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[Lordo]

what not a single mention of the killings this day

RIP Cemaliye and Hilmi. Know one thing though peace is coming no matter what the swine think.

finally a gc leader has ditched his rejectionist partners and means business.

[Lordo]

the real question is have you swine leanrt anything from the last 50 years, i suspect nope.

http://cyprus-mail.com/2013/12/22/fifty-years-later-we-still-dont-accept-what-we-did-in-1963/

[supporttheunderdog]

There are two thought provoking articles in CM today, both well worth reading.

http://cyprus-mail.com/2013/12/22/1963-is-still-a-historical-minefield/

Do not expect any acknowledgement of the sins of the past on the part of The authors of the first evil A plan, the Akritas plan, the truth of which was exposed by Glafcos Clerides, by the supporters here of that nazi loving GD, eg Oracle/Phoenix/'g'IG, Youloser/Archimedes" and Kurupetos, only the tired old rhetoric of the past.

At best they and their ilk have their heads in the sand. They can only look back through blinkers. They and their kind are partly responsible for the continuation of the state of affairs.

Let us however not forget that from 1958 onwards the equally obnoxious TMT played its own evil part in enforcing the segregation by murder of TSC who worked against the campaign for Takism. Their successors are likewise responsible for the continuation of the division.

Oh and by the way, Turkish troops and Settlers out if Cyprus now.

[erolz66]

For me personally, speaking for no one else but myself, the simple acceptance of this past as related by Loucas Charalambous, or its denial is the biggest single factor that colors my perception of reunification today and what is 'needed' for such a settlement. I know there are GC like Loucas Charalambous that accept the realties of this period and some I know and consider good friends. If there was a genuine widespread acceptance amongst GC and the RoC state of these things, then I would personally support reunification on the basis of the TC community being a minority politically in a unitary state. Whilst there is on going widespread denial of them, then things like 'federal' and 'bi-zonal' become necessary elements of any settlement for me.

[Demonax]

Let us however not forget that from 1958 onwards the equally obnoxious TMT played its own evil part in enforcing the segregation by murder of TSC who worked against the campaign for Takism. Their successors are likewise responsible for the continuation of the division.

Good point. It's often overlooked that after independence Turkish Cypriots were murdered by the TMT well before the intercommunal violence of Xmas 1963. The most well known case is that of the Turkish Cypriot lawyers Ayhan Hikmet and Ahmet Gurkan who were assassinated by the TMT in April 1962 because they were critical of the Turkish Cypriot leadership's secessionist policies. Hikmet was shot in front of his wife while his children were sleeping next door.

The intercommunal violence of 1963 came against the background of the Turkish-backed TMT militia insurrection on the island which involved the TC leadership’s ambitions to partition Cyprus and make the island ungovernable. This clearly had a major influence on the GCs attitude to events and fed into the distrust and suspicion.

This is not to excuse or condone the killing of anyone. But it would be foolish to suggest that the violent events of fifty years ago came out of nowhere.

[erolz66]

The intercommunal violence of 1963 came against the background of the Turkish-backed TMT militia insurrection on the island which involved the TC leadership’s ambitions to partition Cyprus and make the island ungovernable. This clearly had a major influence on the GCs attitude to events and fed into the distrust and suspicion.

Are you saying that the GC leadership wanted the 1960 constitution to work ? That they had no aims or desire or plans to see it undermined ? To my mind there was no viable route to partition, whatever TC extremists may have wanted or done, in the absence of GC state sponsored illegal terrorist acts against the TC community. It was the use of state sponsored paramilitary gangs by the GC leadership, as part of a pre determined plan to remove the rights of the TC community post 1960 (Akritas plan) that empowered the TC extremists and made their goal of partition a possibility at all.

[B25]

The intercommunal violence of 1963 came against the background of the Turkish-backed TMT militia insurrection on the island which involved the TC leadership’s ambitions to partition Cyprus and make the island ungovernable. This clearly had a major influence on the GCs attitude to events and fed into the distrust and suspicion.

Are you saying that the GC leadership wanted the 1960 constitution to work ? That they had no aims or desire or plans to see it undermined ? To my mind there was no viable route to partition, whatever TC extremists may have wanted or done, in the absence of GC state sponsored illegal terrorist acts against the TC community. It was the use of state sponsored paramilitary gangs by the GC leadership, as part of a pre determined plan to remove the rights of the TC community post 1960 (Akritas plan) that empowered the TC extremists and made their goal of partition a possibility at all.

