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Re: Vote for Sener Levent ... !!!

Postby Maximus » Sat May 10, 2014 3:27 pm

CopperLine wrote:Let's look at the proposal like this : divide up all those who might make a claim to citizenship into different categories. Different people on this forum will have tolerance or intolerance for different categories and that will give shape to the particular kind of settlement possible and acceptable to different groups.

Category A* : all those people, born before 1974, who were born in Cyprus AND who were born to parents who were both also citizens of Cyprus, AND have been resident in Cyprus throughout their lives.

Category B* : all those people, born before 1974, who were born in Cyprus AND who were born to parents who were BOTH also citizens of Cyprus, AND have been resident in Cyprus for at least five** years.

Category C* : all those people, born before 1974, who were born in Cyprus AND who were born to parents ONE of whom was also citizen of Cyprus, AND have been resident in Cyprus for at least the last five** years.

* Where Cyprus refers to pre-1974
** Different durations would yield different implications.


Category D^ : all those people, born post-1974, who were born in Cyprus AND who were born to parents who were both also citizens of Cyprus, AND have been resident in Cyprus throughout their lives.

Category E^ : all those people, born post-1974, who were born in Cyprus AND who were born to parents who were both also citizens of Cyprus, AND have been resident in Cyprus for the majority of their lives.

Category F^ : all those people, born post-1974, who were born in Cyprus AND who were born to parents who were both also citizens of Cyprus, AND have been resident in Cyprus for at least the last five** years.

Category G^ : all those people, born post-1974, who were born in Cyprus AND who were born to parents ONE of whom was also a citizen of Cyprus, AND have been resident in Cyprus for at least the last five** years.

^ Where Cyprus refers to both south/RoC and north
** Different durations would yield different implications.


Category H : all those people, regardless of age, who were born outside of Cyprus AND both of whose parents was born in Cyprus before 1974.

Category I : all those people, regardless of age, who were born outside of Cyprus AND ONE of whose parents was born in Cyprus before 1974.

Category J : all those people, regardless of age, who were born outside of Cyprus and NEITHER of whose parents was born in Cyprus AND have CITIZENSHIP in Cyprus^^ for at least five** years.

Category K : all those people, regardless of age, who were born outside of Cyprus and NEITHER of whose parents was born in Cyprus AND have been RESIDENT in Cyprus for at least five** years.

^^ Cyprus meaning here both south/RoC and north.
** Different durations would yield different implications.


Basically maximalists will not likely accept any category other than Category A and D (possibly Category H), but many wouldn't accept even these categories for Turkish Cypriots. By contrast those keenest for a settlement will more likely accept more categories for citizenship down the list, even categories J and K which are essentially what people refer to as 'settlers'. By the way categories J and K would also cover the thousands of British and other European or Russian, etc, who have retired to or otherwise settled in Cyprus, as well as covering the usual Turkish settlers.

With a bit of research once could put numbers to these eleven categories. Thus I suspect that categories F, G, H, and I might be the largest categories - covering all those London Cypriots and Sydney/Melbourne Cypriots - i.e, the second/third generation Cypriot diaspora. Also each of these categories could be subdivided further, producing different and possibly significant nuances. For me, I'd consider everything up to and including Category K because I think a settlement based on unification is essential for all Cypriots, and better an imperfect settlement than another forty/fifty years of idiocy.


Please do a little bit of research and complete your algorithm. At the moment this post is like a database search query or an uncoded computer program formulated around assumptions.
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Re: Vote for Sener Levent ... !!!

Postby CopperLine » Sat May 10, 2014 3:39 pm

Maximus wrote:
CopperLine wrote:Let's look at the proposal like this : divide up all those who might make a claim to citizenship into different categories. Different people on this forum will have tolerance or intolerance for different categories and that will give shape to the particular kind of settlement possible and acceptable to different groups.

Category A* : all those people, born before 1974, who were born in Cyprus AND who were born to parents who were both also citizens of Cyprus, AND have been resident in Cyprus throughout their lives.

Category B* : all those people, born before 1974, who were born in Cyprus AND who were born to parents who were BOTH also citizens of Cyprus, AND have been resident in Cyprus for at least five** years.

Category C* : all those people, born before 1974, who were born in Cyprus AND who were born to parents ONE of whom was also citizen of Cyprus, AND have been resident in Cyprus for at least the last five** years.

* Where Cyprus refers to pre-1974
** Different durations would yield different implications.


Category D^ : all those people, born post-1974, who were born in Cyprus AND who were born to parents who were both also citizens of Cyprus, AND have been resident in Cyprus throughout their lives.

Category E^ : all those people, born post-1974, who were born in Cyprus AND who were born to parents who were both also citizens of Cyprus, AND have been resident in Cyprus for the majority of their lives.

Category F^ : all those people, born post-1974, who were born in Cyprus AND who were born to parents who were both also citizens of Cyprus, AND have been resident in Cyprus for at least the last five** years.

Category G^ : all those people, born post-1974, who were born in Cyprus AND who were born to parents ONE of whom was also a citizen of Cyprus, AND have been resident in Cyprus for at least the last five** years.

^ Where Cyprus refers to both south/RoC and north
** Different durations would yield different implications.


Category H : all those people, regardless of age, who were born outside of Cyprus AND both of whose parents was born in Cyprus before 1974.

Category I : all those people, regardless of age, who were born outside of Cyprus AND ONE of whose parents was born in Cyprus before 1974.

