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[GreekIslandGirl]

No problem. Population exchanges have happened before.

- The Turkish settlers can go back to Turkey, and in exchange the Greek Cypriots can go back to their homes - in the whole of Cyprus.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander!

[Maximus]

Now I understand what he means whe he says he is for ALL of Cyprus. I think he goes a bit too far but let me try to make some changes to the Levent plan

Democratic, unitary, EU member state.
Property rights are reinstated back to the original owners.
The settlers get a temporary work permit, no citizenship, no voting rights, to cover a transitional period. (excepting EU citizens that can stay, but lose the property if in conflict otherwise pay a levy to the government to keep it)
The TSK leaves and Turkey respects Cyprus sovereign integrity, never to return.
Compensation etc pending agreement.

[repulsewarrior]

...it is the carpetbaggers that deserve an end not too appealing, based on the Principal, you get what you pay for; and what of their children?

Humanity, Cypriots can demonstrate, this is the purpose of a European Union, the dialog which promotes that change, where its value is Universal.

...these are the questions we must ask ourselves, as Cypriots, to solve our own problems, and as Citizens of the World, in solving the Problem.

...a "Greek" member makes sense (out of six), in that a vast majority of the population in Cyprus is Greek, and surely, if this is the case, a distinct identity like "Turkish" can rally, (what with what is behind "Turkishness"). Sener Levent, and those that place Cyprus first, in such a dialog represent a fulcrum, if there is to be balance in the outcome, for Cypriots.

[bill cobbett]

That's just great, even the lawyer Copperline is looking for ways to justify turkeys violation of the Geneva Convention a war crime at that, not to mention the other tens of crimnal violations inorder to get the gypsies to stay. I couldn't give a rats arse how long those f gypsies have been here, trying to justfy the crime to suit your purpose is what the Turks do best.
F them, f you, see you in another 5 years. Ciao.

Errr ... B25, you and "population exchanges" "g"IG must come up with some examples, in recent years, of Illegal Settlers being sent packing back to whence they came as a result of the Geneva Convention.

[GreekIslandGirl]

That's just great, even the lawyer Copperline is looking for ways to justify turkeys violation of the Geneva Convention a war crime at that, not to mention the other tens of crimnal violations inorder to get the gypsies to stay. I couldn't give a rats arse how long those f gypsies have been here, trying to justfy the crime to suit your purpose is what the Turks do best.
F them, f you, see you in another 5 years. Ciao.

Errr ... B25, you and "population exchanges" "g"IG must come up with some examples, in recent years, of Illegal Settlers being sent packing back to whence they came as a result of the Geneva Convention.

Hey! Where was the Geneva Convention in 1974? Where is the Geneva Convention NOW when 200,000 GCs are still denied their homes?

[GreekIslandGirl]

Now I understand what he means whe he says he is for ALL of Cyprus. I think he goes a bit too far but let me try to make some changes to the Levent plan

Democratic, unitary, EU member state.
Property rights are reinstated back to the original owners.
The settlers get a temporary work permit, no citizenship, no voting rights, to cover a transitional period. (excepting EU citizens that can stay, but lose the property if in conflict otherwise pay a levy to the government to keep it)
The TSK leaves and Turkey respects Cyprus sovereign integrity, never to return.
Compensation etc pending agreement.

Perfect!

[Except, that the compensation comes from Turkey who displaced everybody in the first place - not just Turkish Settlers, but GCs and TCs!]

[GreekIslandGirl]

And, what part of the Geneva Convention states that illegal immigrants cannot be returned to their homelands?

What part of the Geneva Convention states that countries cannot make such agreements to restore peace after a war?

And, what part of the Geneva Convention allows what is happening NOW, or will continue, which is the prevention of 200,000 GCs returning to their homes, in their OWN country?

[Maximus]

Now I understand what he means whe he says he is for ALL of Cyprus. I think he goes a bit too far but let me try to make some changes to the Levent plan

Democratic, unitary, EU member state.
Property rights are reinstated back to the original owners.
The settlers get a temporary work permit, no citizenship, no voting rights, to cover a transitional period. (excepting EU citizens that can stay, but lose the property if in conflict otherwise pay a levy to the government to keep it)
The TSK leaves and Turkey respects Cyprus sovereign integrity, never to return.
Compensation etc pending agreement.

Perfect!

[Except, that the compensation comes from Turkey who displaced everybody in the first place - not just Turkish Settlers, but GCs and TCs!]

Levent is contradicting himself a bit. He gave me the impression that he has a negative view on the regime when it comes to giving the "new Cypriots" "TRNC" citizenship but then he expects the RoC to do exactly that same thing.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Now I understand what he means whe he says he is for ALL of Cyprus. I think he goes a bit too far but let me try to make some changes to the Levent plan

Democratic, unitary, EU member state.
Property rights are reinstated back to the original owners.
The settlers get a temporary work permit, no citizenship, no voting rights, to cover a transitional period. (excepting EU citizens that can stay, but lose the property if in conflict otherwise pay a levy to the government to keep it)
The TSK leaves and Turkey respects Cyprus sovereign integrity, never to return.
Compensation etc pending agreement.

Perfect!

[Except, that the compensation comes from Turkey who displaced everybody in the first place - not just Turkish Settlers, but GCs and TCs!]

Levent is contradicting himself a bit. He gave me the impression that he has a negative view on the regime when it comes to giving the "new Cypriots" "TRNC" citizenship but then he expects the RoC to do exactly that same thing.

Reh, Maximus, most of the TCs are probably against Turkey - NOW - but not because they love us or democracy and equality. No, it's because they have what they wanted and now they want to rule themselves and also the bonus of a ready entry into the EU (something that is denied them fully with Turkey around).

In respect of Levent's double-speak - he is a perfect politician. And he seems to have learnt a few more tricks from the Turks.

[bill cobbett]

And, what part of the Geneva Convention states that illegal immigrants cannot be returned to their homelands?

What part of the Geneva Convention states that countries cannot make such agreements to restore peace after a war?

And, what part of the Geneva Convention allows what is happening NOW, or will continue, which is the prevention of 200,000 GCs returning to their homes, in their OWN country?

Again (!!!)... would "g"IG give us some examples of '000s of Illegal Settlers, in something like the CY situation, being deported under the Geneva Convention.

If "g"IG had a single working brain-cell, she'd see that laws that aren't applied aren't laws, just next to useless well-meant declarations...!!!