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[Maximus]

I don't object to Sener Levent ... in a free and equal Cyprus.

But I object to the principal of inclusion of the TCs and Turkish Settlers (because let's face it, he will give them a voice too) into EU matters whilst the Turkish occupation continues and whilst TCs and their Settler friends live comfortably and in total disregard of the criminality of their daily actions or inactions against the native Greek Cypriots.

Under these conditions, a vote for a TC will give a voice to Turkish Settlers and acceptance of the current situation. No one who wants to see the end of Turkish occupation should either stand or vote.

how will a vote for tc's give a voice to turk settlers? who will vote in these tcs? only gc tc or both?

The settlers will use any TC representatives as much as the TCs would - there will be no discrimiantion there. He is not standing exclusively for TCs or GCs is he? He is standing for "all Cypriots" and at the moment, we have been told all the Settlers are now "Cypriots" with "citizenship" etc. They may not be given the vote to elect, but once any TC MEP is in, they will not turn away any settlers claiming to be "Cypriot" and needing his help as EU representative.

Secondly, it sets a precedent for continuing with the status quo of Turkish occupation. There should be no voice for those under Turkish occupation which acts to compromise freedom for the whole island.

What is more, the TCs already have a lot of British MEPs supporting them (Hence why Bill cobbett has been corrupted). The message these British MEPs send out when they speak for TCs is that they want the division to continue, but the TCs want to be represented in the EU, on top. This is exactly what a TC MEP will have achieved!. Have a look at some of the things Graham Watson MEP has said for TCs. He calls them "Northern Cypriots, for goodness sake.

It would be a major victory should Sener Levent be elected. A propaganda defeat against Turkey by the RoC. Sener, in my opinion, is gambling with his life. Turkey wants him out of the way.

Let's see if the GCs can recognize a major Coup before it hits them in the face. Fact is, the TCs have a right to vote. All they need is to possess RoC citizenship. Settlers do not possess RoC citizenship and can't vote.

Furthermore, it is the EU that provides the TCs with their EU suffrage. This has nothing to do with the RoC.

Sener will get some votes from GC's but I do not think those votes from the GC's will be enough to elect him on their own. There is a test here for the TC's. If they elect him, they vote for a unitary democratic state. if they do not turn out to vote then they fail, all round.

Sener speaks against Turkey and the occupation.

[bill cobbett]

I don't object to Sener Levent ... in a free and equal Cyprus.

But I object to the principal of inclusion of the TCs and Turkish Settlers (because let's face it, he will give them a voice too) into EU matters whilst the Turkish occupation continues and whilst TCs and their Settler friends live comfortably and in total disregard of the criminality of their daily actions or inactions against the native Greek Cypriots.

Under these conditions, a vote for a TC will give a voice to Turkish Settlers and acceptance of the current situation. No one who wants to see the end of Turkish occupation should either stand or vote.

how will a vote for tc's give a voice to turk settlers? who will vote in these tcs? only gc tc or both?

The settlers will use any TC representatives as much as the TCs would - there will be no discrimiantion there. He is not standing exclusively for TCs or GCs is he? He is standing for "all Cypriots" and at the moment, we have been told all the Settlers are now "Cypriots" with "citizenship" etc. They may not be given the vote to elect, but once any TC MEP is in, they will not turn away any settlers claiming to be "Cypriot" and needing his help as EU representative.

Secondly, it sets a precedent for continuing with the status quo of Turkish occupation. There should be no voice for those under Turkish occupation which acts to compromise freedom for the whole island.

What is more, the TCs already have a lot of British MEPs supporting them (Hence why Bill cobbett has been corrupted). The message these British MEPs send out when they speak for TCs is that they want the division to continue, but the TCs want to be represented in the EU, on top. This is exactly what a TC MEP will have achieved!. Have a look at some of the things Graham Watson MEP has said for TCs. He calls them "Northern Cypriots, for goodness sake.

What a loada convoluted, un-researched and poorly joined up pollocks "g"IG has come up with...!!!

Rather than making it up as you go along "g"IG, perhaps you could translate the following for us, which gives Sener Levent's position on the Illegal Settlers and tell us why you disagree with it...

