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[Jerry]

vp the americans have given instructions to erdogan. who ever is power in terkey will have to do what the americans say.

when it comes to guarantee terkey never applied it in 74. if she had, she would have taken the whole island, sort out the fascists and return the power to ordinary people and not do what she did by displacing 200,000 gcs and tcs.

when it comes to guarantees, she does that with or without an guarantee agreement.

It has not been covered in the joint declaration but will come to light at some point, it is a very sensitive issue with the voters and could swing the referendum towards a no.

You just don't get it do you, Turkey's bully boy days are over, it has enough problems of it's own and the US is turning the screws on. There was no mention of guarantees because within the EU there will be no need for them. With regard to the referendum in the north, what will happen to the "trnc" if you vote no, will you still get international recognition, will you join the EU, will Turkey join the EU?

[Viewpoint]

Are you contesting Bi-zonal bi-communal, as it appears to be a primary element.

Yeah, its like a separation along ethno-religious lines but with a shared sovereignty and a single international personality that might emanate to the outside world as a skizophrenic.

Its not forcible people can settle where they wish but imo for a good many years the TCs will remain in the north and the GCs in the south.

I think if a settlement comes, it will be close to this one, except for the "Rotating Presidency", don't you think, VP?

Kikapu's "BBF" Power Sharing Plan
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NO this was rejected and thrown in the bin a long time ago, now move on.

[bill cobbett]

Sounds like we have a couple of Hobson Choices coming up. ... (not sure whether that's a or a )

[Viewpoint]

vp the americans have given instructions to erdogan. who ever is power in terkey will have to do what the americans say.

when it comes to guarantee terkey never applied it in 74. if she had, she would have taken the whole island, sort out the fascists and return the power to ordinary people and not do what she did by displacing 200,000 gcs and tcs.

when it comes to guarantees, she does that with or without an guarantee agreement.

It has not been covered in the joint declaration but will come to light at some point, it is a very sensitive issue with the voters and could swing the referendum towards a no.

You just don't get it do you, Turkey's bully boy days are over, it has enough problems of it's own and the US is turning the screws on. There was no mention of guarantees because within the EU there will be no need for them. With regard to the referendum in the north, what will happen to the "trnc" if you vote no, will you still get international recognition, will you join the EU, will Turkey join the EU?

So no change, life goes on we are used to this. The issue of guarantees will be raised trust me, if it is to be replaced by something else then we will see the reaction of the TCs, another very important point never rule Turkey out of the game that would be a very big mistake.

[bill cobbett]

The Snail adds to the comments made by Archbishop Chrisostomos reported above...

"... The Prelate went a step further, urging the public – even dissenters – not to get caught up in arguing over the wording of a document.

Torpedoing the negotiations before they began would be pointless, said the top cleric.

Instead, attention should be focused on the negotiations, so that “nothing negative slips” into the solution presented to the people in a referendum.

Chrysostomos called on people, whatever their objections may be, to get behind the President and his negotiating team.

During the meeting with the President, the Archbishop proposed launching a public awareness campaign to inform the public about what a federal solution will be.

“It will be a sort of partnership…and we shall no longer be on our own. We shall have to sacrifice something, and the Turks as well.”

Christos jeh Panayia...!!!... there is such unity in the Free Areas ...

[Jerry]

vp the americans have given instructions to erdogan. who ever is power in terkey will have to do what the americans say.

when it comes to guarantee terkey never applied it in 74. if she had, she would have taken the whole island, sort out the fascists and return the power to ordinary people and not do what she did by displacing 200,000 gcs and tcs.

when it comes to guarantees, she does that with or without an guarantee agreement.

It has not been covered in the joint declaration but will come to light at some point, it is a very sensitive issue with the voters and could swing the referendum towards a no.

You just don't get it do you, Turkey's bully boy days are over, it has enough problems of it's own and the US is turning the screws on. There was no mention of guarantees because within the EU there will be no need for them. With regard to the referendum in the north, what will happen to the "trnc" if you vote no, will you still get international recognition, will you join the EU, will Turkey join the EU?

So no change, life goes on we are used to this. The issue of guarantees will be raised trust me, if it is to be replaced by something else then we will see the reaction of the TCs, another very important point never rule Turkey out of the game that would be a very big mistake.

Certainly not ruling Turkey out of the game but you it won't be too happy with you if your no vote brings its EU aspirations to a halt, it will probably cut your "loans" and your water supply.

[bill cobbett]

To give us the clearest of indications of just how far the "leadership" of the CYs of the Occupied Areas were left out in the cold in the drafting of the Joint Declaration , this is what the new negotiator Ozersay had to say, according to Phile...

"... Το ότι η τ/κ πλευρά έμεινε εκτός πραγμάτων στη διαδικασία, πρόσθεσε, ήταν ένας από τους βασικούς παράγοντες που δέχθηκε τη θέση του διαπραγματευτή. ..."

"... The fact that the T / C side was left out of things in the process, he added, was one of the key factors that I accepted the position of negotiator..."

He does however go on to say that the issues of Territory/Property will be discussed towards the end of the process.

http://www.philenews.com/el-gr/eidiseis ... -o-ozersai

Well, he'd do well to read the Joint Declaration which says...

6. The appointed representatives are fully empowered to discuss any issue at any time and should enjoy parallel access to all stakeholders and interested parties in the process, as needed.

Any Issue at Any Time Mr Ozerzay., don't you be doing an Eroglu on us, you hear! ...



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[bill cobbett]

This is how Afrika's Cartoonist Serhan Gazioglu sees the re-start of talks...

Pres A waiting at the table whilst Eroglu of "trnc" is trying like mad to get out, with the Americans blocking the exits.

[boulio]

This is starting to look like in finance a bear trap,the Turks I think thought they would sign ,not honor it(as usual) and a ban or de soto or a downer or any other turkish Panzy would bail them out.however the Americans as always have a bigger picture than the Turks for the region and I believe genuinely want this problem solved.

[Pyrpolizer]

Certainly not ruling Turkey out of the game but you it won't be too happy with you if your no vote brings its EU aspirations to a halt, it will probably cut your "loans" and your water supply.

Rumors say she will be moving troops massively out of Cyprus BEFORE THE REFERENDA