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[Maximus]

are you seriously suggesting that even today Cyprus would still be a British colony? It took a while but Britain and the US realised that they only needed bases not a hostile nation.

They have diverted Cypriots hostility somewhere else but are still pulling the strings behind the scenes.

Cyprus is still a colony today. Think about it.

[Jerry]

are you seriously suggesting that even today Cyprus would still be a British colony? It took a while but Britain and the US realised that they only needed bases not a hostile nation.

They have diverted Cypriots hostility somewhere else but are still pulling the strings behind the scenes.

Cyprus is still a colony today. Think about it.

Not a colony but somwhere they don't care about since there is peace on the island and they have their bases, why should they care? Why should the West care about the rule of law and guarantees in Cyprus when they have more important things to do like maintaining the NATO alliance and tempting Turkey into the EU.
I've always held the view that Britain forced the Zurich agreement down Makarios's throat as a punishment/revenge for the EOKA campaign, it's a pity the same tactic wasn't applied to the Home Rule proposal a few years earlier.

BTW very interesting feature oh Varosha on BBC homepage today.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25496729

[DT.]

I don't really have a dog in this fight but to say Grivas cooperated with the Nazi's during the occupation is ridiculous. Organisation X activities have been documented and they have always been on the side of the allies. During and After the Nazi occupation of Greece.

[GreekIslandGirl]

It took a while but Britain and the US realised that they only needed bases not a hostile nation.

Yes, it took a while for them to be made to realise they had to at least compromise against their complete colonialism over the whole island. The "while" which it took was 1955 to 1957/8 when EOKA fought against their declarations (now exposed in, then, secret documents - See William Mallinson's, Britain and Cyprus. Key Themes and Documents Since World War II). Before that, they wouldn't even allow a referendum and there were no moves to decolonise Cyprus; and, as you know, in fact they made several declarations of why Cyprus was different to the UK/USA compared to other colonies!

[Jerry]

It took a while but Britain and the US realised that they only needed bases not a hostile nation.

Yes, it took a while for them to be made to realise they had to at least compromise against their complete colonialism over the whole island. The "while" which it took was 1955 to 1957/8 when EOKA fought against their declarations (now exposed in, then, secret documents - See William Mallinson's, Britain and Cyprus. Key Themes and Documents Since World War II). Before that, they wouldn't even allow a referendum and there were no moves to decolonise Cyprus; and, as you know, in fact they made several declarations of why Cyprus was different to the UK/USA compared to other colonies!

So, acording to your "logic" Cyprus would still be a British colony today were it not for Grivas - what bloody nonsense!

[Maximus]

are you seriously suggesting that even today Cyprus would still be a British colony? It took a while but Britain and the US realised that they only needed bases not a hostile nation.

They have diverted Cypriots hostility somewhere else but are still pulling the strings behind the scenes.

Cyprus is still a colony today. Think about it.

Not a colony but somwhere they don't care about since there is peace on the island and they have their bases, why should they care? Why should the West care about the rule of law and guarantees in Cyprus when they have more important things to do like maintaining the NATO alliance and tempting Turkey into the EU.
I've always held the view that Britain forced the Zurich agreement down Makarios's throat as a punishment/revenge for the EOKA campaign, it's a pity the same tactic wasn't applied to the Home Rule proposal a few years earlier.

BTW very interesting feature oh Varosha on BBC homepage today.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25496729

I know they don't care Jerry but this does not mean that Cyprus is now independent, in the truest of senses and it is not a colony with them pulling the strings behind the scenes.

It is, the north is full of British carpetbaggers and memorials for British colonial "war hero's". Then there is the direct colonization of Turkey and her citizens.

[GreekIslandGirl]

It took a while but Britain and the US realised that they only needed bases not a hostile nation.

Yes, it took a while for them to be made to realise they had to at least compromise against their complete colonialism over the whole island. The "while" which it took was 1955 to 1957/8 when EOKA fought against their declarations (now exposed in, then, secret documents - See William Mallinson's, Britain and Cyprus. Key Themes and Documents Since World War II). Before that, they wouldn't even allow a referendum and there were no moves to decolonise Cyprus; and, as you know, in fact they made several declarations of why Cyprus was different to the UK/USA compared to other colonies!

