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[RAFAELLA]

But if you are going to get moralistic then at least have the decency to acknowledge everyone's suffering. For example, do you feel guilty that when you enter the country through Larnaca airport that you are trespassing on a Turkish Cypriot's land for which he has received no compensation? An entire nation's wealth is built on this man's deprivation - do you care?

Part of the Tc land is used by Cy government for Lca airport and the Minister of Interior has offered to compensate the owner.

At least 89% of the land that they find themselves forced to live on is former GC land - how do you open shops, hotels, build houses for your growing families without exploiting former GC land?

Great progress, bravo Anglo! At least you recognize and admit that at least 89% of the occupied territory belongs to Gcs therefore any further comment on that is not necessary.
Tcs may use the properties of the Gcs but they have no right to sell them what so ever.
The same goes for the Gc refugees but you are so prejudiced, narrow minded to understand and blind to see.

And if they have handed over their deeds to what they lost in the south to the TRNC government in exchange for comparable property - how can you begrudge them the opportunity make a little money to send their kids to university or to replace an old wreck of a car?.

Using your way of thinking and your illogic logic then all the refugees, including my self, who were forced to abandon their properties due to the Turkish invasion, should start selling the Tcs’ properties, correct? The CY government, though, prohibits the sale of those properties as the rightful owners are the Tcs.
What about all those Anatolian gypsies that were shipped to our island and were given our properties? Why has Turkey brought more than a 130.000 settlers from the mainland making them the majority in the occupied areas? Alexandretta's case says anything to you?

Anglo,Turkey invaded Cyprus with the sole aim to divide the island and seize land under her control due to the island’s important strategic position. She doesn’t give a sh** about Tcs – all due respect to my compatriots.
Turkey was planning the invasion for years; she only stood still staring to grab the right chance to carry out her plans.
"Even if the Turkish Cypriot community did not exist, Turkey would not have left Cyprus to Greece” -Raouf Denktash

Kemal Ataturk regarded Cyprus as being particularly important for Turkey. Professor Dervis Manizade in an article in the Instanbul daily "Milliyet" (20.7.78 ) quoted Ataturk as saying, while addressing military commanders:
"Pay attention to Cyprus, this island is important for us."

Ali Nesim reported in "Dogus" (20.9.84):
Ataturk, replying to a question on Cyprus after the annexation of
Alexandretta said: "The turn of Cyprus has not yet come".

TMT Leaflet Circulated on 7 May 1958:
"Oh Turkish Youth! The day is near when you will be called upon to sacrifice your life and blood in the "PARTITION" struggle - the struggle for freedom... You are a brave Turk.
You are faithful to your country and nation and are entrusted with the task of demonstrating Turkish might. Be ready to break the chains of slavery with your determination and willpower and with your love of freedom. All Turkdom, right and justice and God are with you. PARTITION OR DEATH."
quoted in Nancy Crawshaw "The Cyprus Revolt", 1978.

Anglo, Turkey is a country with no disciplinary cultural conscience, a nation that historically and repeatedly has proved that doesn’t respect its neighboring countries and always aspires to prevail through human rights violations and through elimination of democracy. Turkey is a handicapped country, unable to be governed and to obey to democratic norms and ideas. A nation run by its military, stuck in the days of the Ottoman Empire.

[Kifeas]

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There has been a war, politics and outside antagonists and you expect all to be forgiven and forgotten and for every body to move back to where ever they came from. Everyone mixed up again without anything being resolved or settled. And of course its all the Turks fault so they should just back down. I dont know which one is worse, a facist or a nationalist with simplistic answers.

Zan, you are perfectly right! There has been a war and thus the winner shares the spoils! I agree that we GCs have to accept it and shut up for now, and just get our selves prepared so that we make sure in the next war to come, we are the winners and we the ones to share all the spoils. I can only promise this to you Zan! I hope you do not object to this! Asshole!

[RAFAELLA]

Double entry

[Nicko]

Hi Rafaella.

[zan]

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There has been a war, politics and outside antagonists and you expect all to be forgiven and forgotten and for every body to move back to where ever they came from. Everyone mixed up again without anything being resolved or settled. And of course its all the Turks fault so they should just back down. I dont know which one is worse, a facist or a nationalist with simplistic answers.

