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[Viewpoint]

your blindness in demanding enosis was the reason you lost your properties and the sooner you come to terms with it the better it will be for everyone concerned.

what is this rubbish gibberish.

Your blindness in opposing enosis was the reason why you invaded, murdered, raped, destroyed and stole. The sooner you come to terms with it the better it will be for everyone concerned.

If you try to impose you will on someone you cannot blame them for fighting back with all their strength.

[Maximus]

your blindness in demanding enosis was the reason you lost your properties and the sooner you come to terms with it the better it will be for everyone concerned.

what is this rubbish gibberish.

Your blindness in opposing enosis was the reason why you invaded, murdered, raped, destroyed and stole. The sooner you come to terms with it the better it will be for everyone concerned.

If you try to impose you will on someone you cannot blame them for fighting back with all their strength.

This is an oxymoron coming from an ex-ottoman/neo-ottoman oppressor. It is just so false and deluded that it is no wonder that no one recognizes the "TRNC".

Don't you get it, your blindness made you invade, ethnically cleanse, commit atrocities and now you are trying to justify it, to try and keep other peoples property through lies, identity fraud and Turkish propaganda.

[kurupetos]

your blindness in demanding enosis was the reason you lost your properties and the sooner you come to terms with it the better it will be for everyone concerned.

what is this rubbish gibberish.

Your blindness in opposing enosis was the reason why you invaded, murdered, raped, destroyed and stole. The sooner you come to terms with it the better it will be for everyone concerned.

If you try to impose you will on someone you cannot blame them for fighting back with all their strength.

And so you should. It makes life a lot easier when people know what they have to fight for.

[Pyrpolizer]

How many times should we hear the very same arguments that lead to no where? One side saying it was the Kypreoi's fault for wanting Enosis the other side saying it was the Kibrislis' fault for wanting taksim and inviting Turkey here. These are controversial issues that lead to no where. Everything that happened here just followed the natural route of cause and effect.

What we all need to do is just provide that first push to the natural rule of cause and effect so that this time it sets things right for EVERYONE concerned. How will we do that if we blame each other on a daily basis, if we are totally unable to understand why our compatriot is crying, and if we constantly try to gain on his loss?

[kurupetos]

How many times should we hear the very same arguments that lead to no where? One side saying it was the Kypreoi's fault for wanting Enosis the other side saying it was the Kibrislis' fault for wanting taksim and inviting Turkey here. These are controversial issues that lead to no where. Everything that happened here just followed the natural route of cause and effect.

What we all need to do is just provide that first push to the natural rule of cause and effect so that this time it sets things right for EVERYONE concerned. How will we do that if we blame each other on a daily basis, if we are totally unable to understand why our compatriot is crying, and if we constantly try to gain on his loss?

We didn't have "enosis" or "taksim" in 1960 though, which means those could had been better options in the long run...

IMO "enosis" was/is the better option for all Cypriots.

[repulsewarrior]

How many times should we hear the very same arguments that lead to no where? One side saying it was the Kypreoi's fault for wanting Enosis the other side saying it was the Kibrislis' fault for wanting taksim and inviting Turkey here. These are controversial issues that lead to no where. Everything that happened here just followed the natural route of cause and effect.

What we all need to do is just provide that first push to the natural rule of cause and effect so that this time it sets things right for EVERYONE concerned. How will we do that if we blame each other on a daily basis, if we are totally unable to understand why our compatriot is crying, and if we constantly try to gain on his loss?

We didn't have "enosis" or "taksim" in 1960 though, which means those could had been better options in the long run...

IMO "enosis" was/is the better option for all Cypriots.

...and if you believe that, kurupetos, you are a "Greek", certainly no Cypriot, and no better than a "Turk".

[Pyrpolizer]

How many times should we hear the very same arguments that lead to no where? One side saying it was the Kypreoi's fault for wanting Enosis the other side saying it was the Kibrislis' fault for wanting taksim and inviting Turkey here. These are controversial issues that lead to no where. Everything that happened here just followed the natural route of cause and effect.

What we all need to do is just provide that first push to the natural rule of cause and effect so that this time it sets things right for EVERYONE concerned. How will we do that if we blame each other on a daily basis, if we are totally unable to understand why our compatriot is crying, and if we constantly try to gain on his loss?

We didn't have "enosis" or "taksim" in 1960 though, which means those could had been better options in the long run...

IMO "enosis" was/is the better option for all Cypriots.

This explains the fact that you ARE one of those who can't understand why your compatriot is crying.

[Jerry]

How many times should we hear the very same arguments that lead to no where? One side saying it was the Kypreoi's fault for wanting Enosis the other side saying it was the Kibrislis' fault for wanting taksim and inviting Turkey here. These are controversial issues that lead to no where. Everything that happened here just followed the natural route of cause and effect.

What we all need to do is just provide that first push to the natural rule of cause and effect so that this time it sets things right for EVERYONE concerned. How will we do that if we blame each other on a daily basis, if we are totally unable to understand why our compatriot is crying, and if we constantly try to gain on his loss?

The blame game continues because both sides fail to recognise the fears of the other and because the minority, perversely in my view, insist on being regarded as an equal community. Turkey screwed that status out of the colonial power in Zurich in order to gain power by proxy on the island for its own neo-Ottoman ambitions.

