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[Paphitis]

Use your brain!

I will, because I cant use yours

ALSO please show me the law where this entitles them to Cypriot citizenship.

http://eudo-citizenship.eu/docs/ius-sol ... -brief.pdf

[Maximus]

Use your brain!

I will, because I cant use yours

ALSO please show me the law where this entitles them to Cypriot citizenship.

http://eudo-citizenship.eu/docs/ius-sol ... -brief.pdf

Ius Soli is valid for stateless peoples and legitimate immigrants. not illegal immigrants ( illegal settlers).

Anyway, this is a policy and not a law.

The opinions expressed in this text do not necessarily reflect the position of the EC

[Paphitis]

Use your brain!

I will, because I cant use yours

ALSO please show me the law where this entitles them to Cypriot citizenship.

http://eudo-citizenship.eu/docs/ius-sol ... -brief.pdf

Ius Soli is valid for stateless peoples and legitimate immigrants. not illegal immigrants ( illegal settlers).

Anyway, this is a policy and not a law.

I think you will find that those born in Cyprus are otherwise stateless (without the provision of jus sanguinis) but in any case there is no way that they will not obtain citizenship as their birthright!

http://www.eui.eu/Projects/EUDO/Documen ... ations.pdf

[Maximus]

No mate, they are not stateless and you are in a muddle.

These text's you are providing are opinion pieces endorsed by universities.

[Paphitis]

No mate, you are in a muddle.

These text's you are providing are opinion pieces endorsed by universities.

That is where it begins because the EU has not caught up with a case similar to Cyprus and hence they have not legislated.

However, there is such a thing as Jus Soli and Jus Sanguinis and Cyprus will be forced to conform with this.

[Maximus]

No mate, you are in a muddle.

These text's you are providing are opinion pieces endorsed by universities.

That is where it begins because the EU has not caught up with a case similar to Cyprus and hence they have not legislated.

However, there is such a thing as Jus Soli and Cyprus will be forced to conform with this.

Ok, so there is no law and these are just opinions.

[Paphitis]

No mate, you are in a muddle.

These text's you are providing are opinion pieces endorsed by universities.

That is where it begins because the EU has not caught up with a case similar to Cyprus and hence they have not legislated.

However, there is such a thing as Jus Soli and Cyprus will be forced to conform with this.

Ok, so there is no law and these are just opinions.

No there are Human Rights and Jus Soli which states that a birthright to citizenship exists.

You will find that the ECHR will concur.

[Maximus]

They are not stateless people.

You said its where laws begin but these text you have provided are not laws. You acknowledge.

The ECHR is a court of law. Show me the law adopted by the ECHR on illegal settlers brought over as a result of a foreign occupation and their right to citizenship in that (European) country.

[bill cobbett]

Let's look at the proposal like this : divide up all those who might make a claim to citizenship into different categories. Different people on this forum will have tolerance or intolerance for different categories and that will give shape to the particular kind of settlement possible and acceptable to different groups.

Category A* : all those people, born before 1974, who were born in Cyprus AND who were born to parents who were both also citizens of Cyprus, AND have been resident in Cyprus throughout their lives.

Category B* : all those people, born before 1974, who were born in Cyprus AND who were born to parents who were BOTH also citizens of Cyprus, AND have been resident in Cyprus for at least five** years.

Category C* : all those people, born before 1974, who were born in Cyprus AND who were born to parents ONE of whom was also citizen of Cyprus, AND have been resident in Cyprus for at least the last five** years.

* Where Cyprus refers to pre-1974
** Different durations would yield different implications.


Category D^ : all those people, born post-1974, who were born in Cyprus AND who were born to parents who were both also citizens of Cyprus, AND have been resident in Cyprus throughout their lives.

Category E^ : all those people, born post-1974, who were born in Cyprus AND who were born to parents who were both also citizens of Cyprus, AND have been resident in Cyprus for the majority of their lives.

Category F^ : all those people, born post-1974, who were born in Cyprus AND who were born to parents who were both also citizens of Cyprus, AND have been resident in Cyprus for at least the last five** years.

Category G^ : all those people, born post-1974, who were born in Cyprus AND who were born to parents ONE of whom was also a citizen of Cyprus, AND have been resident in Cyprus for at least the last five** years.

^ Where Cyprus refers to both south/RoC and north
** Different durations would yield different implications.


Category H : all those people, regardless of age, who were born outside of Cyprus AND both of whose parents was born in Cyprus before 1974.

Category I : all those people, regardless of age, who were born outside of Cyprus AND ONE of whose parents was born in Cyprus before 1974.

Category J : all those people, regardless of age, who were born outside of Cyprus and NEITHER of whose parents was born in Cyprus AND have CITIZENSHIP in Cyprus^^ for at least five** years.

Category K : all those people, regardless of age, who were born outside of Cyprus and NEITHER of whose parents was born in Cyprus AND have been RESIDENT in Cyprus for at least five** years.

^^ Cyprus meaning here both south/RoC and north.
** Different durations would yield different implications.


Basically maximalists will not likely accept any category other than Category A and D (possibly Category H), but many wouldn't accept even these categories for Turkish Cypriots. By contrast those keenest for a settlement will more likely accept more categories for citizenship down the list, even categories J and K which are essentially what people refer to as 'settlers'. By the way categories J and K would also cover the thousands of British and other European or Russian, etc, who have retired to or otherwise settled in Cyprus, as well as covering the usual Turkish settlers.

With a bit of research once could put numbers to these eleven categories. Thus I suspect that categories F, G, H, and I might be the largest categories - covering all those London Cypriots and Sydney/Melbourne Cypriots - i.e, the second/third generation Cypriot diaspora. Also each of these categories could be subdivided further, producing different and possibly significant nuances. For me, I'd consider everything up to and including Category K because I think a settlement based on unification is essential for all Cypriots, and better an imperfect settlement than another forty/fifty years of idiocy.

A useful contribution to debate.

... but just to add a trifle, that those of us in the Diaspora are not necessarily citizens of the Republic, indeed very, very few are and naturally most people are settled comfortably overseas with no interest in CY citizenship.

Anyone who left CY before a cut-off date (from memory in the late 50s), during the period of highest emigration from CY and their descendants are not regarded as CY citizens.

Those who want to be citizens have to make due and successful application, in much the same way as anyone else. So, suggest, we mark downwards numbers associated with the Diaspora.

[Paphitis]

They are not stateless people.

You said its where laws begin but these text you have provided are not laws. You acknowledge.

The ECHR is a court of law. Show me the law adopted by the ECHR on illegal settlers brought over as a result of a foreign occupation and their right to citizenship in that (European) country.

Bye bye Max!

http://www.juridicainternational.eu/?id=12457

It goes beyond statelessness so read it carefully.