simple" things. I am convinced the latest joint declaration provides the framework for such a solution.So yes we will lose say 25-30% from our ideal, the Kibislis will lose about the same, but still it's going to be a win-win situation.

I ve' gone back to check what was the disagreement about sharing. Much to my regret all disagreement was based on assumptions.
My view of "sharing" is that of the exact sharing that exists in every Federal Country. Therefore I believe it's pointless to discuss this "sharing" out of the context of a BBF solution. So one has to define how he envisions this BBF to be acceptable to him, and then talk about what, and how, and to what degree, he shares.

Now if you tell me that hoping that we will ever agree on a BBF solution is like " flogging a dead horse" I have to admit you are right.

[B25]

The Kibrislis have ZERO National dept, because they are not a recognized country. How much is the National Dept of the RoC? How much do we owe the Troika? How much deep into dept is Bank of Cyprus?

This is BS, they may have what you call 'ZERO NATIONAL DEBT', firstly they are pimped by Turkey to stay afloat. Then they live in a shit hole with poor everything as they don't have the money to spend. Perhaps more importantly I take offence that you should refer to their 'NATIONAL' as if they exist as a country.

Seems to me your TC mates are getting the best of you and you have become a mouth piece for them. Perhaps we should just call you VP2??? The TCs don't own anything to share, sure they can live in Cyprus, but that's as far as it goes. What sacrifices have they made economically or other for the RoC to get to where it is today, it's bank crisis aside??? Sweet FA, and they want to come along and 'share' FFS.
What a crock of shit, seriously Pyro, we have Kurupetos for the laughs don't need another one.

[Maximus]

If you want to draw a little imaginary line across the island, so 90K VP's can administer the north, while making halloumi in red/white pajamas with the crescent and star motif, getting high on Cypriot gas. OK. What's the difference? Even under a unitary state, everyone gets the same freedoms.

Lets move on to shares and the chances of achieving and coming to an agreement.....

[Viewpoint]

The Kibrislis have ZERO National dept, because they are not a recognized country. How much is the National Dept of the RoC? How much do we owe the Troika? How much deep into dept is Bank of Cyprus?

This is BS, they may have what you call 'ZERO NATIONAL DEBT', firstly they are pimped by Turkey to stay afloat. Then they live in a shit hole with poor everything as they don't have the money to spend. Perhaps more importantly I take offence that you should refer to their 'NATIONAL' as if they exist as a country.

Seems to me your TC mates are getting the best of you and you have become a mouth piece for them. Perhaps we should just call you VP2??? The TCs don't own anything to share, sure they can live in Cyprus, but that's as far as it goes. What sacrifices have they made economically or other for the RoC to get to where it is today, it's bank crisis aside??? Sweet FA, and they want to come along and 'share' FFS.
What a crock of shit, seriously Pyro, we have Kurupetos for the laughs don't need another one.

Are you for real we are joint owner of 100% Cyprus, didnt anyone bother to tell you?

[Maximus]

The Kibrislis have ZERO National dept, because they are not a recognized country. How much is the National Dept of the RoC? How much do we owe the Troika? How much deep into dept is Bank of Cyprus?

This is BS, they may have what you call 'ZERO NATIONAL DEBT', firstly they are pimped by Turkey to stay afloat. Then they live in a shit hole with poor everything as they don't have the money to spend. Perhaps more importantly I take offence that you should refer to their 'NATIONAL' as if they exist as a country.

Seems to me your TC mates are getting the best of you and you have become a mouth piece for them. Perhaps we should just call you VP2??? The TCs don't own anything to share, sure they can live in Cyprus, but that's as far as it goes. What sacrifices have they made economically or other for the RoC to get to where it is today, it's bank crisis aside??? Sweet FA, and they want to come along and 'share' FFS.
What a crock of shit, seriously Pyro, we have Kurupetos for the laughs don't need another one.

Are you for real we are joint owner of 100% Cyprus, didnt anyone bother to tell you?

VP, here you are with much to say about nothing.

Please calculate your share and tell the rest of us Kypreoi how much we have to pay your people. Would you accept payment in bananas?

[Pyrpolizer]

The Kibrislis have ZERO National dept, because they are not a recognized country. How much is the National Dept of the RoC? How much do we owe the Troika? How much deep into dept is Bank of Cyprus?

This is BS, they may have what you call 'ZERO NATIONAL DEBT', firstly they are pimped by Turkey to stay afloat. Then they live in a shit hole with poor everything as they don't have the money to spend. Perhaps more importantly I take offence that you should refer to their 'NATIONAL' as if they exist as a country.

Seems to me your TC mates are getting the best of you and you have become a mouth piece for them. Perhaps we should just call you VP2??? The TCs don't own anything to share, sure they can live in Cyprus, but that's as far as it goes. What sacrifices have they made economically or other for the RoC to get to where it is today, it's bank crisis aside??? Sweet FA, and they want to come along and 'share' FFS.
What a crock of shit, seriously Pyro, we have Kurupetos for the laughs don't need another one.

I would really be happy if you laughed at what I said.
That would at least be a sign of health. With this total frustration though ... I don't know.

The truth is that by 2012 our National Dept was 19.7 billion.
http://countryeconomy.com/national-debt/cyprus
Add to that the 20 billion we owe to Troika.
This means each newborn child in Cyprus owes 40-60, 000 Euros from the very first day it comes to life.

Exactly the same amount will be loaded on each and every Kibrisli in case of a solution.
Happy now?

[Maximus]

The Kibrislis have ZERO National dept, because they are not a recognized country. How much is the National Dept of the RoC? How much do we owe the Troika? How much deep into dept is Bank of Cyprus?

This is BS, they may have what you call 'ZERO NATIONAL DEBT', firstly they are pimped by Turkey to stay afloat. Then they live in a shit hole with poor everything as they don't have the money to spend. Perhaps more importantly I take offence that you should refer to their 'NATIONAL' as if they exist as a country.

Seems to me your TC mates are getting the best of you and you have become a mouth piece for them. Perhaps we should just call you VP2??? The TCs don't own anything to share, sure they can live in Cyprus, but that's as far as it goes. What sacrifices have they made economically or other for the RoC to get to where it is today, it's bank crisis aside??? Sweet FA, and they want to come along and 'share' FFS.
What a crock of shit, seriously Pyro, we have Kurupetos for the laughs don't need another one.

I would really be happy if you laughed at what I said.
That would at least be a sign of health. With this total frustration though ... I don't know.

The truth is that by 2012 our National Dept was 19.7 billion.
http://countryeconomy.com/national-debt/cyprus
Add to that the 20 billion we owe to Troika.
This means each newborn child in Cyprus owes 40-60, 000 Euros from the very first day it comes to life.

Exactly the same amount will be loaded on each and every Kibrisli in case of a solution.
Happy now?

They know the price of everything but the value of nothing and for sure, they will and are paying the price, but they don't know how to start counting the cost's.

Its cheaper moving to Turkey and they also get peace of mind at no extra cost.......

[Pyrpolizer]

Are you for real we are joint owner of 100% Cyprus, didnt anyone bother to tell you?

And so are the Kypreoi VP. So how come they are denied their human rights/properties/homes/ in 37% of Cyprus?
Could it be because your community trusted a foreign country for it's well being, and can't find a way out of the mess it created?