Today both sides perceive the other as having the upper hand, the Greek Cypriot government in terms of legality and international recognition and the Turkish Cypriots with the “facts on the ground” it has forcibly created. There will never be real peace in Cyprus until the Turkish Cypriots accept a solution that reflects their numbers and so their "share" of the island in terms of governance and territory. As we all know Turkey has emboldened them to demand more and changed the demographics to reinforce its claim.

The impression I get from reading the views of Turkish Cypriot “heroes” is that the Greek Cypriots must be punished permanently for “victimising” the minority pre 1974 – hardly an attitude that will lead to a just settlement!

[Viewpoint]

How many times should we hear the very same arguments that lead to no where? One side saying it was the Kypreoi's fault for wanting Enosis the other side saying it was the Kibrislis' fault for wanting taksim and inviting Turkey here. These are controversial issues that lead to no where. Everything that happened here just followed the natural route of cause and effect.

What we all need to do is just provide that first push to the natural rule of cause and effect so that this time it sets things right for EVERYONE concerned. How will we do that if we blame each other on a daily basis, if we are totally unable to understand why our compatriot is crying, and if we constantly try to gain on his loss?

The blame game continues because both sides fail to recognise the fears of the other and because the minority, perversely in my view, insist on being regarded as an equal community. Turkey screwed that status out of the colonial power in Zurich in order to gain power by proxy on the island for its own neo-Ottoman ambitions.

Today both sides perceive the other as having the upper hand, the Greek Cypriot government in terms of legality and international recognition and the Turkish Cypriots with the “facts on the ground” it has forcibly created. There will never be real peace in Cyprus until the Turkish Cypriots accept a solution that reflects their numbers and so their "share" of the island in terms of governance and territory. As we all know Turkey has emboldened them to demand more and changed the demographics to reinforce its claim.

The impression I get from reading the views of Turkish Cypriot “heroes” is that the Greek Cypriots must be punished permanently for “victimising” the minority pre 1974 – hardly an attitude that will lead to a just settlement!

From the above post you obviously do not believe the TCs have any rights as a community but only as individuals, a minority in a GC majority state. There is a big problem with this viewpoint, you are disregarding internationally accepted agreements that clearly support TCs are not a minority but a 30% valid partner on this island. Off course you want to erase this right, disregard it, throw it in the bin because its does not serve your purpose of enforcing your numerical advantgae to turn us into just another minorty in a GC state. What you have to realize is that 1974 changed Cyprus forever and leaders all over the world including your own have accepted that any solution will be based on a BBF model, thats what being negotiated right now. The current climate backs me up 100% and shows that we are not just a minorty but a partner on this island that cannot just be disregard or ignored, we want to rule ourselves and not be dominated by the GC population. Of course you will have problems understanding this because its not what you want but you must try to understand its called middle ground between enosis and taksim, time you started to realize this as it would help towards creating a climate where we wcould begin to trust build confidence and a future together.

[Maximus]

How many times should we hear the very same arguments that lead to no where? One side saying it was the Kypreoi's fault for wanting Enosis the other side saying it was the Kibrislis' fault for wanting taksim and inviting Turkey here. These are controversial issues that lead to no where. Everything that happened here just followed the natural route of cause and effect.

What we all need to do is just provide that first push to the natural rule of cause and effect so that this time it sets things right for EVERYONE concerned. How will we do that if we blame each other on a daily basis, if we are totally unable to understand why our compatriot is crying, and if we constantly try to gain on his loss?

The blame game continues because both sides fail to recognise the fears of the other and because the minority, perversely in my view, insist on being regarded as an equal community. Turkey screwed that status out of the colonial power in Zurich in order to gain power by proxy on the island for its own neo-Ottoman ambitions.
Today both sides perceive the other as having the upper hand, the Greek Cypriot government in terms of legality and international recognition and the Turkish Cypriots with the “facts on the ground” it has forcibly created. There will never be real peace in Cyprus until the Turkish Cypriots accept a solution that reflects their numbers and so their "share" of the island in terms of governance and territory. As we all know Turkey has emboldened them to demand more and changed the demographics to reinforce its claim.

The impression I get from reading the views of Turkish Cypriot “heroes” is that the Greek Cypriots must be punished permanently for “victimising” the minority pre 1974 – hardly an attitude that will lead to a just settlement!

From the above post you obviously do not believe the TCs have any rights as a community but only as individuals, a minority in a GC majority state. There is a big problem with this viewpoint, you are disregarding internationally accepted agreements that clearly support TCs are not a minority but a 30% valid partner on this island. Off course you want to erase this right, disregard it, throw it in the bin because its does not serve your purpose of enforcing your numerical advantgae to turn us into just another minorty in a GC state. What you have to realize is that 1974 changed Cyprus forever and leaders all over the world including your own have accepted that any solution will be based on a BBF model, thats what being negotiated right now. The current climate backs me up 100% and shows that we are not just a minorty but a partner on this island that cannot just be disregard or ignored, we want to rule ourselves and not be dominated by the GC population. Of course you will have problems understanding this because its not what you want but you must try to understand its called middle ground between enosis and taksim, time you started to realize this as it would help towards creating a climate where we wcould begin to trust build confidence and a future together.

VP, Why don't you read what Jerry wrote and actually digest it.

All you are doing is trying to manufacture a false sense of Cypriotism to fit your Turkish ottoman world view.

This is what created the conflict and what continues to create conflict for the majority of Cypriots, because its false, unworkable and they don't recognize it.

The 'middle ground' is the sea between Cyprus and Turkey, you don't want to be there and I respectfully suggest that Turkey is where its all at for you and people who think like you.

Lets end this stupid and embarrassing problem.