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Postby sadik » Thu Dec 01, 2005 12:36 pm

Alexios wrote:Unfortunately Bir it appears that to Talat and /or the turkish army the synbolism to keep the street divided is stronger than the synbolism to bring it down...


Alexios, I know that civilian authorities have been trying real hard to overcome military objections and open this passage. They tore down a military observation post to be able to build this bridge. UN says that the construction is not in the Green Line. The issue has really been blown out of proportion. I think the GC leadership is facing internal pressure to stop opening new gates. It looks like it will be very difficult to open any new crossings after this.
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Postby cypezokyli » Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:24 pm

i wouldnt say that it is internal pressure from the gc community. more a goverment policy , or rather no-goverment policy. they are just after accusing the other side no matter what. let me remind you that they were sure, they had real information that talat was building a wall :lol: . now even unficyp has another opinion but our interpratation would be : its the fault of the americans
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Postby Main_Source » Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:37 pm

but are you telling me this bridge is so that the Turkish military can overlook what is going on below?
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Postby Kifeas » Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:54 pm

Main_Source wrote:but are you telling me this bridge is so that the Turkish military can overlook what is going on below?


No re, the public will be croossing over the bridge and the army will be watching them from the ground as they will be marching up and down to the bridge. A perfect and fully exposed target! :lol:
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Postby Main_Source » Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:28 pm

Thats ridiculous...why are they going to ruin Ledra Street with a bridge!? Infact, why do the Turkish army have to be there to intimidate Greek Cypriots? How do they expect a natural embracement of the two communities while the military is there watching your every move.

You have to ask if this is the idea of Talat or the Turkish military...but as we suspect its probably the later...you have to ask the sincerety of Talat having full control of the north.
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Postby cypezokyli » Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:29 pm

You have to ask if this is the idea of Talat or the Turkish military...but as we suspect its probably the later...you have to ask the sincerety of Talat having full control of the north.


No, you should ask : does the opening of ledras helps the cyprus problem?

you should ask even if it is the army, then how did we reach the point that the turkish army wants opened borders?

you should ask , is it in our interest to prevent the opening of ledras when unficyp said that there is no violation? does it suit us to have borders opened in the north and we keep the close in the south?

if the turkish army has indeed other plans...which are they? to earn ten meters of land? to get a more strategic position? on what? to attack ledras?

all it is about is a symbolic meaning. who has the control, who will have his own way , who is more pro-solution, who is...
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Postby Main_Source » Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:26 pm

The army is building the bridge to show that they have a permanent watch over Gc crossing. It IS symbolic yes...it's put there to intimidate. Its the same form of petty behaviour as painting the two flags on Pentadhaktylos or the big banners over the checkpoints in 2003 stating stupid slogans like 'How Happy I Am To Be A Turk' etc. Its all to intimidate and try and show that they have the upper hand. Its typical petty Turkish nationalism.

I beleive that Talat has no control whatsoever of the Turkish military in the north and they have the final say. Because there are a lot of things that Talat could do to show his sincerety about unification...
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Postby zan » Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:44 pm

Main_Source wrote:The army is building the bridge to show that they have a permanent watch over Gc crossing. It IS symbolic yes...it's put there to intimidate. Its the same form of petty behaviour as painting the two flags on Pentadhaktylos or the big banners over the checkpoints in 2003 stating stupid slogans like 'How Happy I Am To Be A Turk' etc. Its all to intimidate and try and show that they have the upper hand. Its typical petty Turkish nationalism.

I beleive that Talat has no control whatsoever of the Turkish military in the north and they have the final say. Because there are a lot of things that Talat could do to show his sincerety about unification...


So what do you guys do.

