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[observer]

Gee Paphitis - I thought this was the Cyprus forum. If we can expand our sights a bit, I'm worried about Australian behaviour in East Timor. East Timor has accused Australia of violating its sovereignty by spying on its impoverished Asian neighbor during negotiations for an oil and gas treaty in a battle over natural resources. The case is now being heard at the International Court of Justice in The Hague.

Can hardly wait for the verdict.

[Paphitis]

Gee Paphitis - I thought this was the Cyprus forum. If we can expand our sights a bit, I'm worried about Australian behaviour in East Timor. East Timor has accused Australia of violating its sovereignty by spying on its impoverished Asian neighbor during negotiations for an oil and gas treaty in a battle over natural resources. The case is now being heard at the International Court of Justice in The Hague.

Can hardly wait for the verdict.

Australia has always spied on Indonesia and East Timor, and it will continue to do so. Australia is the first in when their sovereignty is questioned, and everyone knows that, so information is power. Australia could not conduct a sound military operation without solid intelligence.

It probably won't share the intelligence with the US until it stops all the security leaks.

But anyway, what has this got to do with NK?

[observer]

What's NK got to do with Cyprus. RoC doesn't even have an embassy there.

[tsukoui]

This is why we need AKEL.

[observer]

This is why we need AKEL.

Love it

[Paphitis]

This is why we need AKEL.

Yeh you guys probably would open an embassy in NK even though you probably don't have an embassy in SK! That would just serve to show how fucked up AKEL are once again.

You opened one in Cuba for crying out loud!

[tsukoui]

This is why we need AKEL.

Yeh you guys probably would open an embassy in NK even though you probably don't have an embassy in SK! That would just serve to show how fucked up AKEL are once again.

You opened one in Cuba for crying out loud!

My comment was aimed at the entire thread, not just the embassy post. In fact I view North Korea as having strayed very far from its founding ideals to become a fascist state, but you have to look at the global dynamics that made this possible. Do you really think the U.S. imperialists care for the North Korean people? In fact North Korean is not even a threat to the U.S. If it is on the agenda at all it is because of strategic concerns about China.

[Paphitis]

This is why we need AKEL.

Yeh you guys probably would open an embassy in NK even though you probably don't have an embassy in SK! That would just serve to show how fucked up AKEL are once again.

You opened one in Cuba for crying out loud!

My comment was aimed at the entire thread, not just the embassy post. In fact I view North Korea as having strayed very far from its founding ideals to become a fascist state, but you have to look at the global dynamics that made this possible. Do you really think the U.S. imperialists care for the North Korean people? In fact North Korean is not even a threat to the U.S. If it is on the agenda at all it is because of strategic concerns about China.

I thought it was aimed at the entire thread. You must realize that a great injustice is occurring against the NK people. When I hear some of the stories of what is happening against innocent people, I genuinely feel bad about it and hope that the people are able to protect themselves or that their nightmare ends soon.

The Americans do not have any imperialist ambitions on NK. They are in SK because SK needs protection. Many times the North Korean military have bombed with artillery SK villages close to the Demilitarized Zone and Yeonpyeong Island. The South Korean and US military have shown incredible restraint in not responding to such provocations and they do it to avoid war with NK. However, there is only so much they will take. If the NK Military move into the Demilitarized Zone, then they too will advance in the Zone. The US and SK Military will defend South Korea to the end.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardment_of_Yeonpyeong

Furthermore, the Americans, South Koreans, Australians, and many more are ultimately very concerned about the HR situation against NK citizens as much as I am. But unfortunately, the politicians (my wife works for one) feel that there is nothing much they can do. Current policy is to avoid confrontation and wait for what they believe to be an inevitable uprising from within their borders. If and when that happens, they will engage the international community and UN as to what they will do.

All feel that there should be one Korea. But the South Koreans will NOT succumb to NK. North Korea will have join the South under their current terms which is a free market democratic country. SK has massive industrial output and have achieved a great deal of commercial success. They have a way of life which they are unwilling to compromise. It is a modern country.

You also mention China. Let me tell you that there are very few strategic concerns about China. I am talking from the point of view of the major players which are the US, Australia and Japan. The only diplomatic sticky point seems to be Taiwan, The US and Australia support Taiwan and that is a bit of a strain on their relationship with China. There is no interest whatsoever for a war with China, or to react in any way that will cause the Chinese any discomfort. In fact, relations with China are quite cordial. China relies on its tremendously enormous trade relations with Australia and the US specifically. If trade between Australia and Chine ceases tomorrow, then China and Australia will go into financial meltdown the ramifications of which will be felt in Europe and North America. The Chinese rely on Australian Resources and Energy. The Australians rely on Chinese money. Business is business. The Chinese now it and so do the Aussies, Americans and Japanese.

I think you are a bit deluded to be honest. China has been very good to Australia. I can tell you this for a fact. Many Australian businesses have their manufacturing in China. Billions are invested both ways. One Cypriot that frequents this forum has a small manufacturing base in China and lives in Melbourne. He is not the only one. Thousands of Australian businesses are now in China from SME to big huge multinationals such as BHP Billiton which is almost as big as Apple as far as market capitalisation is concerned.

Australia is getting very rich from doing business with the Chinese. The last thing anyone wants is for this to be destabilized. The Australians are leaders in engaging China. The Australian Prime Minister will visit China yearly from now on. The US is now following suit and doing the same.

there is a lot of genuine concern about the NK people from all quarters. Furthermore, Chinese relations with NK are NOT good.

[Mustiejodu]

Go to a North Korean forum. Piss off this is a cyprus forum

[Paphitis]

Go to a North Korean forum. Piss off this is a cyprus forum

You are such an idiot!

North Korea doesn't even have any Internet forums. In fact, the Internet is banned within its borders. If you get caught engaging the outside world in North Korea via Facebook or other social media, then your off to one of the Gulags. Even members of your family will go to one of these concentration forced labour camps where you will work 12 hours a day for a small bowl of rice until you die of malnutrition and that's if they don't make you dig your own grave and execute you with a hammer to the head beforehand for not attending a political re-education class!

NK is an international issue. It is relevant to Cyprus as well as every other country in the world. Why? Because they have the potential to spark something really big. Not to mention the fact that the HR injustice there is something we should all be concerned of.