The terrorist TC groups were seeking partition well before then, more like pre 1955. Incredible with the one breadth you want the GCs to acknowledge their wrongs, but excuse the TCs for the brutal murders they committed!!!

Christofias even apologised for our wrong doings, I say where is your apology??? Seems to me that you as a Turks still go by the mindset 'what's mine is mine, what's yours is also mine'

I think it is clear now for all to see exactly where you are coming from.

[Demonax]

Are you saying that the GC leadership wanted the 1960 constitution to work ? That they had no aims or desire or plans to see it undermined ? To my mind there was no viable route to partition, whatever TC extremists may have wanted or done, in the absence of GC state sponsored illegal terrorist acts against the TC community. It was the use of state sponsored paramilitary gangs by the GC leadership, as part of a pre determined plan to remove the rights of the TC community post 1960 (Akritas plan) that empowered the TC extremists and made their goal of partition a possibility at all.

I'm saying that by 1957 the Turks had formulated their political objective clearly: the partition of Cyprus, which they set out to achieve by:

• establishing a separate identity for the Turkish Cypriots;
• demonstrating that coexistence between the Greek Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriots was impossible, and that they must therefore be physically separated; and
• creating territorial division between the two communities which were interspersed throughout the island.

The above goals have persisted as the cornerstone of Turkish and Turkish Cypriot policy over the years. As Hayrettin Erkmen, a member of the Turkish cabinet at the time of the Zurich Agreements [1959] and foreign minister after the invasion of Cyprus in 1974, has revealed: ‘Turkey’s posture on Cyprus might appear to be variable, but actually it adheres to a specific line.’ And he goes on to explain that when the thesis that Cyprus should be returned to Turkey failed, the idea of taksim [partition] was upheld: ‘and later we came upon the formula of a Cyprus Republic which was a kind of taksim’. This objective was paramount in Turkish minds during the Zurich negotiations.

It should not be forgotten that the Turkish Cypriot attacks on the Greek Cypriots in 1956-1958 were the first instance of violence between the two communities. These left far deeper and more lasting scars than could have been anticipated.

In the words of Stella Soulioti’s Fettered Independence: Cyprus, 1878-1964; she describes clearly how Turkey and nationalists from the Turkish minority on Cyprus pursued a plan to partition Cyprus and instigated this through a campaign of violence aimed at stirring up of ethnic conflict on the island. Her conclusion on the events of 1963 are as follows:

So much distorted publicity has been given by the Turks in later years to the events of 1963-1964, and so much more successful propaganda made out of them, that public opinion has been blinded to the fact that intercommunal strife in Cyprus was initiated as early as 1956 by the Turks themselves, not by Greeks, and that in 1963-1964 the Turks were not – as they have tried to convince the world – merely passive victims of Greek Cypriot violence, but protagonists in the continued pursuit of the Turkish objective of partition.

In assessing the psychological climate within the Greek Cypriot community in 1963-64, the following factors (emanating from the events of 1956-58 coupled with the divisive and unworkable elements of the 1960 constitution) must be taken into account:

• the enduring fear struck in the hearts of the Greek Cypriots by the 1956-1958 Turkish attacks;
• the feeling of helplessness and humiliation caused by the fact that one-fifth of the population had succeeded in terrorizing four-fifths;
• the loss of life, destruction of property and ousting of hundreds of Greek Cypriots from their homes in Nicosia; and
• the realization that the Turkish Cypriots had emerged from the Zurich-London agreements with a manifestly unjust and disproportionate share, which they were quick to exploit to their even greater advantage.

It is important as a matter of historical truth that these facts be remembered.

[Get Real!]

Your Ottoman forefathers came to Cyprus uninvited in 1571 and committed horrendous atrocities and ethnic cleansing against the native Cypriots for over 300 years, and you have the audacity to complain about miniscule incidents that took place in 1961, 63, or 67?

Get outta here!

[Get Real!]

what not a single mention of the killings this day

RIP Cemaliye and Hilmi. Know one thing though peace is coming no matter what the swine think.

finally a gc leader has ditched his rejectionist partners and means business.

You can always FUCK OFF back to where you came from because I didn't invite you here in my country sunshine.