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[zan]

It seems that I was not clear enough.

Any settler who was shipped and illegally entered or enters Cyprus, under a certain plan to change the demographics of the island, has no right to be baptized Tc or Cypriot.
The same plan that was forced by Turkey to Alexadretta is repeated in Cyprus.
Turkey in order to secure the land that grabbed from Gcs has illegally settled it with thousands of Anatolians. This violates the Geneva Convention of 1949 that prohibits colonization by an occupying power. Colonization is a war crime and Turkey is guilty of colonization.

But, as I thought and expected, none of you gave any comments on Cuco's report which is very clear. Why guys? Come on, let us have your comments on the following:

-The vast majority of the settlers were peasants and shepherds from Anatolia who moved into villages that had been abandoned by Greek Cypriots.
-The aim of the Turkish-Cypriot Administration's policy towards the settlers has been to promote their permanent establishment on the island
-Over the years the growing numbers of the Turkish settlers and the role that some of them play in political life have created concerns within the Turkish-Cypriot community.

-Nevertheless, the most important measure for the settlers has been the possibility of acquiring Turkish-Cypriot nationality. In 1975, the Turkish-Cypriot Administration passed Act No. 3/1975, under which nationality could be given to anyone who requested it and, in particular, to members of the Turkish armed forces who had served in Cyprus, the wives, children and brothers of members of these forces who had fallen in Cyprus between 20 July 1974 and 20 August 1974 or to persons who had served in the Turkish Resistance Organisation in Cyprus or Turkey.-

-The Assembly is convinced that the presence of the settlers constitutes a process of hidden colonization and an additional and important obstacle to a peaceful negotiated solution of the Cyprus problem.” (CoE Parliamentary Assembly 24 June 2003, “colonization)-
http://www.db.idpproject.org/Sites/IdpP ... E000526F29

You made yourself perfectly clear, don’t worry about that!
Your single minded goal of getting back at the Turks leaves you no choice but to be a racist with a leaning towards the ethnic cleansing that you so righteously keep accusing the Turks of doing. You know what is worse than a man being heartless is to see a woman and a mother doing the same.
Pack them up and send them to wherever they came from. I can just imagine you standing there with your white coat on processing these PEOPLE through your conveyor belt of Hellenistic racism. Your legal statements make no mention of what the human rights of these people are. They have used as pawns on a political stage but all you care about is what your rights are or you’re obsessed with taking away other peoples rights. The reasons for why these people were used as they were have been argued over and over but that does not excuse your arrogant and heartless attitude to the peacetime expelling of thousands of PEOPLE because of your Greek only agenda. A solution has to be found without the need to give massive change to peoples lives once again. Hell, I would even add a clause that allows racist GC women the right to stay on the island, as long as they attend help group classes and undergo psychiatric analysis. You sometimes show a great deal of ignorance in your racist outbursts in that you obviously have not thought things through. And that you only know the racist history that the same people has fed you that caused the situation in which these people were moved in the first place. Your sound bites of Greek propaganda are at best tiresome and at worst ill informed and dangerous.

I hope that I have made myself clear!

[RAFAELLA]

It seems that I was not clear enough.

Oh yes you did my dear, didn't she boys and girls? LOL
Your said "Hold on a second! How come a Bulgarian Turk settler, a SETTLER, can call himself bulgarian turkish Cypriot??? LOL", you even laughed at the end, remember?
Let's repeat that one more time "How come a Bulgarian Turk settler, a STTLER, can call himself bulagrian turkish cypriot??? LOL", I think that you made yourself perfectly clear dear (LOL) but after realising that you made a fool of yourself, you are now trying to backtrack and "correct" your "mistake". Do you know the best thing about the Internet forums? You can go back and check to see if someone like yourself is trying to tell lies or not. Internet iz gut, no? LOL

I know very well what I write and I don’t need indications from you or anybody else regarding my postings.

An ILLEGAL SETTLER, is still illegal in any shape or form.
An ILLEGAL SETTLER, is an illegal settler whether he’s a Bulgarian Turk, Anatolian peasant - gypsy or Extraterrestrial.
CUCO: Nevertheless, the most important measure for the settlers has been the possibility of acquiring Turkish-Cypriot nationality. In 1975, the Turkish-Cypriot Administration passed Act No. 3/1975, under which nationality could be given to anyone who requested it and, in particular, to members of the Turkish armed forces who had served in Cyprus, the wives, children and brothers of members of these forces who had fallen in Cyprus between 20 July 1974 and 20 August 1974 or to persons who had served in the Turkish Resistance Organization in Cyprus or Turkey.
… it seems that even the birds that flew over the occupied area were given the Tc nationality.

