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Pyro over the years your posts have matured and you make a lot of sense, do you think they will actually find a solution this time around? and do the majority of GCs know what BBF is and sharing power? and do the majority of TCs know what BBF is and sharing power?

I added some extra quote to your question to give a more complete answer.
In short the answers are:
a)Yes (but the agreement will be with Turkey not the Tcs) b)Partially and c)partially.

It appears from tis side of the divide that the majority of GCs are against a BBF and sharing, am I right?

[Maximus]

What really striked me was his remark that the Kypreoi never understood and actually totally disregarded the FACT that the Kibrisli community in Cyprus never ever accepted that they were a minority.

They have the right to fantasize anything they want but they shouldn’t expect us to go along with their delusions… especially when their fantasies are at our expense!

The best I can offer them is a recount.

How exactly are they at "our" expense and it is not going to be at "their" expense as well?
Be reasonable here.Perhaps you can't imagine what it would mean economically for the smaller part of the Federation to raise taxes to pay all those who at Fed level will be in equal numbers....

The republic of Cyprus is going to clean everything up at the republic of Cyprus's expense anyway (minus peace dividend). I don't think they want to be a part of that and they are not planning on incurring expenses to solve the cyprob. I cant see Turkey agreeing to pay Cyprus compensation either.

I am a big fan of keeping things simple. Turkey has to withdraw, while taking her settlers back at her own expense. Cyprus should be a democratic unitary state in the EU, taking care of its citizens, their right to property, freedoms etc, at their own expense.

For the TC's, its a choice out of Turkey or Cyprus and helping to restore and fix it (confidence building measure) as well as respect the rights of the majority. They have to be democratic and civil.

This is reasonable.

So what you offer is minority rights in a GC run unitary state. Do you really think TCs will buy this? they could have this tomorrow by moving South but they dont...you have to realize that you cannot force anyone to accept your solution, while everyone including your leaders have accepted and are negotiating BBF you harp on about the GC utopian dream of a GC state with TCs as just some minority. You may want to stay stuck in your mindset but everyone else has moved on and understood that we are partners not majority minority as you demand....dont you thinks it time you to grasped whats going on around right now in 2014?

What are your leaders offering the GC's Viewpoint? Water from Turkey? Do you really think they will buy this?

What do you want from the GC's in return for this?

[Viewpoint]

We are willing to share everything are you? in the not to distant future water will be the most sought after natural resource.

[boulio]

So everyone gets their homes?or we share this to ?

[Viewpoint]

So everyone gets their homes?or we share this to ?

Of course where its physically possible people will get their property rights thats a type of sharing as well, do you support this?

[Maximus]

If they wanted water the GC's could buy it from the cheapest partner but;

does everyone get their vote or do they share that with you too?

What about the gas? do you chip in or do they just share that with you?

What about the EU, just share that with you too?

what about Varosha, are you going to share the expense of fixing it up or are they just going to share direct trade with you instead until its fixed, then share it with you as well?

What about the haircut bailin/bailout debt, do you share that burden in equal proportion as an equal partner too?

Can you tell, how you will share Cyprus out?

[Viewpoint]

If they wanted water the GC's could buy it from the cheapest partner but;

does everyone get their vote or do they share that with you too?

What about the gas? do you chip in or do they just share that with you too?

What about the EU, just share that with you too?

what about Varosha, are you going to share the expense or are they just going to share direct trade with you instead?

What about the haircut bailin/bailout debt, do you share that burden in equal proportion as an equal partner too?

Can you tell, how you will share Cyprus out too?

You should go do some research on how to share;

Water YES
Gas YES
EU YES
Varosha/Maraş YES
If you share our debt we will share yours YES
Which one do you not want to share?

[Maximus]

If they wanted water the GC's could buy it from the cheapest partner but;

does everyone get their vote or do they share that with you too?

What about the gas? do you chip in or do they just share that with you too?

What about the EU, just share that with you too?

what about Varosha, are you going to share the expense or are they just going to share direct trade with you instead?

What about the haircut bailin/bailout debt, do you share that burden in equal proportion as an equal partner too?

Can you tell, how you will share Cyprus out too?

You should go do some research on how to share;

Water YES
Gas YES
EU YES
Varosha/Maraş YES
If you share our debt we will share yours YES
Which one do you not want to share?

water - probably not,
You missed one! - no vote.???
Gas - pay up and Turkey withdraws
EU - The TC's do not qualify yet
Varosha - Turkey should release it already and pay up
Property - give everything back.
Settlers and aliens - go back to Turkey
debt - put your money in the pot.
Cyprus - all of it.

[Pyrpolizer]

Pyro over the years your posts have matured and you make a lot of sense, do you think they will actually find a solution this time around? and do the majority of GCs know what BBF is and sharing power? and do the majority of TCs know what BBF is and sharing power?

I added some extra quote to your question to give a more complete answer.
In short the answers are:
a)Yes (but the agreement will be with Turkey not the Tcs) b)Partially and c)partially.

It appears from tis side of the divide that the majority of GCs are against a BBF and sharing, am I right?

That's upto you to find out VP. Associate with Kypreoi LIVING in Cyprus more and you will learn all about it.
Don't judge from what is told in this forum, people from both sides use it to take out their bitterness.
One thing I can assure you of is that the Cyprob stopped been in the minds of most Kypreoi. Simply put it's been some 3-4 years that the number one priority for most Kypreoi is how to survive given the ongoing economic crisis.

[Viewpoint]

Pyro over the years your posts have matured and you make a lot of sense, do you think they will actually find a solution this time around? and do the majority of GCs know what BBF is and sharing power? and do the majority of TCs know what BBF is and sharing power?

I added some extra quote to your question to give a more complete answer.
In short the answers are:
a)Yes (but the agreement will be with Turkey not the Tcs) b)Partially and c)partially.

It appears from tis side of the divide that the majority of GCs are against a BBF and sharing, am I right?

That's upto you to find out VP. Associate with Kypreoi LIVING in Cyprus more and you will learn all about it.
Don't judge from what is told in this forum, people from both sides use it to take out their bitterness.
One thing I can assure you of is that the Cyprob stopped been in the minds of most Kypreoi. Simply put it's been some 3-4 years that the number one priority for most Kypreoi is how to survive given the ongoing economic crisis.

I agree 100% the Cyprus issue after AP has just not been that important, economical survival is much more important, no one in the North really believes anything will come of this round of talks as the subjects have been discussed to death and it all seems very fake, these issues could be decided in a few hours of overtime and declared the next day. The only component which is shedding postive light is the gas, the big boys want it so they will bring about a solution only thing is are our leader clever enough to stop bickering and work closely on a plan that will address the majority of barriers on both sides and why are these negotiations being carried out by just one individual and not the committees we had during the AP?