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[Eric dayi]

Same war different tactics!!!!

Land is exproriated all the time in various countries. The government is trying to expropriate some of my families land in Cyprus.

I bet you are very happy about that and will give them the land gladly because you are soooooo generous, right? LOL

I bet you hardly ANY TC land has been expropriated in the south at all...maybe one or two accused instances that have made the move.

Don't claim things that you are not sure of, people might think that you are making a noise just to hear your own voice and call you a fool. LOL

Shit, even Islington council has expropriated land to build the new Arsenal stadium...wtf.

In that case, the KKTC can also "exproriate" land and do what they like with it. Thanks for the advice Sourcey.


Or is it only you GC's allowed to steal our lands and call it "exproriated"?

[RAFAELLA]

To all the comedians of this forum.... come on, lets put our hands together and congratulate the wise man of ATCA

...and, I cannot blame anyone…. I was told.
"Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience".

[Alexis]

Although there isn't "much refugee land" in the South, the GC's "expropriate", build bridges, hotels. shops, houses and Airports on TC land and all you can say is "Hey, at least the RoC does not allow the land of TC refugees to be sold off to third parties, whether they be Pontian Greeks or Other Nationalities.". But hey, isn't that always the same, what the GC's do is ok but what the TC's do is Baaaad.

You seem to have missed the point of my post. I am not saying at all that the GCs are angelic, I am simply stating a fact that the RoC exercises more control over refugee land in the South. Yes it's easier for them to do this for one big reason.
At the end of the day the main obstacle (not all the obstacles, and please remember this when and if you reply in your bulldozer style) to a resolution of the property issue (and not the Cyprus problem), is simply the fact that too much land was taken for TCs in 1974. This is a fact, take a look at any map of Cyprus with the Green Line on it.

[Eric dayi]

...and, I cannot blame anyone…. I was told.
"Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience".

Hey RAF-RAF, thank for the advice, you really should've told me this earlier though, it would have saved me time arguing with people like yourself and Saurcey and lose all the time.

Well, at least I can say, I've been told now.

[zan]

Raffealla

There is a place you can touch a woman that will drive her crazy. Her heart.

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[Eric dayi]

Although there isn't "much refugee land" in the South, the GC's "expropriate", build bridges, hotels. shops, houses and Airports on TC land and all you can say is "Hey, at least the RoC does not allow the land of TC refugees to be sold off to third parties, whether they be Pontian Greeks or Other Nationalities.". But hey, isn't that always the same, what the GC's do is ok but what the TC's do is Baaaad.

You seem to have missed the point of my post. I am not saying at all that the GCs are angelic, I am simply stating a fact that the RoC exercises more control over refugee land in the South. Yes it's easier for them to do this for one big reason.

Nope, I didn't mis the "point" of your posting at all. I do realise that you are trying to make the GC's look "non-angelic" while trying to make the TC's look BAAAAD. You see, I told you I didn't miss yur "point".

[At the end of the day the main obstacle (not all the obstacles, and please remember this when and if you reply in your bulldozer style) to a resolution of the property issue (and not the Cyprus problem), is simply the fact that too much land was taken for TCs in 1974. This is a fact, take a look at any map of Cyprus with the Green Line on it.

Did they really? Well, we are about to find out what happened to the lands of the Vakif, aren't we?

Was it ALL "exprobriated" by the Brits and "sold" to the GC's making it ALL "legal" alongside of most of the other TC owned lands? Hmmm...I wonder what those documents all written in English found in a disused Hotel in Varosha will bring to light? Can't wait.

[zan]

Although there isn't "much refugee land" in the South, the GC's "expropriate", build bridges, hotels. shops, houses and Airports on TC land and all you can say is "Hey, at least the RoC does not allow the land of TC refugees to be sold off to third parties, whether they be Pontian Greeks or Other Nationalities.". But hey, isn't that always the same, what the GC's do is ok but what the TC's do is Baaaad.

You seem to have missed the point of my post. I am not saying at all that the GCs are angelic, I am simply stating a fact that the RoC exercises more control over refugee land in the South. Yes it's easier for them to do this for one big reason.
At the end of the day the main obstacle (not all the obstacles, and please remember this when and if you reply in your bulldozer style) to a resolution of the property issue (and not the Cyprus problem), is simply the fact that too much land was taken for TCs in 1974. This is a fact, take a look at any map of Cyprus with the Green Line on it.

Have you added any numbers that might have stayed in Cyprus had they not been chased out and of course multiplied it by the number of people that would have been born and raised on the Island?

Even in a divorce all possibilities have to be examined and a sensible figure arrived at, but because the numbers are in favour with the GC side it seems that 18% is fair to them. I say if the Island had provided for the TC community as it did for the GCs we would have been 37% of the population, how’s that sound. 37% will give us enough room to bring our numbers back to the sort of numbers that can keep a society ticking and prosperous.

[Alexis]

Have you added any numbers that might have stayed in Cyprus had they not been chased out and of course multiplied it by the number of people that would have been born and raised on the Island?

Even in a divorce all possibilities have to be examined and a sensible figure arrived at, but because the numbers are in favour with the GC side it seems that 18% is fair to them. I say if the Island had provided for the TC community as it did for the GCs we would have been 37% of the population, how’s that sound. 37% will give us enough room to bring our numbers back to the sort of numbers that can keep a society ticking and prosperous.

Of course, no-one knows what might have happened had things gone differently. The 18% is at least based on some sort of census of the island's population prior to the inter-communal conflict. Things were not given a chance to unfold naturally by either community.
Of course you (the TCs) need as much land as possible to create a viable society separately. But was it your right to make that choice (to live separately). Was it Turkey's right to help you make that choice? Was it Turkey's right to support partition of the island anymore than it was the GCs right to aim for Enosis?
Perhaps if Greece was the one with the powerful army, there would be even fewer TCs on the island, and I would be arguing that we (GCs) need at least 90%+ of the land because of the subsequent population sizes.
We can twist and twist these arguments till they no longer resemble the realities on the ground. This will get us nowhere.
My point is not purely about who owns what land. Much of the land in Cyprus is government owned, or owned by organisations (Evkaf, Vakif?, as Eric mentioned). Who owns Cyprus, it's people, and one community should not have the right to discriminate against the other and drive them out of their homes. We both did this in the past at some time in the past, it's about time we returned to a mixed community which does not discriminate on the basis of ethnicity. Look at Cypriots today, we have married into almost every race on the planet yet we cannot break the taboo of getting on with each other.

[Kifeas]

Have you added any numbers that might have stayed in Cyprus had they not been chased out and of course multiplied it by the number of people that would have been born and raised on the Island?

Even in a divorce all possibilities have to be examined and a sensible figure arrived at, but because the numbers are in favour with the GC side it seems that 18% is fair to them. I say if the Island had provided for the TC community as it did for the GCs we would have been 37% of the population, how’s that sound. 37% will give us enough room to bring our numbers back to the sort of numbers that can keep a society ticking and prosperous.

Therefore, not only you want to split Cyprus and deprive the GCs from a part of their homeland, but you also want to keep twice as much as your fair share would have justified. In other words it is a case of “what is mine is mine and what is yours is negotiable… i.e. also mine,” or the better one -which your father so articulately instilled inside you, that “one Turk equals the whole world.”

My “friend,” if all the Turkish Cypriots were such chauvinists like you, I am afraid the only option that would have been left for us to take would be the one of continually getting ourselves prepared for a war at some time in the future. Thanks god there is still some hope!

[zan]

Take a look at your poll big boy.