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[Maximus]

maximuimmu you are such an ass, you cant even see friendship in a person who is more gc than you because he is a tc. you wonder why you lost 37.5% of the island to the terks.

you have to accept people who are born in cyprus as cypriot no matter where their grandfathers came from. you is like fish out of water boy.

I agree with Sener more than you do and what I find funny Bordo, is that this is the only thing you agree with him about but nothing else.

What does this say about you? what does it say when less than 1% of the TC's and the settlers vote for him?

[Maximus]

That's stretching it somewhat, I think, because if one uses the same logic the RoC legitimized the invasion by agreeing to open the Green line, which in essence recognized that the Tc are governing themselves in a federated state and the Tc recognize and legitimize the RoC's international status(UN, EU)etc...everything is screwed up and defies logic, where's logic in refugees visiting their homes in the occupied areas, sitting down and having a coffee with a Tc that's living in the refugees house and then shaking hands, getting in his car and driving back to his govt subsidized temporary housing until he can return to his house where he just returned from?...that's the logic of the situation in Cyprus and Levent is doing his best to work around it in his own way. You can't have precise wording and gestures, like you want, it's offensive to Cypriots.

Oceanside, you legitimize the invasion when you legitimize Turkeys violations of peoples human rights and the deliberate policy of changing the demographics of the island.

You achieve this by - giving the settlers citizenship to debase everyone else and give them a bigger say than the TC's. Essentially, the TC's become a minority of a minority that is now pretty large and has an allegiance with Turkey. Also, how can the refugees return to their homes when it would mean you would have to turf the "new Cypriots". Now they are legitimate and have political clout in the government and given Turkeys track record and meddling nature, I'll leave the rest to your imagination.

less than 1% of the TC's and the settlers agree with Sener, he is a bane to them. This in my opinion thwarts the idea that making them Cypriot citizens will achieve peace. It creates more problems.

I just don't understand why they need to be given Cypriot citizenship.

[halil]

...hi halil, long time no hear. will you be voting Sener Levent?

Thanks repulsewarrior, i am fine. I will not vote for Sener Levent......If i was i will vote for Deniz Birinci (Drasi-Eylem group).

[Tim Drayton]

...hi halil, long time no hear. will you be voting Sener Levent?

Thanks repulsewarrior, i am fine. I will not vote for Sener Levent......If i was i will vote for Deniz Birinci (Drasi-Eylem group).

Thanks for the input. I am still undecided, but may vote for that group.

[Tim Drayton]

...hi halil, long time no hear. will you be voting Sener Levent?

Thanks repulsewarrior, i am fine. I will not vote for Sener Levent......If i was i will vote for Deniz Birinci (Drasi-Eylem group).

How many Turkish Cypriots do you think will vote? All of the main parties, including the left-wing CHP, are telling people not to vote.

[Lordo]

tim i think you mean ctp bot chp. now when it comes to gcs and their stupidity they can do no right. what ever they agree in favour of of tcs there is always a butt. tcs can vote butt................

well my little swineyard friends grow up you have remained at 3 years old. strangely thats how long roc survived.

[Oceanside50]

That's stretching it somewhat, I think, because if one uses the same logic the RoC legitimized the invasion by agreeing to open the Green line, which in essence recognized that the Tc are governing themselves in a federated state and the Tc recognize and legitimize the RoC's international status(UN, EU)etc...everything is screwed up and defies logic, where's logic in refugees visiting their homes in the occupied areas, sitting down and having a coffee with a Tc that's living in the refugees house and then shaking hands, getting in his car and driving back to his govt subsidized temporary housing until he can return to his house where he just returned from?...that's the logic of the situation in Cyprus and Levent is doing his best to work around it in his own way. You can't have precise wording and gestures, like you want, it's offensive to Cypriots.

Oceanside, you legitimize the invasion when you legitimize Turkeys violations of peoples human rights and the deliberate policy of changing the demographics of the island.

You achieve this by - giving the settlers citizenship to debase everyone else and give them a bigger say than the TC's. Essentially, the TC's become a minority of a minority that is now pretty large and has an allegiance with Turkey. Also, how can the refugees return to their homes when it would mean you would have to turf the "new Cypriots". Now they are legitimate and have political clout in the government and given Turkeys track record and meddling nature, I'll leave the rest to your imagination.

less than 1% of the TC's and the settlers agree with Sener, he is a bane to them. This in my opinion thwarts the idea that making them Cypriot citizens will achieve peace. It creates more problems.

