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[Maximus]

we have just as much right to Cyprus as you do. Do you agree?

VP, firing arrows in all directions.

How much does that right cost?

Would you prefer to just sell the GCs Turkish water? ---> cyprus41855-60.html#p783068

[Viewpoint]

we have just as much right to Cyprus as you do. Do you agree?

VP, firing arrows in all directions.

How much does that right cost?

Would you prefer to just sell the GCs Turkish water? ---> cyprus41855-60.html#p783068

Maxi you are obviously against BBF and that is your right, in the grand scheme of things its really doesnt matter but acts as a stark reminder of why division has been the best medicine for Cypriots over the last 40 years, maybe we are never destined to be reunited because is would put all the people living on this beautiful island in danger.

I would gladly share any water that arrived from Turkey with you but it appears you have problems sharing anything let alone the island with me......this in itself speaks volumes. I do not question the rights of GCs to this island I always hold them equal to mine and believe me the majority of TCs think the same but certain developments are not really under our control and you lend nothing to resolving issues but instead continue to alienate the TCs and reconfirm why the GCs cannot be trusted.....maybe that is your real goal.

[Maximus]

we have just as much right to Cyprus as you do. Do you agree?

VP, firing arrows in all directions.

How much does that right cost?

Would you prefer to just sell the GCs Turkish water? ---> cyprus41855-60.html#p783068

Maxi you are obviously against BBF and that is your right, in the grand scheme of things its really doesnt matter but acts as a stark reminder of why division has been the best medicine for Cypriots over the last 40 years, maybe we are never destined to be reunited because is would put all the people living on this beautiful island in danger.

I would gladly share any water that arrived from Turkey with you but it appears you have problems sharing anything let alone the island with me......this in itself speaks volumes. I do not question the rights of GCs to this island I always hold them equal to mine and believe me the majority of TCs think the same but certain developments are not really under our control and you lend nothing to resolving issues but instead continue to alienate the TCs and reconfirm why the GCs cannot be trusted.....maybe that is your real goal.

To be honest, I do not think the GC's will buy Turkish water. Please don't hold that against them.

You just want to keep going round in circles and not set the record straight. You can pay for that, no need to blame others. You should also recognize that a lot of GC's are also paying for you and the "TCs" to have your fantasy and not out of choice or as equals, as you say. Your an illogical plonker, a usurper and pariah, not a partner.

[B25]

we have just as much right to Cyprus as you do. Do you agree?

VP, firing arrows in all directions.

How much does that right cost?

Would you prefer to just sell the GCs Turkish water? ---> cyprus41855-60.html#p783068

Maxi you are obviously against BBF and that is your right, in the grand scheme of things its really doesnt matter but acts as a stark reminder of why division has been the best medicine for Cypriots over the last 40 years, maybe we are never destined to be reunited because is would put all the people living on this beautiful island in danger.

I would gladly share any water that arrived from Turkey with you but it appears you have problems sharing anything let alone the island with me......this in itself speaks volumes. I do not question the rights of GCs to this island I always hold them equal to mine and believe me the majority of TCs think the same but certain developments are not really under our control and you lend nothing to resolving issues but instead continue to alienate the TCs and reconfirm why the GCs cannot be trusted.....maybe that is your real goal.

To be honest, I do not think the GC's will buy Turkish water. Please don't hold that against them.

You just want to keep going round in circles and not set the record straight. You can pay for that, no need to blame others. You should also recognize that a lot of GC's are also paying for you and the "TCs" to have your fantasy and not out of choice or as equals, as you say. Your an illogical plonker, a usurper and pariah, not a partner.

Amen!

[Pyrpolizer]

Are you for real we are joint owner of 100% Cyprus, didnt anyone bother to tell you?

And so are the Kypreoi VP. So how come they are denied their human rights/properties/homes/ in 37% of Cyprus?
Could it be because your community trusted a foreign country for it's well being, and can't find a way out of the mess it created?

Lets not go there Pyro, I did say "we" but when you think about it we have lost 63% and all for your enosis dream....our differences have still not been bridged thats why the current situation continues...you have to accept 50% of the blame and move forward.

Fair enough.

No, not fair enough. They have not lost 63% of anything. Your playing right into his hands Pyro while he worms away from facing the truth. This thread is about violent taksim and his excuse is ideological 'vote' for enosis. Accepting 50% of the blame does not set the record straight or cover the cost moving forwards.

Have they lost human rights/properties/homes/ in 63% or even 100% of Cyprus? Did they ever lose any of these?

It's obvious my friend that you haven't met fanatic Kibrislis insisting it's 100% the Kypreoi's fault !!The truth is not only we have not protected our weak brothers in the past, but we also allowed the freaks among us to make their life hell..Just because the schools told us the Turks are our all times enemies and just because the religious lunatics among us consider the Turkish religion next to Satanism hence the Turks as evil. The ignorance amongst us hits mountains though, I mean how many of us know that Kibrislis differ from the Turks and they are by 90% total atheists? Even today they cannot even find ONE Kibrisli to make him imam, hence they are importing from Turkey.

