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Re: The Joint Declaration Released Today...

Postby Jerry » Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:22 pm

Lordo wrote:the only laws that apply are the decisions by the echr clarifying a home and a house from the legal stand point of you and thats all we need. problem solved.


Rather a simple solution from a simple mind. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: The Joint Declaration Released Today...

Postby Maximus » Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:23 pm

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Maximus wrote:I agree with you!

From the perspective of the people (+ Turkey) north of the ceasefire line, the best deal is a separate recognized state. This IS what they want.


So what you are saying is that what you offer falls short of a recognized TRNC...then if you were us what would you choose?


I would not have moved to TRNC in the first place. :roll:
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Re: The Joint Declaration Released Today...

Postby bill cobbett » Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:33 pm

Well this is a massive surprise... Eroglu the Rejectionist...

NO AGREEMENT according to Phile...

http://incyprus.philenews.com/en-gb/Top ... -agreement
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Re: The Joint Declaration Released Today...

Postby Jerry » Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:37 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Jerry wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Wİthout arbitration and deadlines our moronic leaders on both sides of the fence will go around in circles for the next zillion years. Imho there also has to be penalities if a solution is not reached.


VP if arbitration was applied to the Cyprus problem according to international law then it would be worse for you than the AP and the GCs would have most if not all of their claims/demands met. Arbitration means agreeing to be bound by the decision of the arbitrator, the UN has been a mediator in Cyprus. You confuse the word arbitration for compromise.

The ROC would, I'm sure, welcome arbitration provided it was based on the principles on which the UN, EU and other bodies were founded rather than Turkey's law of the jungle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitration


Arbitration was used in the AP and you rejected it, so what you are claiming is a contradiction.


NO! The AP was the result of MEDIATION. Genuine arbitration is where the parties agree to be bound by the arbitrators decision, so the AP would have been applied without a referendum if that was the case. I gave you a link, read it, buy yourself a decent dictionary.
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Re: The Joint Declaration Released Today...

Postby Viewpoint » Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:56 pm

Jerry wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Jerry wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Wİthout arbitration and deadlines our moronic leaders on both sides of the fence will go around in circles for the next zillion years. Imho there also has to be penalities if a solution is not reached.


VP if arbitration was applied to the Cyprus problem according to international law then it would be worse for you than the AP and the GCs would have most if not all of their claims/demands met. Arbitration means agreeing to be bound by the decision of the arbitrator, the UN has been a mediator in Cyprus. You confuse the word arbitration for compromise.

The ROC would, I'm sure, welcome arbitration provided it was based on the principles on which the UN, EU and other bodies were founded rather than Turkey's law of the jungle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitration


Arbitration was used in the AP and you rejected it, so what you are claiming is a contradiction.


NO! The AP was the result of MEDIATION. Genuine arbitration is where the parties agree to be bound by the arbitrators decision, so the AP would have been applied without a referendum if that was the case. I gave you a link, read it, buy yourself a decent dictionary.


Who filled in the blanks?
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Re: The Joint Declaration Released Today...

Postby Jerry » Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:13 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Who filled in the blanks?



You just don't know when to give up do you VP.

The UN filled in the blanks, we all know that.

But the UN's Annan Plan WAS NOT BINDING, it was the result of years/months of MEDIATION not ARBITRATION

I really don't know why we bother with you VP, it's like talking to a little child.
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Re: The Joint Declaration Released Today...

Postby Viewpoint » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:42 pm

Jerry wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Who filled in the blanks?



You just don't know when to give up do you VP.

The UN filled in the blanks, we all know that.

But the UN's Annan Plan WAS NOT BINDING, it was the result of years/months of MEDIATION not ARBITRATION

I really don't know why we bother with you VP, it's like talking to a little child.


Have you not heard of non binding arbitration? Anyway we are getting away from the real point which is that without non binding arbitration/mediation we do not have a chance in hell, because we do not have the capacity to fill in the blanks by ourselves and should have a dealine by which time the experts fill in the blanks and then we can go to referendum.
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Re: The Joint Declaration Released Today...

Postby Jerry » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:56 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Jerry wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Who filled in the blanks?



You just don't know when to give up do you VP.

The UN filled in the blanks, we all know that.

But the UN's Annan Plan WAS NOT BINDING, it was the result of years/months of MEDIATION not ARBITRATION

I really don't know why we bother with you VP, it's like talking to a little child.


Have you not heard of non binding arbitration? Anyway we are getting away from the real point which is that without non binding arbitration/mediation we do not have a chance in hell, because we do not have the capacity to fill in the blanks by ourselves and should have a dealine by which time the experts fill in the blanks and then we can go to referendum.


A pedantic little child, :lol: :lol: :lol:

Go on you have the last word, I give up.
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Re: The Joint Declaration Released Today...

Postby Viewpoint » Thu Feb 06, 2014 3:06 pm

Jerry wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Jerry wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Who filled in the blanks?



You just don't know when to give up do you VP.

The UN filled in the blanks, we all know that.

But the UN's Annan Plan WAS NOT BINDING, it was the result of years/months of MEDIATION not ARBITRATION

I really don't know why we bother with you VP, it's like talking to a little child.


Have you not heard of non binding arbitration? Anyway we are getting away from the real point which is that without non binding arbitration/mediation we do not have a chance in hell, because we do not have the capacity to fill in the blanks by ourselves and should have a dealine by which time the experts fill in the blanks and then we can go to referendum.


A pedantic little child, :lol: :lol: :lol:

Go on you have the last word, I give up.


Because you cant address the real questions.
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Re: The Joint Declaration Released Today...

Postby zan » Thu Feb 06, 2014 6:34 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Jerry wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Jerry wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Who filled in the blanks?



You just don't know when to give up do you VP.

The UN filled in the blanks, we all know that.

But the UN's Annan Plan WAS NOT BINDING, it was the result of years/months of MEDIATION not ARBITRATION

I really don't know why we bother with you VP, it's like talking to a little child.


Have you not heard of non binding arbitration? Anyway we are getting away from the real point which is that without non binding arbitration/mediation we do not have a chance in hell, because we do not have the capacity to fill in the blanks by ourselves and should have a dealine by which time the experts fill in the blanks and then we can go to referendum.


A pedantic little child, :lol: :lol: :lol:

Go on you have the last word, I give up.


Because you cant address the real questions.




Come on VP....... You know;

Arbitration = GCs using UN resolutions

Mediation = GCs pretending our thoughts count. :lol:
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