Look in the distance....... What is that?........its moving so fast we can hardly see it....... Its, its.......Super Matsakis come to tear down the petty flags of Turkey. Hoora!!
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Postby cypezokyli » Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:55 pm

i dont disagree with you ms that symbolism is important for the turkish army.
its just a matter of what one chooses to see and ot what it gives importance to.
after the "how happy that i am a turk " slogan that its at the check point, in the summer there was another slogan in greek expressing the tc grief for aeroplane accident. i dont like the first , but i prefer to put more importance on the second.

as for the big flags on the mountain...they are also stupid, and they ll be gone one day... more or less at the same time we start putting down our greek flags in the south.

symbolism is important if we choose to conceive it as such.


they have control over a gc crossing.. so? they are controlling 37% of cyprus.what is controling a gc crossing going to give them more? and if they are ever going to leave (or minimised when it comes to that concern) we need the tcs. and meeting with them, is a good way to start.
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Postby zan » Mon Dec 05, 2005 12:07 pm

Long live Papadopoulos!
Sunday, December 4, 2005

TDN editorial by Yusuf KANLI


Yusuf KANLI

The Greek Cypriot leader is making history with his adamancy and committed opposition to any sort of settlement to the over four-decade-old problem of power sharing between the two peoples of the island of Cyprus.

It is rather strange, but the Tassos Papadopoulos administration in southern Cyprus -- which claims to be the “sole legitimate government” on the island and which refers to the Turkish Cypriot-ruled northern Cyprus as “occupied areas” and/or “areas not under government control” -- is rejecting the idea of reopening Ledra Street in Nicosia's central shopping area as a new crossing point between the two sides on the eastern Mediterranean island.

Meanwhile, the Turkish Cypriot side started clearing their section of “no man's land” and is erecting a bridge that will be used for a pedestrian crossing for the two peoples of the island after a deal was reached on the issue between themselves and the Greek Cypriot administration. The idea, opposed by hard-core conservatives in northern Cyprus as well, was to increase social contact between the two sides and help the development of a better understanding between the peoples of the north and the south of the divided island.

Although the United Nations has said this is not the case, the Papadopoulos administration now claims that the Turkish side is “encroaching into the buffer zone and constructing a short overpass bridge there” and will not agree to the opening of a new crossing point between the two sides unless the Turkish side stops such activities.

The United States has condemned the Papadopoulos administration for issuing a “misleading” statement on the issue. That is to say, the U.S. Embassy in southern Nicosia has publicly told Papadopoulos, “You are a liar.”

The British government has issued a statement through its mission to the island that the U.K. has welcomed the idea of re-opening Ledra Street as a new crossing point but regretted the “obstacles created” and hoped the issue will be resolved through the efforts of the U.N. Peacekeeping Force in Cyprus (UNFICYP).

The UNFICYP issued a statement and said Greek Cypriot claims of Turkish Cypriot encroachment into the buffer zone were untrue and that the bridge currently under construction by the north is not in the buffer zone but in Turkish Cypriot territory.

That is to say, once again, that the United States and Great Britain have told Papadopoulos, “You are a liar.”

He claims to be the “president” of the entire island, and he rejects the opening of a new crossing point and attempts to limit the right to travel of his compatriot Greek Cypriots. He claims to be the government of the north as well, but he rejects the idea of making the north more accessible to Greek Cypriots (and the south to Turkish Cypriots).

Once upon a time there was an East Germany that claimed to be “democratic,” but it was the country that erected a wall to keep its own people in. Today, we have Papadopoulos wanting to restrict the right of travel of his own people in contravention of his own utopia of being the government of the entire island.

Papadopoulos is under pressure. He is under pressure from the international community to abandon his intransigent anti-settlement mentality. He is under pressure from his own people, who were urged by his political ally, the Communist AKEL party, to vote “no” in the referendum on the U.N. settlement plan in order to deliver a strong “yes” in a second vote.

The Greek Cypriots, who have been visiting northern Cyprus in large numbers since the April 2003 opening of the crossings between the two parts of the island, have begun to realize that not all of them will be able to return to the north with a settlement. But if the “no solution is a solution” mentality of Papadopoulos continues, the Turkish Cypriot state may start enjoying international recognition soon without being compelled to make any concessions.

As the Turkish Cypriots try to open new crossings, Papadopoulos objects to the increased social contact between the two sides.

Long live Papadopoulos: The Turkish Cypriots, who lost a great deal when their government adopted an almost identical mentality, may now benefit from his intransigence and consolidate their independent state.

I suggest Talat erect a bust of Papadopoulos next to the bridge on the Turkish side of Ledra Street and engrave upon it “Papadopoulos: The Greek Cypriot leader who greatly helped Turkish Cypriot independence. Welcome to the independent Turkish Republic of Cyprus.”

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/
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