Zan, you are perfectly right! There has been a war and thus the winner shares the spoils! I agree that we GCs have to accept it and shut up for now, and just get our selves prepared so that we make sure in the next war to come, we are the winners and we the ones to share all the spoils. I can only promise this to you Zan! I hope you do not object to this! Asshole!

I suppose its a nationalist with simplistic answers.

[zan]

But if you are going to get moralistic then at least have the decency to acknowledge everyone's suffering. For example, do you feel guilty that when you enter the country through Larnaca airport that you are trespassing on a Turkish Cypriot's land for which he has received no compensation? An entire nation's wealth is built on this man's deprivation - do you care?

Part of the Tc land is used by Cy government for Lca airport and the Minister of Interior has offered to compensate the owner.

At least 89% of the land that they find themselves forced to live on is former GC land - how do you open shops, hotels, build houses for your growing families without exploiting former GC land?

Great progress, bravo Anglo! At least you recognize and admit that at least 89% of the occupied territory belongs to Gcs therefore any further comment on that is not necessary.
Tcs may use the properties of the Gcs but they have no right to sell them what so ever.
The same goes for the Gc refugees but you are so prejudiced, narrow minded to understand and blind to see.

And if they have handed over their deeds to what they lost in the south to the TRNC government in exchange for comparable property - how can you begrudge them the opportunity make a little money to send their kids to university or to replace an old wreck of a car?.

Using your way of thinking and your illogic logic then all the refugees, including my self, who were forced to abandon their properties due to the Turkish invasion, should start selling the Tcs’ properties, correct? The CY government, though, prohibits the sale of those properties as the rightful owners are the Tcs.
What about all those Anatolian gypsies that were shipped to our island and were given our properties? Why has Turkey brought more than a 130.000 settlers from the mainland making them the majority in the occupied areas? Alexandretta's case says anything to you?

Anglo,Turkey invaded Cyprus with the sole aim to divide the island and seize land under her control due to the island’s important strategic position. She doesn’t give a sh** about Tcs – all due respect to my compatriots.
Turkey was planning the invasion for years; she only stood still staring to grab the right chance to carry out her plans.
"Even if the Turkish Cypriot community did not exist, Turkey would not have left Cyprus to Greece” -Raouf Denktash

Kemal Ataturk regarded Cyprus as being particularly important for Turkey. Professor Dervis Manizade in an article in the Instanbul daily "Milliyet" (20.7.78 ) quoted Ataturk as saying, while addressing military commanders:
"Pay attention to Cyprus, this island is important for us."

Ali Nesim reported in "Dogus" (20.9.84):
Ataturk, replying to a question on Cyprus after the annexation of
Alexandretta said: "The turn of Cyprus has not yet come".

TMT Leaflet Circulated on 7 May 1958:
"Oh Turkish Youth! The day is near when you will be called upon to sacrifice your life and blood in the "PARTITION" struggle - the struggle for freedom... You are a brave Turk.
You are faithful to your country and nation and are entrusted with the task of demonstrating Turkish might. Be ready to break the chains of slavery with your determination and willpower and with your love of freedom. All Turkdom, right and justice and God are with you. PARTITION OR DEATH."
quoted in Nancy Crawshaw "The Cyprus Revolt", 1978.

Anglo, Turkey is a country with no disciplinary cultural conscience, a nation that historically and repeatedly has proved that doesn’t respect its neighboring countries and always aspires to prevail through human rights violations and through elimination of democracy. Turkey is a handicapped country, unable to be governed and to obey to democratic norms and ideas. A nation run by its military, stuck in the days of the Ottoman Empire.

EOKA (Ethniki Organosis Kyprion Agoniston)
EOKA [Ethniki Organosis Kyprion Agoniston - National Organization of Cypriot Fighters] started a guerrilla campaign against British colonial rule aimed at self-determination and union with Greece (Enosis)on 01 April 1955. The campaign, which started when the first EOKA bombs exploded at 00.30 hours on 1st of April 1955, lasted until 1959 and caused the death of more Greek Cypriot civilians than the total of British killed. It created civil strife and mistrust between the two Cypriot communities. Tension increased in early 1957, when EOKA attacked Turkish police and auxiliaries. EOKA received direct support from Greece in money, arms, organization and propaganda. Greek-speaking Cypriots were awed by EOKA terrorists and subject to bombardment by Athens radio. Under a 1959 compromise settlement known as Zurich-London agreements, Cyprus became an independent Republic in 1960. Since then, April 1 is a national holiday. It was celebrated in memorial services in Churches and gatherings in cities and villages in the free part of Cyprus.
EOKA-B emerged twice, in 1963 and 1974, in collaboration and cooperation with Greece, to attack the Turkish Cypriots, one of the two co-founding partners of the Republic of Cyprus, with the aim of uniting the Island with Greece.