But, as I thought and expected, none of you gave any comments on Cuco's report which is very clear. Why guys? Come on, let us have your comments on the following:

The rest of the crap that I ommited from your excuse of a posting is more than likely the reason why people in their right minds do not reply to your silly and racist postings.

You didn’t omit, you avoided.
You avoided due to your constant attempt to discredit anything that doesn't suit your views or your nation.
The part of my posting that you call crap, the one that you avoided replying, includes part of Alfons Cucó’s report that was made on behalf of the EU Counsil. It’s NOT my report. I just transferred it as a proof and confirmation of the continuous crime of colonization by Turkey.
Therefore your pointless and null accusations goes to him.

[RAFAELLA]

You made yourself perfectly clear, don’t worry about that!
Your single minded goal of getting back at the Turks leaves you no choice but to be a racist with a leaning towards the ethnic cleansing that you so righteously keep accusing the Turks of doing. You know what is worse than a man being heartless is to see a woman and a mother doing the same.
Pack them up and send them to wherever they came from. I can just imagine you standing there with your white coat on processing these PEOPLE through your conveyor belt of Hellenistic racism. Your legal statements make no mention of what the human rights of these people are. They have used as pawns on a political stage but all you care about is what your rights are or you’re obsessed with taking away other peoples rights. The reasons for why these people were used as they were have been argued over and over but that does not excuse your arrogant and heartless attitude to the peacetime expelling of thousands of PEOPLE because of your Greek only agenda. A solution has to be found without the need to give massive change to peoples lives once again. Hell, I would even add a clause that allows racist GC women the right to stay on the island, as long as they attend help group classes and undergo psychiatric analysis. You sometimes show a great deal of ignorance in your racist outbursts in that you obviously have not thought things through. And that you only know the racist history that the same people has fed you that caused the situation in which these people were moved in the first place. Your sound bites of Greek propaganda are at best tiresome and at worst ill informed and dangerous.

I hope that I have made myself clear!

One day Nasreddin Hodja saw a garden and entered. There he saw many kinds of fruits and began to put them in his bag. At this moment the owner of the garden arrived and asked:
“What are you doing there?”
“You know the storm we had yesterday”, said the Hodja. “It blew me here.”
“And who broke off this fruit?”
“I wanted to hold on to the branches and they fell down.”
“And who put this fruit in the bag?”
“I was just thinking of that”, said the Hodja. “Come on, we'll think together!”

[zan]

Double entry

[zan]

Raffaella wrote

One day Nasreddin Hodja saw a garden and entered. There he saw many kinds of fruits and began to put them in his bag. At this moment the owner of the garden arrived and asked:
“What are you doing there?”
“You know the storm we had yesterday”, said the Hodja. “It blew me here.”
“And who broke off this fruit?”
“I wanted to hold on to the branches and they fell down.”
“And who put this fruit in the bag?”
“I was just thinking of that”, said the Hodja. “Come on, we'll think together!”

I think your story needs translating.If you read the 10 items bellow you will find all the same sentiments of your story. It’s a little bit long but it proves your story has been told before!

Ten Responses to Jewish Lackeys
by Kurt Hilmar Eitzen

There are still Jewish lackeys today who attempt to disrupt our storm attack on the Jewish world rulers, trying to stop us or even cause us to fall. The following hints show how one can reply to these arguments by our opponents, or even turn their arguments against them.

Argument 1: "You say that religion is a private matter. But you fight against the Jewish religion!" Counterargument: "Actually, the Jewish religion is nothing other than a doctrine to preserve the Jewish race." (Adolf Hitler). "In resisting all government attempts to nationalize them, the Jews build a state within the state (Count Helmuth von Moltke). "To call this state a 'religion' was one of the cleverest tricks ever invented." (Adolf Hitler). "From this first lie that Jewry is a religion, not a race, further lies inevitably follow." (Adolf Hitler).

Argument 2: "There are decent Jews, after all!" — Counterargument: "This little phrase 'after all' proves that they are rare exceptions of no significance to our battle against Jewry as a whole. But Martin Luther saw four hundred years ago that this "decency," proven by charitable deeds done in as public a manner as possible, is nothing but a hidden cost of business, to repaid a thousand times by uneducated Germans. "Know, dear Christian, and have no doubts about it, that next to the Devil you have no more bitter, poisonous and determined enemy than a genuine Jew. . . If they do something good for you, it is not because they love you, but because they need room to live with us, so they have to do something. But their heart remains as I have said!"

