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[MrH]

Let the younger, less lived and educated on the matter of Cyprus, understand that if there is ever a return to a UNITARY state of Cyprus, it will be the one BEFORE Makarios' 13 Point changes, including those changed elements voted in by the Greek Cypriots [Only].

It's high time that the Greek Cypriots understand that any so called abandonment of a Federal deal based on two Bi-Zonal, Bi-Communal two Federated states can only be the [b]Complete reinstatement of the Original 1960 Cyprus republic with all of its Zurich agreements, removal of any Greek Cypriot lead changes and the functioning of all of its original treaties.

It must also include an Agreements solely made by the Greek Cypriots of the island; such as voting to be a part of the European Union, which, the Turkish Cypriots would have obviously opposed in 2004 without the inclusion of the Republic of Turkey in the EU first (as with greece). [/b]


As an addition (only).......
This leads me to why a divided and broken Greek Cypriot Republic of Cyprus was Allowed to enter the ranks of the EU in 2004, and why Turkey refused to Oppose it. Yes! Turkey refused to oppose it....for reasons that we may all understand later.

If you can understand and digest the above, this will be a very good string in this forum, but if it's trodden on and laughed at by the Greek Cypriots, even though they know it's the truth, then the Cyprus negotiations are truly a complete waste of time and that the Island of Cyprus will end up either as Two Republic states or the Northern part eventually Annexed by Turkey.

by Huseyin Ozgurgun,
https://www.google.co.uk/#q=huseyin+ozgurgun

[Get Real!]

...if there is ever a return to a UNITARY state of Cyprus, it will be the one BEFORE Makarios' 13 Point changes, including those changed elements voted in by the Greek Cypriots [Only].

That can never happen now because you foolishly violated this law shooting yourselves in both feet:

[b]The 4th Geneva Convention - Article 49 Population transfer

“The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.”

[boulio]

the 13 points were submitted in dec 1963,what about the turkish partition plan date in sept of 1963 Mr.H:

http://cyprus-mail.com/2014/01/26/why-d ... itas-plan/

[GreekIslandGirl]

Let the younger, less lived and educated on the matter of Cyprus, understand that if there is ever a return to a UNITARY state of Cyprus, it will be ....

... to the time BEFORE the Ottoman-Turks first invaded!

[Get Real!]

Let the younger, less lived and educated on the matter of Cyprus, understand that if there is ever a return to a UNITARY state of Cyprus, it will be ....

... to the time BEFORE the Ottoman-Turks first invaded!

[MrH]

boulio said,

the 13 points were submitted in dec 1963,what about the turkish partition plan date in sept of 1963 Mr.H:

http://cyprus-mail.com/2014/01/26/why-d ... itas-plan/

That "turkish partition plan" was actually an American lead plan where the "Green Line" was drawn in 1954, prior to the establishment of the Original Cyprus Republic in 1960. Furthermore, it was also in retaliation to Greece, and the Greek Cypriot's close relations with Russia, which may I add is now even closer - Hence, more trouble for all of us in the near future!

[MrH]

by Get Real! » Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:14 pm

MrH wrote:
...if there is ever a return to a UNITARY state of Cyprus, it will be the one BEFORE Makarios' 13 Point changes, including those changed elements voted in by the Greek Cypriots [Only].
That can never happen now because you foolishly violated this law shooting yourselves in both feet:

[b]The 4th Geneva Convention - Article 49 Population transfer

“The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.”

Get Real,
Consider this mindset my friend, when it comes to the Cyprus issue, regardless of the many laws and articles that were signed, included even the High Level agreements, the Slate is always cleaned when I and my colleagues sit around the table with Your President when discussing a "Comprehensive" solution - even the status of its most current laws. In short, everyone is seeking a Comprehensive solution to the Cyprus issue where, turly, anything goes. Look at what happened to the former Yoguslavia - One War, and all agreements prior were immediately thrown in the gutter for a 5-Republic state Split, accepted by the Europoean Union and UN themseves. Mark my words Get Real, I have sat with many of your present and particularly former GC leaders and government men who have changed their tune on countless of times - from a Federal formula, to a Unitary one, to outright Hellenic Partition (depending on what we TCs throw at them!).

You must understand by now that the Geneva Convention is a body of ever changing sympathisers whom constantly change their views according to......."Politcal and Financial" constraints, as if they did due to Humanitarian purposes, half of your leaders, and even ours, would be in a Court for the Judgement of War crimes from 1955 to 1974, Collectively!

[Jerry]

by Get Real! » Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:14 pm

MrH wrote:
...if there is ever a return to a UNITARY state of Cyprus, it will be the one BEFORE Makarios' 13 Point changes, including those changed elements voted in by the Greek Cypriots [Only].
That can never happen now because you foolishly violated this law shooting yourselves in both feet:

[b]The 4th Geneva Convention - Article 49 Population transfer

“The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.”

Get Real,
Consider this mindset my friend, when it comes to the Cyprus issue, regardless of the many laws and articles that were signed, included even the High Level agreements, the Slate is always cleaned when I and my colleagues sit around the table with Your President when discussing a "Comprehensive" solution - even the status of its most current laws. In short, everyone is seeking a Comprehensive solution to the Cyprus issue where, turly, anything goes. Look at what happened to the former Yoguslavia - One War, and all agreements prior were immediately thrown in the gutter for a 5-Republic state Split, accepted by the Europoean Union and UN themseves. Mark my words Get Real, I have sat with many of your present and particularly former GC leaders and government men who have changed their tune on countless of times - from a Federal formula, to a Unitary one, to outright Hellenic Partition (depending on what we TCs throw at them!).

You must understand by now that the Geneva Convention is a body of ever changing sympathisers whom constantly change their views according to......."Politcal and Financial" constraints, as if they did due to Humanitarian purposes, half of your leaders, and even ours, would be in a Court for the Judgement of War crimes from 1955 to 1974, Collectively!

Mr H, if the President of the Republic of Cyprus is daft enough to engage with persons of your calibre to solve the Cyprus Problem then God help us.

[MrH]

Jerry,

The so-called President of only the Greek Cypriot part of the island is actually negotiating with Turkey and Not the Turkish Cypriots....tell him to open his eyes, Oooppps, sorry, he's been paid off since the days he had openly accepted the Annan Plan, thus why Partition is now on the cards!

[Jerry]

Jerry,

The so-called President of only the Greek Cypriot part of the island is actually negotiating with Turkey and Not the Turkish Cypriots....tell him to open his eyes, Oooppps, sorry, he's been paid off since the days he had openly accepted the Annan Plan, thus why Partition is now on the cards!

Are you sure the President of the internationally recognised Republic of Cyprus is negotiating with Turkey?

You said that he was negotiating with YOU, "when I and my colleagues sit around the table with Your President"

Somehow I get the impression you are the biggest bullshitter on CF.