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[bill cobbett]

Who really knows Maxi...??? ... but Levent does give us a clue, when he throws down the challenge to greek-speakers to overcome what he calls the barriers in the mind and to walk across the street and vote for him.

Anyways, let's see if we can get "g"IG's knickers into even more of a twist, when Levent says...

"... Τοποθετείται χωρίς ενδοιασμούς υπέρ:
• Της επιστροφής όλων των προσφύγων και πλήρους αποκατάσταση των δικαιωμάτων ιδιοκτησίας,
ελεύθερης διακίνησης, εγκατάστασης και εργασίας παντού, σε όλη την Κύπρο, για όλους.
• Της συμφιλίωσης των δύο κοινοτήτων και όλων των έργων που θα βοηθήσουν να δημιουργηθεί κλίμα ειρήνης στον τόπο. ..."

... which goes something like, "... the return of all refugees and restoration of all property rights with freedom of movement, freedom to work and freedom to live all over CY for all CYs, with reconciliation projects to support peace...."

that's going to be difficult, and probably painful.

Is he planning on turfing out the "new Cypriots" on the street and making them refugees at everyone elses expense?

Errr... Kyriallaison, is there no pleasing you Maxi...??? ... but read that in conjunction with what Eroglu said earlier today... (reported at CY PIO).

Up 'til today Eroglu was saying No Territorial Adjustment, today he is saying he wants time to build new homes (presumably for those that can stay and will be dislodged).

We ain't trying to fit quarts in to pint pots file, cos we can always find one or two more pint pots. (... for those who ain't got a pint pot to piss in )

[Maximus]

Who really knows Maxi...??? ... but Levent does give us a clue, when he throws down the challenge to greek-speakers to overcome what he calls the barriers in the mind and to walk across the street and vote for him.

Anyways, let's see if we can get "g"IG's knickers into even more of a twist, when Levent says...

"... Τοποθετείται χωρίς ενδοιασμούς υπέρ:
• Της επιστροφής όλων των προσφύγων και πλήρους αποκατάσταση των δικαιωμάτων ιδιοκτησίας,
ελεύθερης διακίνησης, εγκατάστασης και εργασίας παντού, σε όλη την Κύπρο, για όλους.
• Της συμφιλίωσης των δύο κοινοτήτων και όλων των έργων που θα βοηθήσουν να δημιουργηθεί κλίμα ειρήνης στον τόπο. ..."

... which goes something like, "... the return of all refugees and restoration of all property rights with freedom of movement, freedom to work and freedom to live all over CY for all CYs, with reconciliation projects to support peace...."

that's going to be difficult, and probably painful.

Is he planning on turfing out the "new Cypriots" on the street and making them refugees at everyone elses expense?

Errr... Kyriallaison, is there no pleasing you Maxi...??? ... but read that in conjunction with what Eroglu said earlier today... (reported at CY PIO).

Up 'til today Eroglu was saying No Territorial Adjustment, today he is saying he wants time to build new homes (presumably for those that can stay and will be dislodged).

We ain't trying to fit quarts in to pint pots file, cos we can always find one or two more pint pots. (... for those who ain't got a pint pot to piss in )

I am difficult to please but Ill make it well worth your while trying, and if you do

Eroglu is stalling for time or he is planning to bring over more settlers. They will all get citizenship !!

Do you believe him?

[Flying Horse]

What was that bit of paper Turkey signed not so long ago...for all third party illegal people types returning back to Turkey from places within the EU that don't want them


Including the north...

The readmission agreement.

Aye, that's the one.

Surely this will help with the problem of pesky illegal immigrants?

[Maximus]

So what is it going to be? Levents unitary state where everyone is a CY or Eroglus territorial adjustment with political equality where everyone becomes a CY?

Turkey gravitates towards Eroglu and the other hardliners. (or is it the other way around)

[Maximus]

What was that bit of paper Turkey signed not so long ago...for all third party illegal people types returning back to Turkey from places within the EU that don't want them


Including the north...

The readmission agreement.

Aye, that's the one.

Surely this will help with the problem of pesky illegal immigrants?

Yes it does, unless we choose to disregard it.

[bill cobbett]

Who really knows Maxi...??? ... but Levent does give us a clue, when he throws down the challenge to greek-speakers to overcome what he calls the barriers in the mind and to walk across the street and vote for him.