Argument 3: "The Jew has better prices than the German businessman." — Counterargument: Any crook can sell junk. Jewish crooks have driven thousands of German businessmen to bankruptcy with the glittering trash in their department store palaces. When someone does get good products more cheaply from the Jews than from Germans, it is only because the united Jewish firms force down prices from the manufacturers, which means reducing workers' wages. He who has bought good products cheaply from the Jew should never forget that the curse of a German worker and the tears of his hungry children come with them!

Argument 4: "There are also 'white Jews' [i.e., Gentiles who are as bad as Jews]. — Counterargument: "That speaks against the Jews, not for them! The fact that one calls the crooks among us 'white Jews' is proof that being a Jew implies something bad. Otherwise, one would call crooked Jews 'yellow Christians.' The fact that there are so many 'white Jews' among us proves that the destructive Jewish spirit has already infected wide circles of our population. It is a warning to us that we have to take up the battle against the Jewish world plague everywhere." (Joseph Goebbels). That is why Point 24 of our party program states: "The party battles the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and outside of us."

Argument 5: "Mr. Levi is not a Jew, since he has been baptized!" — Counterargument: As we have already shown, Jewry is not a religion. The Führer pointed that out in a sarcastic manner during the period of struggle [1919-1933] when he said that it was a peculiar sort of religion when one could smell its adherents from a great distance! No, a Jew always remains a Jew. Chaim Herz Bückeberg, better known as "Heinrich Heine," joked: "Are these long noses a kind of uniform that allows the God King Jehovah to recognize his old body guard, even if they have deserted?" "I have no desire to convert the Jews," Martin Luther wrote, "since that is impossible." A Jew remains a Jew. "In case of need, a dose of baptismal water saves both business and Jewry at the same time!" (Adolf Hitler).

Argument 6: "It is true that Mr. Moses Freundenstein is a Jew, but his parents and grandparents lived here. He is one of our old established citizens." — Counterargument: Just as a goat does not become a horse, even if his father and grandfather were in the same stall, a Jew can never become a German, even if his ancestor came to Germany as a peddler in Varus' army [during the Roman era].

Argument 7: "The Jew is a human being too!" — Counterargument: "Of course the Jew is a human being too. None of us has ever doubted it. But a flea is also an animal. But not a very pleasant one. Since a flea is not a pleasant animal, we have no duty to protect and defend it, to take care of it so that it can bite and torment and torture us. Rather, we make it harmless. It is the same with the Jews." {Joseph Goebbels).

Argument 8: "Everything with a human face is equal." — Counterargument: Thirteen years ago, the "Stürmer" carried a cartoon. In it, a miserable pig looked up from his sty to a royal lion. "Everything with an animal face is equal!" But what did the lion growl in reply? "That's what you swine would like to think!"

Argument 9: "Anti-Semitism is only something for idiots!" Counterargument: One no longer hears this lie in National Socialist Germany. But one still reads it in the Jewish emigre press abroad, and Jews whisper it here and perhaps some Jewish lackeys still think that. We smile in response, and note that the Jews have never produced a single creative man, but that all great men in every country have been implacable opponents of the Jews. Some "intellectuals" may be distressed when one doubts their understanding, but we will follow the battle cry against Judah that all of the great men of our past have made!

Argument 10: "Can you live with the uproar and accept responsibility for the misery that the laws of the Third Reich bring to thousands of Jewish families?" — Counterargument: "It is almost a miracle that absolutely nothing has happened to Jews in Germany, but rather that only gradually the rights they stole from the Germans in politics and culture have been restored." (Alfred Rosenberg). But even if a few hundred Jewish families in Germany really did have to go hungry, what is that against the many millions of German families that the Jew murdered over the course of centuries through wars, revolutions, and civil strife, not to mention those ruined through usury and fraud. "In the battle between the races, there is no truce. If you are determined finally to defend yourself, German people, then be pitiless!" (Adolf Hitler).

[Eric dayi]

It seems that I was not clear enough.