Accusing religion and the educational system is not really a cliche.It is absolutely true that the Educational system can create "enemies" for a child/student. I know it from myself. From 1st-3rd grade elementary school we were taught ancient history of the times of Alexander the Great. Do you know who i hated like hell at that age? The PERSIANS!!! Because they were the Enemies of my Hero Alexander the Great!!
I think you got my message.Fortunately I was never a religious person, thus why the priests never managed to poison my heart, and to tell you the truth I admire the Kibrilis whose vast majority are atheists.

Now back to the point. Yes I still insist VP's reply was fair enough. Both communities are responsible for today's situation.

You think the Kibrislis have not lost 63% just because they could of go back to Kofinou or Larnaca stay for 6 months and get their old home back? What for? There are no Turkish schools to send their children. They don't speak Greek. They don't speak good English. Almost impossible to find a job especially with today's unemployment. (totally impossible for anyone who got a Turkish university degree). Have you ever lived totally alone among strangers? How does it feel like?
No my friend in practical terms yes they lost 63% of Cyprus just like we lost 37% of it.
HOWEVER things would be totally different even under todays condition in which we are allowed to travel in the "other area" I wouldn't have to be afraid of the police locking me in for some laws that I never heard of. I wouldn't have to stop at a check point, show my papers, and issue an insurance. I would just travel go anywhere I liked, have no fear for my legal rights, and even open my own bussiness anywhere I want. In this way yes the whole of Cyprus would belong to me and to VP and every other Cypriot. This is what we actually expect from a solution.

I would also suggest we treat our fellow forumers in a humane way. Words like "Your an illogical plonker, a usurper and pariah, not a partner" not only are very insulting they are also inhumane, especially when directed against a person who is almost alone in this forum with no one to standby it's defense.

[zan]

I commend your honesty 99% Pyro.

[B25]

I commend your honesty 99% Pyro.

Get your vasaline out, he is just about ready for a good turkish shafting. Where's yfuck when you need him, oh well VP will i suppose.

[Viewpoint]

[quote="Pyrpolizer
Fair enough.

No, not fair enough. They have not lost 63% of anything. Your playing right into his hands Pyro while he worms away from facing the truth. This thread is about violent taksim and his excuse is ideological 'vote' for enosis. Accepting 50% of the blame does not set the record straight or cover the cost moving forwards.

Have they lost human rights/properties/homes/ in 63% or even 100% of Cyprus? Did they ever lose any of these?

It's obvious my friend that you haven't met fanatic Kibrislis insisting it's 100% the Kypreoi's fault !!The truth is not only we have not protected our weak brothers in the past, but we also allowed the freaks among us to make their life hell..Just because the schools told us the Turks are our all times enemies and just because the religious lunatics among us consider the Turkish religion next to Satanism hence the Turks as evil. The ignorance amongst us hits mountains though, I mean how many of us know that Kibrislis differ from the Turks and they are by 90% total atheists? Even today they cannot even find ONE Kibrisli to make him imam, hence they are importing from Turkey.

Accusing religion and the educational system is not really a cliche.It is absolutely true that the Educational system can create "enemies" for a child/student. I know it from myself. From 1st-3rd grade elementary school we were taught ancient history of the times of Alexander the Great. Do you know who i hated like hell at that age? The PERSIANS!!! Because they were the Enemies of my Hero Alexander the Great!!
I think you got my message.Fortunately I was never a religious person, thus why the priests never managed to poison my heart, and to tell you the truth I admire the Kibrilis whose vast majority are atheists.

Now back to the point. Yes I still insist VP's reply was fair enough. Both communities are responsible for today's situation.

You think the Kibrislis have not lost 63% just because they could of go back to Kofinou or Larnaca stay for 6 months and get their old home back? What for? There are no Turkish schools to send their children. They don't speak Greek. They don't speak good English. Almost impossible to find a job especially with today's unemployment. (totally impossible for anyone who got a Turkish university degree). Have you ever lived totally alone among strangers? How does it feel like?
No my friend in practical terms yes they lost 63% of Cyprus just like we lost 37% of it.
HOWEVER things would be totally different even under todays condition in which we are allowed to travel in the "other area" I wouldn't have to be afraid of the police locking me in for some laws that I never heard of. I wouldn't have to stop at a check point, show my papers, and issue an insurance. I would just travel go anywhere I liked, have no fear for my legal rights, and even open my own bussiness anywhere I want. In this way yes the whole of Cyprus would belong to me and to VP and every other Cypriot. This is what we actually expect from a solution.

I would also suggest we treat our fellow forumers in a humane way. Words like "Your an illogical plonker, a usurper and pariah, not a partner" not only are very insulting they are also inhumane, especially when directed against a person who is almost alone in this forum with no one to standby it's defense.

Pyro Im almost afraid to applaud your honesty as it would place you directly in the line of fire but if there were only more GCs like you I would have no problem living in a unitary state. A solution should be as you say allowing everyone the freedom to go all over Cyprus and live where they wish but people like Maxi will always continue to oil the wheels of hate, fear and uncompromising stupidity.

[Maximus]

I commend your honesty 99% Pyro.

Get your vasaline out, he is just about ready for a good turkish shafting. Where's yfuck when you need him, oh well VP will i suppose.

[Maximus]

Guys, Pyro, VP, Zan, et el

Continue please. Calculate the cost's and shares amongst yourselves.

I'll follow the thread as an observer and may come back later, depending on how you get on.

- property / territory
- Power sharing
- Citizenship
- Natural resources
- National debt
- Security

And anything else I have missed.