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[Jerry]

thanks but

I am looking for something, pre-1960 from the UN (or the UK) that states that the British government planned to stop their colonial rule in Cyprus and give Cypriots true independence peacefully.

This may give you an insight to the "negotiations" that were going on pre 1960. Don't forget he UK had signalled its willingness to give up Cyprus when it offered it to Greece in WW1.


The British seem agreeable on the understanding that they keep their air bases in the island and that Turkey consents.' This reference suggests that the British government may by then have already taken the important decision that it no longer needed complete sovereignty over Cyprus for its strategic purposes.

http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/macmillan_plan.html

[Lordo]

you must be joking rw, no sooner had he signed the agreement and the ink had not dried yet, he set about destroying the republic to join with greece. tcs would not have joined greece in a million years.

[repulsewarrior]

...yet still, he was the only one who would not split Cyprus in two.

[GreekIslandGirl]

...oh the strange and the internet, i was looking for news on the Karpas Road, and i found this one:

http://www.kyprisnews.com/2013/04/23/ge ... terrorist/

...all i can say, i am glad there are Greeks in Cyprus, and this author must have courage to say these words so frankly, about "Greeks".

your thoughts...

Your source is unreliable opinion.

The information about Generation X (inter alia) is not correct, although I have heard Turks say the same stuff here on CF.

During the events of December 1944, members of Organisation X (the weapons were recovered from the German army in their retreat from Greece) fought at the Theseon alongside British and Greek monarchist forces to take control of Athens from EAM/ELAS fighters. The accusation that Georgios Grivas collaborated with the German forces is a falsification of some British writers

Wiki

[GreekIslandGirl]

thanks but

I am looking for something, pre-1960 from the UN (or the UK) that states that the British government planned to stop their colonial rule in Cyprus and give Cypriots true independence peacefully.

This may give you an insight to the "negotiations" that were going on pre 1960. Don't forget he UK had signalled its willingness to give up Cyprus when it offered it to Greece in WW1.


The British seem agreeable on the understanding that they keep their air bases in the island and that Turkey consents.' This reference suggests that the British government may by then have already taken the important decision that it no longer needed complete sovereignty over Cyprus for its strategic purposes.

http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/macmillan_plan.html

The British made it quite clear they were NEVER going to release Cyprus. Your source is from 1957, around the time they were feeling beaten by EOKA and the USA stepped in to suggest keeping bases rather than ceding Cyprus to Greece which was the legitimate thing to do.

And do you have any sources for any conditions attached to giving Cyprus to Greece if they joined into WW1 ? There was no sincerity there and it was proven when Britain once again made a similar offer for WW2 and then did not cede Cyprus to Greece regardless of how many GCs fought for the British Army purely for that reason.

[Jerry]

thanks but

I am looking for something, pre-1960 from the UN (or the UK) that states that the British government planned to stop their colonial rule in Cyprus and give Cypriots true independence peacefully.

This may give you an insight to the "negotiations" that were going on pre 1960. Don't forget he UK had signalled its willingness to give up Cyprus when it offered it to Greece in WW1.


The British seem agreeable on the understanding that they keep their air bases in the island and that Turkey consents.' This reference suggests that the British government may by then have already taken the important decision that it no longer needed complete sovereignty over Cyprus for its strategic purposes.

http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/macmillan_plan.html

The British made it quite clear they were NEVER going to release Cyprus. Your source is from 1957, around the time they were feeling beaten by EOKA and the USA stepped in to suggest keeping bases rather than ceding Cyprus to Greece which was the legitimate thing to do.

And do you have any sources for any conditions attached to giving Cyprus to Greece if they joined into WW1 ? There was no sincerity there and it was proven when Britain once again made a similar offer for WW2 and then did not cede Cyprus to Greece regardless of how many GCs fought for the British Army purely for that reason.

I doubt most Cypriots were aware of or concerned about the conditions of the offer to Greece in WW1, they simply knew it had been offered. The Atlantic Charter (1941) further reinforced the requirement for Britain to give up its colonies, add to this Churchill’s speech in Cyprus in 1943 “the name of Cyprus will be included in the list of those who have deserved well” and the subsequent de-colonisation in India, Egypt Libya and others, independence was inevitable one day.

In late 1946, the British government announced plans to liberalize the colonial administration of Cyprus and to invite Cypriots to form a Consultative Assembly for the purpose of discussing a new constitution.

In July 1954, Henry L. Hopkinson, minister of state for the colonies, speaking in the British House of Commons, announced the withdrawal of the 1948 constitutional proposals for Cyprus in favour of an alternative plan. He went on to state, "There are certain territories in the Commonwealth which, owing to their peculiar circumstances, can never expect to be fully independent."
The writing was on the wall, not just for Cyprus but for all colonies. Cyprus never did become fully independent, the British kept 99sq miles and the three “guarantor” powers kept a finger in the Cyprus pie. Had Grivas kept out of Cyprus Britain would have had to give up the island eventually without a shot being fired and on the same terms as other liberated colonies. Grivas did no favours to Cyprus.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=3vgL ... W2&f=false

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Charter

http://countrystudies.us/cyprus/10.htm

[GreekIslandGirl]

Cyprus was NEVER going to be offered independence or what it wanted which was Enosis with Greece after WWII because of the say-so of USA. Any negotiations prior to 1960 where to secure Britain's (and hence USA's) foothold in Cyprus forever more. As we have today!

What part of EOKA's struggle, from 1955-1957 which weakened Britain's resolve, do you not understand as essential to the outcome? That of at least partial independence which otherwise was NEVER going to be given as confirmed by all the released documents we have managed to see these last few years?

Whatever Grivas did after 1963 was a reaction to TMT and Taksim. Before that, he was a saviour to Cyprus but his work was never completed.

[supporttheunderdog]

In response to gig wiki quote here is another link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_X

Grivas killed Greeks in the 1940's.

Anther one suggests that links with the Nazi occupiers were invented by the Greek Communists.

[Jerry]

Cyprus was NEVER going to be offered independence or what it wanted which was Enosis with Greece after WWII because of the say-so of USA. Any negotiations prior to 1960 where to secure Britain's (and hence USA's) foothold in Cyprus forever more. As we have today!

What part of EOKA's struggle, from 1955-1957 which weakened Britain's resolve, do you not understand as essential to the outcome? That of at least partial independence which otherwise was NEVER going to be given as confirmed by all the released documents we have managed to see these last few years?

Whatever Grivas did after 1963 was a reaction to TMT and Taksim. Before that, he was a saviour to Cyprus but his work was never completed.

It's quite clear that after WW2 there was a movement against colonialism, are you seriously suggesting that even today Cyprus would still be a British colony? It took a while but Britain and the US realised that they only needed bases not a hostile nation.

[B25]

Cyprus was NEVER going to be offered TRUE independence

Gig, your statement would have been more appropriate if it contained the word 'True', as above. Then the Traitors among us could not dispute it.