Oh yes you did my dear, didn't she boys and girls? LOL
Your said "Hold on a second! How come a Bulgarian Turk settler, a SETTLER, can call himself bulgarian turkish Cypriot??? LOL", you even laughed at the end, remember?
Let's repeat that one more time "How come a Bulgarian Turk settler, a STTLER, can call himself bulagrian turkish cypriot??? LOL", I think that you made yourself perfectly clear dear (LOL) but after realising that you made a fool of yourself, you are now trying to backtrack and "correct" your "mistake". Do you know the best thing about the Internet forums? You can go back and check to see if someone like yourself is trying to tell lies or not. Internet iz gut, no? LOL

I know very well what I write and I don’t need indications from you or anybody else regarding my postings.

Oh I think you do dear, because otherwise you forget the lies you told before.

An ILLEGAL SETTLER, is still illegal in any shape or form.

Does that include the "ILLEGAL SETTLERS" in the ILLEGAL so-called "RoC", hmmmm?

An ILLEGAL SETTLER, is an illegal settler whether he’s a Bulgarian Turk, Anatolian peasant - gypsy or Extraterrestrial.

Funny that you mention anything to do with "Turkish Settlers" but never ever mention the "ILLEGAL SETTLERS" in the ILLEGALL so-called "RoC".

You see dear, your racism and dreams of taking control of the whole of Cyprus only allows you to talk about what the TRNC does but you never mention what you Greeks do in the ILLEGAL so-called "RoC".

CUCO: Nevertheless, the most important measure for the settlers has been the possibility of acquiring Turkish-Cypriot nationality. In 1975, the Turkish-Cypriot Administration passed Act No. 3/1975, under which nationality could be given to anyone who requested it and, in particular, to members of the Turkish armed forces who had served in Cyprus, the wives, children and brothers of members of these forces who had fallen in Cyprus between 20 July 1974 and 20 August 1974 or to persons who had served in the Turkish Resistance Organization in Cyprus or Turkey.
… it seems that even the birds that flew over the occupied area were given the Tc nationality.

Yes dear, have you ever heard that "what's good for the goose is good for the gender"? I am sure you have but you believe that it only applied to Greeks, Turks do not have the same right, right dear?

You and 98% of Greeks and that Cuco live on Cucoks-land my dear.

But, as I thought and expected, none of you gave any comments on Cuco's report which is very clear. Why guys? Come on, let us have your comments on the following:

The rest of the crap that I ommited from your excuse of a posting is more than likely the reason why people in their right minds do not reply to your silly and racist postings.

You didn’t omit, you avoided.

No dear, I ommited because like I said it's crap.

You avoided due to your constant attempt to discredit anything that doesn't suit your views or your nation.
The part of my posting that you call crap, the one that you avoided replying, includes part of Alfons Cucó’s report that was made on behalf of the EU Counsil. It’s NOT my report. I just transferred it as a proof and confirmation of the continuous crime of colonization by Turkey.
Therefore your pointless and null accusations goes to him.

No dear, my accusations goes to you because you only ever talk about what the TRNC does but never mention what the ILLEGAL so-called "RoC" does.

Please allow me to ask you a couple of questions my dear.

The population of the whole of Cyprus, that's including the GC and TC's by the way, in 1974 was around 640,000, can you tell me how is it possible that the population of the ILLEGAL "RoC" alone is now almost the same as it was in 1974, dear?

How many Pontiac Greeks (Russians) have been given the "RoC citizenship" since 1974, was it around 60,000 or more?

How is it that when a nations birth rates are less than it's death rates the population grows and grows? Can you give me logical unswer to that dear?

It is estimated that the same number of GC's as TC's have left Cyprus since 1974 but the GC population is GROWN dear, how comes?

Below dear you have a multiple choice question.

Staying on the same subject, if the same number of GC's as TC's left Cyprus, and you and other's like yourself claim that the reason for the TC's leaving are due to the "occupation" (LOL) why did the GC's leave dear? Was it because?

1) They were disapointed with the ILLEGAL "RoC"?

2) They could not get any jobs because of the influx of the ILLEGAL SETTLERS in the ILLEGAL "RoC"?

3) Was it because they got scared of the growing crime rate due to the imported Russion Mafia?

4) If none of the above, give your own reasons, dear.

PS: You should join Sourcey on the stage dear, you two would make a loveley couple and a great comedian duo, dear.


BTW, one more question, why is it that when a TC settles in Bulgaria and gets the Bulgarian Nationality and calls himself a Bulgarian TC, it is, according to you dear, "ILLEGAL" but when a GC settles in say the UK and gets the British Nationality and calls himself British Greek, it is legal, why is that dear, is it because Turks do not have the same rights as Greeks, dear?

Stop digging dear, the shit is already above your head.