THE AKRITAS (ANNIHILATION OF TURKS) PLAN

After Archbishop Makarios's application for the "amendment of the Constitution of Cyprus" was rejected by Turkey, the Greek cypriots set into action and began to implement the Akritas Plan. The plan was prepared to annihilate Turks and got its name from a Bynzantium epic of the 9th century. EOKA leader Polikarpos Yorgacis played the lead role in the implementation of the Akritas Plan. Yorgacis had the biggest responsibility in the 1963 massacres. When the Patris newspaper dated 21 April 1966 published the main points of this heinous Greek cypriot plan, the ideas of Makarios, Yorgacis, Nikos Samson and Glefkos Klerides, the real masterminds of the massacres, about Turks came to daylight.
On 22 January 1967, Patris newspaper gave information about the "Greek cypriot Organization". On 27 January 1967, the newspaper revealed the "General Operational Plan" of the organization.

On 2 July 1974, Makarios sent a letter to Greek President General Gizikis. Makarios who wanted to expose the activities of the Greek Junta gave the letter to the press too.

His letter read as follows:
"Mr. President, I must definitely state that the activities of EOKA-B terrorist organization are supported and managed by the leaders of the military regime in Greece.
Mr. President, I have felt many times that an unseen hand extended here from Athens to eliminate me and that it almost touched me sometimes. Nevertheless, I have said nothing about this. However, while the whole Cypriot public is thoroughly distressed and while the Greek officers commissioned in the National Guardsmen Army and encouraged by Athens support activities that aim at destroying the state and that establish crimes, it is impossible to remain silent and conceal them.
The government of Greece has pursued a policy to terminate the Cyprus State with all its attitudes on the National Guardsmen Army. I request the Greek officers commissioned in the National Guardsmen Army to be withdrawn".
Makarios not only gave the letter to the press but also gave a statement [b]


When I grow up I want to be a peace loving, love spreading , mind my own business, just want Cyprus to live out my years on, Greek. Sorry to all my TC brothers but I have seen the light and that light is emanating from a small Greek orifice.

[RAFAELLA]

Hi Rafaella.

Yai sou re Nicko Where have you beeeeeeen?

[little sugar]

THIS MESSAGE IS FOR ANGELO!! Well I am sorry, I ment to add the words " I feel sorry for all involved " because I do mean them, and what sort of crime would you call somebody who prospers out of someones sorrow then?

[Anglo]

THIS MESSAGE IS FOR ANGELO!! Well I am sorry, I ment to add the words " I feel sorry for all involved " because I do mean them, and what sort of crime would you call somebody who prospers out of someones sorrow then?

There you go with your one-sided moralising again. What about Turkish Cypriots who have had to live under inhumane embargoes for over thirty years. Or, if we want to go back a bit further, live as besieged refugees for over 40 years? You see, things are not as black and white as you would like them to be.

[bg_turk]

THIS MESSAGE IS FOR ANGELO!! Well I am sorry, I ment to add the words " I feel sorry for all involved " because I do mean them, and what sort of crime would you call somebody who prospers out of someones sorrow then?

Do you use the illegal airport of Larnaca built on stolen TC land? If so how dare you give moral lessons that it is wrong for others to use "stolen" property? Next time you fly through Larnaca please at least think about the poor TC owner who has been illegally dispossesed and is denied his most fundamental right to live on the land where he was born.

Before you continue your moral rantings, please make sure your moral standing is firm enough. Even today the Republic of Cyprus in which you are residing. is denying TCs the right to return to their properties, and to date not a single turkish cypriot has been able to reclaim his property despite being an "equal" citizen of that republic. The TRNC is the only shelter TCs have, as many of the turkish villages in the South are levelled with the groud. Not only are they denied their right of return, in most cases TCs have nothing to return to.

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