"... Αποχώρηση των εποίκων. Εμείς προσθέτουμε ότι όπως ισχύει παντού στην επικράτεια της Κυπριακής ∆ημοκρατίας, όσοι έκαμαν οικογένειες με Κύπριους πολίτες, να πολιτογραφηθούν. Επίσης, για πολιτικούς και ανθρωπιστικούς λόγους θα πρέπει να γίνει θεώρηση για τις περιπτώσεις παιδιών εποίκων που είναι σήμερα ενήλικες που γεννήθηκαν και μεγάλωσαν στην Κύπρο. ... "

[Maximus]

What is he saying here Bill?

He is saying that those settlers that are born to Cypriots should be naturalized and those settlers that grew up here from childhood and are now adults should be made Cypriots.

Correct me if my translation is wrong but isn't that a lot of them? I do not agree with that and I thought you did not either.

[bill cobbett]

What is he saying here Bill?

He is saying that those settlers that are born to Cypriots should be naturalized and those settlers that grew up here from childhood and are now adults should be made Cypriots.

Correct me if my translation is wrong but isn't that a lot of them? I do not agree with that and I thought you did not either.

He's saying ... married to a CY or born and raised in CY stay, the rest don't.

[Maximus]

What is he saying here Bill?

He is saying that those settlers that are born to Cypriots should be naturalized and those settlers that grew up here from childhood and are now adults should be made Cypriots.

Correct me if my translation is wrong but isn't that a lot of them? I do not agree with that and I thought you did not either.

He's saying ... married to a CY or born and raised in CY stay, the rest don't.

Isn't that the majority of the settlers, with those in the latter camp outnumbering those in the former?

Do you agree with this Bill?

EDIT : if this is the case, I will eat some of my words.

I agree with his position for unitary democratic state but I do not agree with his position on the settlers. This is a deal breaker.

[bill cobbett]

What is he saying here Bill?

He is saying that those settlers that are born to Cypriots should be naturalized and those settlers that grew up here from childhood and are now adults should be made Cypriots.

Correct me if my translation is wrong but isn't that a lot of them? I do not agree with that and I thought you did not either.

He's saying ... married to a CY or born and raised in CY stay, the rest don't.

Isn't that the majority of the settlers, with those in the latter camp outnumbering those in the former?

Do you agree with this Bill?

Do you want an idealistic answer or a circuitous and pragmatic one ...???

[Maximus]

just an answer.

[B25]

Illegals are just that, married or not, born to an illegal is still illegal, and they should leave. Anything else is caving into and approving the illegalities that the occupation regime has carried out and those TCs married to illegals should have known better. Great loop hole here, let all the settlers marry TCs and they all get to stay..??

[GreekIslandGirl]

What is he saying here Bill?

He is saying that those settlers that are born to Cypriots should be naturalized and those settlers that grew up here from childhood and are now adults should be made Cypriots.

Correct me if my translation is wrong but isn't that a lot of them? I do not agree with that and I thought you did not either.

I cannot believe people can be so stupid as to think he will do anything but legalise all those Settlers.

The fact he even admits to as much as he does in the above extract is an indication he will go much further because those settlers married to TCs have other relatives and they will make demands to "their MEP" regarding rights for all the settlers.

What is more, with such claims, there will be a rush of settlers marrying or impregnating TCs just so that they suddenly have the promise of an MEP (which they will say is from the EU) to stay as Cypriot citizens.

Who is this man that thinks he can go above the RoC as to who can become a Cypriot citizen?

Who is this man that will legalise the Turkish Settlers by rubber-stamping them as Cypriots?

This man is from the generation of TCs that think they are ABOVE the RoC and ABOVE any other race on this island!

[Paphitis]

What is he saying here Bill?

He is saying that those settlers that are born to Cypriots should be naturalized and those settlers that grew up here from childhood and are now adults should be made Cypriots.

Correct me if my translation is wrong but isn't that a lot of them? I do not agree with that and I thought you did not either.

He's saying ... married to a CY or born and raised in CY stay, the rest don't.

Isn't that the majority of the settlers, with those in the latter camp outnumbering those in the former?

Do you agree with this Bill?

Do you want an idealistic answer or a circuitous and pragmatic one ...???

Bill,

just give him the pragmatic answer.

We get the idealistic nonsense from our shit politicians that are just so out of step with reality.

The fact is, some of the settlers will stay and it is probably going to be those who have married a Cypriot Citizen and those that were born in Cyprus. Sener is not wrong.

There is no way that the UN, EU or any country will accept anything else.