[Alexis]

Hey, at least the RoC does not allow the land of TC refugees to be sold off to third parties, whether they be Pontian Greeks or Other Nationalities.
I won't put my halo on yet though because a lot of TC land has been neglected, and some of it expropriated or used by the armed forces. At least the RoC tries to maintain some sort of control over refugee land, perhaps if the TRNC had done this all these years there wouldn't be such a big issue regarding property. Big problem: it's relatively easy for the RoC to do what it has done because there isn't that much refugee land in the south. In comparison it would be much more difficult for the TRNC to do this given how much refugee land there is in the North, this does not, in my opinion excuse them for not doing anything. The only way forward is to reach a comprehensive settlement.

[zan]

Hey, at least the RoC does not allow the land of TC refugees to be sold off to third parties, whether they be Pontian Greeks or Other Nationalities.
I won't put my halo on yet though because a lot of TC land has been neglected, and some of it expropriated or used by the armed forces. At least the RoC tries to maintain some sort of control over refugee land, perhaps if the TRNC had done this all these years there wouldn't be such a big issue regarding property. Big problem: it's relatively easy for the RoC to do what it has done because there isn't that much refugee land in the south. In comparison it would be much more difficult for the TRNC to do this given how much refugee land there is in the North, this does not, in my opinion excuse them for not doing anything. The only way forward is to reach a comprehensive settlement.

Same war different tactics!!!!

[Main_Source]

Same war different tactics!!!!

Land is exproriated all the time in various countries. The government is trying to expropriate some of my families land in Cyprus.

I bet you hardly ANY TC land has been expropriated in the south at all...maybe one or two accused instances that have made the move.

Shit, even Islington council has expropriated land to build the new Arsenal stadium...wtf.

[Eric dayi]

Hey, at least the RoC does not allow the land of TC refugees to be sold off to third parties, whether they be Pontian Greeks or Other Nationalities.
I won't put my halo on yet though because a lot of TC land has been neglected, and some of it expropriated or used by the armed forces. At least the RoC tries to maintain some sort of control over refugee land, perhaps if the TRNC had done this all these years there wouldn't be such a big issue regarding property. Big problem: it's relatively easy for the RoC to do what it has done because there isn't that much refugee land in the south. In comparison it would be much more difficult for the TRNC to do this given how much refugee land there is in the North, this does not, in my opinion excuse them for not doing anything. The only way forward is to reach a comprehensive settlement.

Jesus Christ, one comedian after another tries to make us laugh here, ain't it just great!

Although there isn't "much refugee land" in the South, the GC's "expropriate", build bridges, hotels. shops, houses and Airports on TC land and all you can say is "Hey, at least the RoC does not allow the land of TC refugees to be sold off to third parties, whether they be Pontian Greeks or Other Nationalities.". But hey, isn't that always the same, what the GC's do is ok but what the TC's do is Baaaad.

It's ok for the "RoC" to build houses on TC land and stick SETTLERS in those houses but the TC's can't and must not do that, baaad TC's!


The GC's can build shops and restaurants and sell it to the SETTLERS or at least allow them to use them in exchange for rent, but the TC's can't do that! Baaaaaad TC's.

TC lands are used by the Greek Army but the Turksih Army can't do that! Baaaad TC's!

The GC's build bridges and Airport on to TC land giving the "necessity" excuse but the TC's can't do that! Baaaaaad TC's.

The GC's bring in hundres of thousands of "SETTLERS" and give them "Cypriot" nationality, but the TC's can't do that! Baaaaaad TC's!

The GC's want ENOSIS and try ethnic cleansing of the TC population in the whole of Cyprus, but the TC's are not allowed to do that in one third of the island while living two thirds to the Greeks! Baaaaaaad TC's

The GC's are allowed to breathe the air around the island of Cyprus but the TC's are not allowed to do that! Baaaaaaaad TC's!

It looks like the law in the KKTC is changing and will allow the GC's to calim their lands back or compansation but the Greeks are still saying that the TC lands in the South will not be given back untill there is a permanent solution but hey, that's ok with you Greeks too isn't it?

You keep on refusing to co-operate on everything please because the days of Baaaaaad TC are nearly over and it'll soon be BAAAAAAD GC's! "At least" then we TC's can say "We told you so".

Oh BTW, hey, at least in the KKTC the lands are not neglected and are used all the time.

One last thing, wasn't it you who admitted in ATCA that some TC land was also sold or was that another GC using a different name?