Anyways, let's see if we can get "g"IG's knickers into even more of a twist, when Levent says...

"... Τοποθετείται χωρίς ενδοιασμούς υπέρ:
• Της επιστροφής όλων των προσφύγων και πλήρους αποκατάσταση των δικαιωμάτων ιδιοκτησίας,
ελεύθερης διακίνησης, εγκατάστασης και εργασίας παντού, σε όλη την Κύπρο, για όλους.
• Της συμφιλίωσης των δύο κοινοτήτων και όλων των έργων που θα βοηθήσουν να δημιουργηθεί κλίμα ειρήνης στον τόπο. ..."

... which goes something like, "... the return of all refugees and restoration of all property rights with freedom of movement, freedom to work and freedom to live all over CY for all CYs, with reconciliation projects to support peace...."

that's going to be difficult, and probably painful.

Is he planning on turfing out the "new Cypriots" on the street and making them refugees at everyone elses expense?

Errr... Kyriallaison, is there no pleasing you Maxi...??? ... but read that in conjunction with what Eroglu said earlier today... (reported at CY PIO).

Up 'til today Eroglu was saying No Territorial Adjustment, today he is saying he wants time to build new homes (presumably for those that can stay and will be dislodged).

We ain't trying to fit quarts in to pint pots file, cos we can always find one or two more pint pots. (... for those who ain't got a pint pot to piss in )

I am difficult to please but Ill make it well worth your while trying, and if you do

Eroglu is stalling for time or he is planning to bring over more settlers. They will all get citizenship !!

Do you believe him?

Oooh ... never believe politicians file, particularly one who has been side-lined. This is what he had to say on the subject today, to AA...

"... Touching on the issue of territorial adjustment, President Derviş Eroğlu said that the Turkish Cypriot Side’s position on the matter was to agree on a formula which would require as little re-location of people as possible.

“At the end we are working on reaching an agreement and we want to live the rest of our lives in peace. There have been developments that have taken place over the last 40 years which we can’t just ignore. We want to solve the issue of territory in a way which will require minimum relocation of settled populations” he said. ... "

... and this is how Sigma reports him... cyprus42074.html

[Paphitis]

And, what part of the Geneva Convention states that illegal immigrants cannot be returned to their homelands?

What part of the Geneva Convention states that countries cannot make such agreements to restore peace after a war?

And, what part of the Geneva Convention allows what is happening NOW, or will continue, which is the prevention of 200,000 GCs returning to their homes, in their OWN country?

Again (!!!)... would "g"IG give us some examples of '000s of Illegal Settlers, in something like the CY situation, being deported under the Geneva Convention.

If "g"IG had a single working brain-cell, she'd see that laws that aren't applied aren't laws, just next to useless well-meant declarations...!!!

You're the one who claimed the Geneva Convention would prevent the removal of the illegal immigrants when he have the solution. I don't see a problem, legally or morally in removing the illegal colonisers! So you need to answer the above questions otherwise you're just showing how ill-thought out your total support for this politician is.

Everyone wants the Turkish army out - but he intends to replace it with 100s of thousands of Turkish Settlers and bestow upon them Cypriot Citizenship.

So how is the Geneva convention going to stop the RoC allowing the GCs to return to their homes in the north and how is it going to stop the removal of those illegal immigrants? Where does it do that now?

Where was the Geneva Convention when 60,000 US, Australian and British Troops were slaves on the Thai - Burma railway (Hellfire Pass) of which 15000 were worked to death and the rest were so fucked up and a mere sack of bones when liberated? Any compensation? No not a single dime.

The allies even won the war but still, where was the Geneva Convention?

Fact is, the Geneva Convention can't be applied by simply saying Turkey contravened the convention back in 1974 and illegally colonized the island. no one will stand for this. It will never be allowed to be applied to anyone born in Cyprus or married to a TC. It is as simple as that.

What is evident to me is that all these maximalist claims will result in major roadblocks to a solution and in that time there will be thousands more settlers. It will only get worse.

Someone will have to pay off each settler and provide an inducement for them to return to Turkey on there own accord and there is no way Turkey will accept this liability so then it comes down to the RoC.