So, acording to your "logic" Cyprus would still be a British colony today were it not for Grivas - what bloody nonsense!

Not my logic but that of analysts of some of the recently released secret documents. There was no move to either allow Cyprus to join Greece as was the desire of the majority or to decolonise and leave Cyprus "be" - not until Cyprus was brought into the public interest by the actions of EOKA. Even then, Makarios fought hard to whittle down the size of the territories Britain wanted to retain. Stop talking out of your rear, Jerry and go and have a look at some of the documents at Kew or have a look at Mallinson's book which deals with this issue.

Without the actions of EOKA, Cyprus would have been more tied to Britain's government than either the Falklands or Gibraltar or some other of the many overseas territories still subject to the UK.

[Jerry]

It took a while but Britain and the US realised that they only needed bases not a hostile nation.

Yes, it took a while for them to be made to realise they had to at least compromise against their complete colonialism over the whole island. The "while" which it took was 1955 to 1957/8 when EOKA fought against their declarations (now exposed in, then, secret documents - See William Mallinson's, Britain and Cyprus. Key Themes and Documents Since World War II). Before that, they wouldn't even allow a referendum and there were no moves to decolonise Cyprus; and, as you know, in fact they made several declarations of why Cyprus was different to the UK/USA compared to other colonies!

So, acording to your "logic" Cyprus would still be a British colony today were it not for Grivas - what bloody nonsense!

Not my logic but that of analysts of some of the recently released secret documents. There was no move to either allow Cyprus to join Greece as was the desire of the majority or to decolonise and leave Cyprus "be" - not until Cyprus was brought into the public interest by the actions of EOKA. Even then, Makarios fought hard to whittle down the size of the territories Britain wanted to retain. Stop talking out of your rear, Jerry and go and have a look at some of the documents at Kew or have a look at Mallinson's book which deals with this issue.

Without the actions of EOKA, Cyprus would have been more tied to Britain's government than either the Falklands or Gibraltar or some other of the many overseas territories still subject to the UK.

More illogical crap from your rear Oracle. The Falklanders and Gibraltarians see themselves as British and want to remain so, the inhabitants of Cyprus saw themselves as GreeK, Turkish or Cypriot - certainly NOT British. As for the records in Kew, times change, policies change, laws change and the international movement in the 1960s was de-colonisation.

You must be the biggest nutter on the forum if you honestly believe that were it not for Grivas Cyprus would still be a British colony.

[GreekIslandGirl]

You are the eternal foolish optimist if you believe Britain would have given up Cyprus (since it STILL to this day has NOT given up Cyprus) without the fight EOKA started in 1955 after their declarations of treating Cyprus differently to other less-useful colonies.

There are no documents to suggest Britain seriously thought of giving up Cyprus and plenty which show it tricked Cypriots into fighting in the British Army for the possibility of enosis; and plenty more documents which demonstrate to what ENDS the British went to in order to secure their foothold in Cyprus which was only dented by EOKA.

BTW, Grivas was not the only one in EOKA.

[Jerry]

You are the eternal foolish optimist if you believe Britain would have given up Cyprus (since it STILL to this day has NOT given up Cyprus) without the fight EOKA started in 1955 after their declarations of treating Cyprus differently to other less-useful colonies.

There are no documents to suggest Britain seriously thought of giving up Cyprus and plenty which show it tricked Cypriots into fighting in the British Army for the possibility of enosis; and plenty more documents which demonstrate to what ENDS the British went to in order to secure their foothold in Cyprus which was only dented by EOKA.

BTW, Grivas was not the only one in EOKA.

Brit hating nutter, I really don't want to engage with you, there's no point.

BTW, EOKA would never have existed as it did without Grivas, read his memoirs, I'll loan you a copy if you pay for the postage.

Bloody nutter, doesn't know when to give up or shut up.