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[Oceanside50]

do you want to save the island?...yes or no

[Get Real!]

do you want to save the island?...yes or no

"Save" is a relative word.

[kurupetos]

do you want to save the island?...yes or no

Yes, I want to save it from foreigners, anti-Hellenes, charlies and pest.

[Oceanside50]

Ok me too, but a lot more has to be done other then posting on CF..or other forums..

[kurupetos]

Ok me too, but a lot more has to be done other then posting on CF..or other forums..

You can go to elamcy and contact us.

[bill cobbett]

tim i think you mean ctp bot chp. now when it comes to gcs and their stupidity they can do no right. what ever they agree in favour of of tcs there is always a butt. tcs can vote butt................

well my little swineyard friends grow up you have remained at 3 years old. strangely thats how long roc survived.

Oh Gawd... !!! Someone put the above through Google Translate for us please (and put Sordo through a mincer.)

Speaking of translations, perhaps Maxi and "g"IG, if they're around, could translate this piece of Sener Levent's Manifesto for us please (and give us their views on it please)...

"... Για την ∆ιζωνική

Ο Σενέρ είναι υπέρ της ουσιαστικής συνένωσης των δύο κοινοτήτων και της επιστροφής όλων στα σπίτια τους. "Ονειρεύομαι", γράφει, "μια πατρίδα όπου Τουρκοκύπριοι και Ελληνοκύπριοι να ζουν μαζί και να κουβεντιάζουν στις ίδιες γειτονιές, στις ίδιες βεράντες, στους ίδιους καφενέδες." Λέει επίσης: "∆εν διαχωρίζω Τούρκο και Έλληνα. ...

Η πρώτη μου επιλογή δεν είναι η διζωνική, διαιρεμένη Κύπρος." Εμείς συμφωνούμε: ο ρατσιστικός διαχωρισμός των κοινοτήτων σε δύο ζώνες και με διαφορετικά προνόμια και δικαιώματα εκατέρωθεν με βάση φυλετικά κριτήρια, δηλαδή μια τέτοια εκδοχή ∆ιζωνικής λύσης, αντιβαίνει σε κάθε αντίληψη περί δικαίου. Ο Σενέρ λέει:

"Νοσταλγώ μια δίκαια τάξη πραγμάτων σε αυτό τον κόσμο, όπου δεν θα υπάρχουν καταπιεστές και καταπιεσμένοι. Όποιου δεν αρέσει ας μην με ψηφίσει"! ..."

He is right Bill,

Refugees to their homes, no zones and a democratic unitary state.

This is not dissimilar to what a lot of people have been advocating for a long time. It is right but giving the settlers and the carpetbaggers or those who where born in Cyprus post 1974 Cypriot citizenship is not. This throws a spanner in the works. One child born in Cyprus can quickly turn into five people with 'rights' to stay because you cannot split up a family.

How is he going to achieve all this? Consider, he is completely the opposite of popular amongst the TC and the rest of "TRNC electorate".

More and more babies born , with rights. Don't assume just because the parents are illegal that the babies are too..

Of course they are illegal, you fool. The Cypriot law regarding citizenship is based on jus sanguinis.

Well, yes, ok, one of the criteria is a CY ancestry and that's not too different from the situation in other EU member-states which also require a connection through parentage, but as we've said already, Mr Levent's position is very similar to the leading parties in CY, the people in power who can ultimately modify the law.

... but can we get away from the Illegal Settlers, everyone has made their position clear on the subject and we keep coming back to it with nothing new added.

Below is a bit from a journalist, George Kaskanis, who will be voting for Sener Levent, an article which raises questions in me mind.

Why are some so insecure that they can't bring themselves to vote for one of the most out-spoken critics of the Occupation up there...??? Why are some so uncomfortable with voting for someone who will give a voice to those up there who oppose the Occupation and for that voice to be heard in the EP, when and let's be realistic, the chances of Sener Levant being elected are remote...???

"... " ...εκλογή του Λεβέντ, όσο κι αν εκ πρώτης όψεως φαντάζει απίθανη, θα φέρει δραματικές ανατροπές στο κυπριακό πρόβλημα αλλά και την πολιτική ζωή του τόπου.
Ένας Τουρκοκύπριος θα έχει την ευκαιρία να καταγγέλλει από το βήμα της Ευρωβουλής την τουρκική κατοχή και να εκπροσωπεί τα αληθινά συμφέροντα της κοινότητάς του." - Γιώργος Κασκάνης, δημοσιογράφος.

Ψηφίζω Λεβέντ! ..."

Rest of the article for greek-speakers at... http://cyprus.indymedia.org/node/4925

[Tim Drayton]

From the above quote:

"the chances of Sener Levant being elected are remote."

Is this necessarily so? If large numbers of Turkish Cypriots exercise their right to vote (and that is a big if, I agree) and most of them decide to vote along ethnic lines, they could theoretically elect two Turkish Cypriot candidates to the European Parliament and, under that scenario, one of them is quite likely to be Şener Levent.

[bill cobbett]

Well, let's hope so Pappou Tim. ... but it is soooo difficult for an independent, lacking the party apparatus to get the vote out on the day.

Now, a personal message from Mr Levent for Maxi (and for B25)... ooooh and a video. BillC does so spoil yous twos...

"... Σενέρ Λεβέντ: Ο εποικισμός είναι έγκλημα πολέμου

Τοποθετήσεις γύρω από το θέμα του εποικισμού και της συνεχιζόμενης παρανομίας από το Τουρκικό κράτος. Η ανθρωπιστική διάσταση της λύσης.
Σύντομο βίντεο τεσσεράμισι λεπτών: ..."

[Tim Drayton]

The issue really is whether Turkish Cypriots will vote in large numbers at all. The DISY candidate interviewed yesterday on CYBC's Biz/Emeis programme claimed that they will not, arguing that Turkish Cypriots have applied for RoC ID cards/passports for instrumental reasons, such as to travel and study, and this does not mean that they recognise the RoC. She said that most Turkish Cypriots will heed the calls by virtually all of their political parties not to vote. This, she argued, was why it was pointless for the mainstream parties to field Turkish Cypriot candidates.

[Oceanside50]

Well, let's hope so Pappou Tim. ... but it is soooo difficult for an independent, lacking the party apparatus to get the vote out on the day.

Now, a personal message from Mr Levent for Maxi (and for B25)... ooooh and a video. BillC does so spoil yous twos...

"... Σενέρ Λεβέντ: Ο εποικισμός είναι έγκλημα πολέμου

Τοποθετήσεις γύρω από το θέμα του εποικισμού και της συνεχιζόμενης παρανομίας από το Τουρκικό κράτος. Η ανθρωπιστική διάσταση της λύσης.
Σύντομο βίντεο τεσσεράμισι λεπτών: ..."

..the rewards far outweigh the cost for Levent to be elected.