Yeh sure it all sounds good making these maximalist claims and politicians who engage in this activity appease populist sentiment and win elections, however, these politicians have bugger all chance achieving anything. What we need are some realistic politicians that will tell it the way it is and risk a voter backlash. That is what i expect from them. They have a duty to preserve the interests of the RoC and the people but not by making unrealistic and unachievable claims because we would be condemned for it. President A is probably prepared to make some difficult decisions, and some of these decisions I must say, i am not going to like but it is a medicine that has to be taken if we wont a solution. That is the reason why some of you don't like him.

A more pressing issue in my opinion is the Treaty of Guarantee.

[Klik]

It's rather odd that an "enemy" has better views on the Cyprus issue than the "heroes".
He's an interesting option but I don't think that many will be appealed by him. The only thing I've personally decided is that I will not vote for DHSY or DHKO. AKEL was never an option... so my vote might even fall to mr. Sener Levent.

[kurupetos]

It's rather odd that an "enemy" has better views on the Cyprus issue than the "heroes".
He's an interesting option but I don't think that many will be appealed by him. The only thing I've personally decided is that I will not vote for DHSY or DHKO. AKEL was never an option... so my vote might even fall to mr. Sener Levent.

IMO Levent's candidacy will be a good indicator to whether TCs really want solution of the Cyprus problem.

If so, both GCs and TCs should abandon disguised partition (i.e. BBF) and seek a unitary solution.

[Maximus]

And, what part of the Geneva Convention states that illegal immigrants cannot be returned to their homelands?

What part of the Geneva Convention states that countries cannot make such agreements to restore peace after a war?

And, what part of the Geneva Convention allows what is happening NOW, or will continue, which is the prevention of 200,000 GCs returning to their homes, in their OWN country?

Again (!!!)... would "g"IG give us some examples of '000s of Illegal Settlers, in something like the CY situation, being deported under the Geneva Convention.

If "g"IG had a single working brain-cell, she'd see that laws that aren't applied aren't laws, just next to useless well-meant declarations...!!!

You're the one who claimed the Geneva Convention would prevent the removal of the illegal immigrants when he have the solution. I don't see a problem, legally or morally in removing the illegal colonisers! So you need to answer the above questions otherwise you're just showing how ill-thought out your total support for this politician is.

Everyone wants the Turkish army out - but he intends to replace it with 100s of thousands of Turkish Settlers and bestow upon them Cypriot Citizenship.

So how is the Geneva convention going to stop the RoC allowing the GCs to return to their homes in the north and how is it going to stop the removal of those illegal immigrants? Where does it do that now?

Where was the Geneva Convention when 60,000 US, Australian and British Troops were slaves on the Thai - Burma railway (Hellfire Pass) of which 15000 were worked to death and the rest were so fucked up and a mere sack of bones when liberated? Any compensation? No not a single dime.

The allies even won the war but still, where was the Geneva Convention?

Fact is, the Geneva Convention can't be applied by simply saying Turkey contravened the convention back in 1974 and illegally colonized the island. no one will stand for this. It will never be allowed to be applied to anyone born in Cyprus or married to a TC. It is as simple as that.

What is evident to me is that all these maximalist claims will result in major roadblocks to a solution and in that time there will be thousands more settlers. It will only get worse.

Someone will have to pay off each settler and provide an inducement for them to return to Turkey on there own accord and there is no way Turkey will accept this liability so then it comes down to the RoC.

Yeh sure it all sounds good making these maximalist claims and politicians who engage in this activity appease populist sentiment and win elections, however, these politicians have bugger all chance achieving anything. What we need are some realistic politicians that will tell it the way it is and risk a voter backlash. That is what i expect from them. They have a duty to preserve the interests of the RoC and the people but not by making unrealistic and unachievable claims because we would be condemned for it. President A is probably prepared to make some difficult decisions, and some of these decisions I must say, i am not going to like but it is a medicine that has to be taken if we wont a solution. That is the reason why some of you don't like him.

A more pressing issue in my opinion is the Treaty of Guarantee.

Guarantee or not Turkey will never not intervene should there be a conflict involving the Turks in Cyprus, especially now that there are going to be 'New Cypriots'.

What I find interesting is that no GC is demanding from Turkey to be made a Turkish citizen (like Britain did) but readily accepts to make the settlers Cypriots to debase themselves and the rest.

Be careful, Cyprus does not turn into an advanced Turkish democracy or even a Ukraine.