I just don't understand why they need to be given Cypriot citizenship.

The point is that Turkey's invasion isn't legitimized just because Levent as a Cypriot has an opinion that partially contradicts with the policy of what the RoC follows and he as a Cypriot is elected

[bill cobbett]

tim i think you mean ctp bot chp. now when it comes to gcs and their stupidity they can do no right. what ever they agree in favour of of tcs there is always a butt. tcs can vote butt................

well my little swineyard friends grow up you have remained at 3 years old. strangely thats how long roc survived.

Oh Gawd... !!! Someone put the above through Google Translate for us please (and put Sordo through a mincer.)

Speaking of translations, perhaps Maxi and "g"IG, if they're around, could translate this piece of Sener Levent's Manifesto for us please (and give us their views on it please)...

"... Για την ∆ιζωνική

Ο Σενέρ είναι υπέρ της ουσιαστικής συνένωσης των δύο κοινοτήτων και της επιστροφής όλων στα σπίτια τους. "Ονειρεύομαι", γράφει, "μια πατρίδα όπου Τουρκοκύπριοι και Ελληνοκύπριοι να ζουν μαζί και να κουβεντιάζουν στις ίδιες γειτονιές, στις ίδιες βεράντες, στους ίδιους καφενέδες." Λέει επίσης: "∆εν διαχωρίζω Τούρκο και Έλληνα. ...

Η πρώτη μου επιλογή δεν είναι η διζωνική, διαιρεμένη Κύπρος." Εμείς συμφωνούμε: ο ρατσιστικός διαχωρισμός των κοινοτήτων σε δύο ζώνες και με διαφορετικά προνόμια και δικαιώματα εκατέρωθεν με βάση φυλετικά κριτήρια, δηλαδή μια τέτοια εκδοχή ∆ιζωνικής λύσης, αντιβαίνει σε κάθε αντίληψη περί δικαίου. Ο Σενέρ λέει:

"Νοσταλγώ μια δίκαια τάξη πραγμάτων σε αυτό τον κόσμο, όπου δεν θα υπάρχουν καταπιεστές και καταπιεσμένοι. Όποιου δεν αρέσει ας μην με ψηφίσει"! ..."

[bill cobbett]

That's stretching it somewhat, I think, because if one uses the same logic the RoC legitimized the invasion by agreeing to open the Green line, which in essence recognized that the Tc are governing themselves in a federated state and the Tc recognize and legitimize the RoC's international status(UN, EU)etc...everything is screwed up and defies logic, where's logic in refugees visiting their homes in the occupied areas, sitting down and having a coffee with a Tc that's living in the refugees house and then shaking hands, getting in his car and driving back to his govt subsidized temporary housing until he can return to his house where he just returned from?...that's the logic of the situation in Cyprus and Levent is doing his best to work around it in his own way. You can't have precise wording and gestures, like you want, it's offensive to Cypriots.

Oceanside, you legitimize the invasion when you legitimize Turkeys violations of peoples human rights and the deliberate policy of changing the demographics of the island.

You achieve this by - giving the settlers citizenship to debase everyone else and give them a bigger say than the TC's. Essentially, the TC's become a minority of a minority that is now pretty large and has an allegiance with Turkey. Also, how can the refugees return to their homes when it would mean you would have to turf the "new Cypriots". Now they are legitimate and have political clout in the government and given Turkeys track record and meddling nature, I'll leave the rest to your imagination.

less than 1% of the TC's and the settlers agree with Sener, he is a bane to them. This in my opinion thwarts the idea that making them Cypriot citizens will achieve peace. It creates more problems.

I just don't understand why they need to be given Cypriot citizenship.

The point is that Turkey's invasion isn't legitimized just because Levent as a Cypriot has an opinion that partially contradicts with the policy of what the RoC follows and he as a Cypriot is elected

Sorry, just to butt in briefly, on the matter of Illegal Settlers, Levent's position is very similar to that of the Pres and the leaders of the other big political parties. It differs massively in other areas.

[Oceanside50]

That's correct dthkie Bill, it differs in that the RoC is negotiating a Bbf and that means not all refugees return, whereas Levent wants all refugees to return under a unitary state