Category J : all those people, regardless of age, who were born outside of Cyprus and NEITHER of whose parents was born in Cyprus AND have CITIZENSHIP in Cyprus^^ for at least five** years.

Category K : all those people, regardless of age, who were born outside of Cyprus and NEITHER of whose parents was born in Cyprus AND have been RESIDENT in Cyprus for at least five** years.

^^ Cyprus meaning here both south/RoC and north.
** Different durations would yield different implications.


Basically maximalists will not likely accept any category other than Category A and D (possibly Category H), but many wouldn't accept even these categories for Turkish Cypriots. By contrast those keenest for a settlement will more likely accept more categories for citizenship down the list, even categories J and K which are essentially what people refer to as 'settlers'. By the way categories J and K would also cover the thousands of British and other European or Russian, etc, who have retired to or otherwise settled in Cyprus, as well as covering the usual Turkish settlers.

With a bit of research once could put numbers to these eleven categories. Thus I suspect that categories F, G, H, and I might be the largest categories - covering all those London Cypriots and Sydney/Melbourne Cypriots - i.e, the second/third generation Cypriot diaspora. Also each of these categories could be subdivided further, producing different and possibly significant nuances. For me, I'd consider everything up to and including Category K because I think a settlement based on unification is essential for all Cypriots, and better an imperfect settlement than another forty/fifty years of idiocy.


Please do a little bit of research and complete your algorithm. At the moment this post is like a database search query or an uncoded computer program.


??? Bizarre

It is not an attempt to do a search, it is not an attempt at a program and it is obviously not an algorithm. But if you know reliable sources for the population of each category please make yourself useful, Maximus.
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Re: Vote for Sener Levent ... !!!

Postby Maximus » Sat May 10, 2014 3:42 pm

why is it not an algorithm? You have constructed a rule to find data to assign to different categories.

A database search query is exactly what it is. Go find the database and assign numbers to your categories.

Stop making assumptions, bring the data and sources and then we can debate it..
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Re: Vote for Sener Levent ... !!!

Postby Paphitis » Sat May 10, 2014 3:43 pm

Welcome back CopperLine.
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Re: Vote for Sener Levent ... !!!

Postby Paphitis » Sat May 10, 2014 3:45 pm

Maximus wrote:
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Maximus wrote:He contradicts himself but I do not think that is going to happen.

If he does get into the European Parliament, he will receive overwhelming opposition to his suggestions to make the majority of the settlers Cypriot citizens. That's all that will happen.


Who said anything about the majority? Do you have any statistics as to how many were born in Cyprus and how many have married RoC citizens?

There is not a single sane person in the EU or UN who will challenge their right to stay and the RoC Government knows this.


Is their right to stay compatible with the EU aquis?

Please show me a law that says they are legally entitled and have a right to stay AND where the RoC government has acknowledged and knows this....


I am afraid so!

Not only that, but the UN Charter and the ECHR will not allow the expulsion of all those that were born in Cyprus and have lived in Cyprus all their lives.

This battle is a loser from the start.
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Re: Vote for Sener Levent ... !!!

Postby Maximus » Sat May 10, 2014 3:48 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:He contradicts himself but I do not think that is going to happen.

If he does get into the European Parliament, he will receive overwhelming opposition to his suggestions to make the majority of the settlers Cypriot citizens. That's all that will happen.


Who said anything about the majority? Do you have any statistics as to how many were born in Cyprus and how many have married RoC citizens?

There is not a single sane person in the EU or UN who will challenge their right to stay and the RoC Government knows this.


Is their right to stay compatible with the EU aquis?

Please show me a law that says they are legally entitled and have a right to stay AND where the RoC government has acknowledged and knows this....


I am afraid so!

Not only that, but the UN Charter and the ECHR will not allow the expulsion of all those that were born in Cyprus and have lived in Cyprus all their lives.

This battle is a loser from the start.


please show me.
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Re: Vote for Sener Levent ... !!!

Postby Paphitis » Sat May 10, 2014 3:49 pm

Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:He contradicts himself but I do not think that is going to happen.

If he does get into the European Parliament, he will receive overwhelming opposition to his suggestions to make the majority of the settlers Cypriot citizens. That's all that will happen.


Who said anything about the majority? Do you have any statistics as to how many were born in Cyprus and how many have married RoC citizens?

There is not a single sane person in the EU or UN who will challenge their right to stay and the RoC Government knows this.


Is their right to stay compatible with the EU aquis?

Please show me a law that says they are legally entitled and have a right to stay AND where the RoC government has acknowledged and knows this....


I am afraid so!

Not only that, but the UN Charter and the ECHR will not allow the expulsion of all those that were born in Cyprus and have lived in Cyprus all their lives.

This battle is a loser from the start.


please show me.


Use your brain!
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Re: Vote for Sener Levent ... !!!

Postby Maximus » Sat May 10, 2014 3:53 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Use your brain!


I will, because I cant use yours :D

ALSO please show me the law where this entitles them to Cypriot citizenship.
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Re: Vote for Sener Levent ... !!!

Postby Oceanside50 » Sat May 10, 2014 4:00 pm

British common law (which Cypriot law is based on)may somehow play into this in favor of some settlers.
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Re: Vote for Sener Levent ... !!!

Postby Maximus » Sat May 10, 2014 4:01 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:British common law (which Cypriot law is based on)may somehow play into this in favor of some settlers.


Some, how many? where is the law? why are they entitled to citizenship?

We just cant get there can we?
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