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[erolz66]

What kind of absurdly distorted version of Cypriot history are you trying to push?

Maybe should ask Loucas Charalambous that question ?

What I cannot tolerate are absurd arguments and a complete ignorance of history.

As is your understanding of the so-called 'Akritas Plan' which had nothing to do with ethnic cleansing and everything to do with protecting the island from a possible Turkish invasion and changing the constitution to make it more democratic in order to reflect the will of the majority of the population.

No where do I claim the Akritas plan was a plan for ethnic cleansing. I claim the Akritas plan was what it was. Namely a SECRET plan to ILLEGALY remove the TC communities legal rights, using deceit and deception and where necessary illegal force against them. You do NOT make a country 'more democratic' by creating SECRET plans this. You talk about ignorance of history and distortion of history and then portray this secret plans, by the state itself, that lays out the use of illegal force against a section of its own population as somehow 'justified' as a mean to make the country 'more democratic' Are you insane ?

You cannot even acknowledge that the 1960 Constitution had become unworkable because the Turks were exploiting its provisions to create crisis, collapse the state and to bring about partition.

I do not deny that there were elements within the TC leadership that sought to prove the 60 constitution was unworkable, just as there were elements within the GC leadership with exactly the same agenda. What you seem incapable of understanding or accepting is the actions of the GC leadership (like the akritas pan), rather than weaken and undermine such elements only served to strength and support it.

Instead you gloss over all the evidence that the Turkish Cypriot leadership were in league with Turkey to partition the island and you demand we apologise for resisting the belligerence of Turkey and the insurrection of their proxies in our midst.

You did not 'resist plots by TC and Turkey to divide the island'. You sought to achieve enosis without having to pay any regard for the rights of TC to have a say in this fundamental change to their lives in their own shared homeland and you sought to do so by use of illegal violence and deception and deceit when legal means had failed to deliver enosis. In doing so you strengthened and increased those in the TC community and Turkey who sought partition to a degree that partition (also not achievable by any legal means) became not just possible but an actuality.

I'm all for truth and reconciliation but before there can be reconciliation there must first be truth. I will leave apologies to useful idiots like Loukas Charalambous who tells you want to hear. You clearly are satisfied with that. So there's very little more to say.

Indeed truth must come before reconciliation. However it does seem to me that you do not want 'truth' so much as you want 'your truth and only your truth', which is why we still are not further towards reconciliation than ever I suppose.

[Get Real!]

Maybe should ask Loucas Charalambous that question ?

You're starting to get comical...

[Get Real!]

...a genuine apology would be a great start to trusting GCs and not demand measures that would normally be considered excessive.

Would you like that going back 100, 200, or 300 years?

[Get Real!]

VP, Erolz, Lordo, etc…

You’re hanging around here all day like a hooker waiting for any sucker to show up who will listen to your drivel so that you may extract an “apology” because you actually believe you’re in the right despite 400 odd years of horrendous crimes committed by your disgusting tribe against native Cypriots.

It goes to show what a shameless, irresponsible, despicable, and arrogant Ottoman cockroach you are but then again…

If you were to start apologizing to the native Cypriots like you should, you wouldn’t have enough life-time to cover all your crimes and the apologizing would have to be passed down for continuation to your children and your children’s children just to cover the first 10 years of your unwelcome brutal stay on Cyprus let alone the remaining years, up to and including 1974 when you were cowardly throwing hundreds and hundreds of captured and bound Cypriots overboard in the sea north of Cyprus!

So, on behalf of true 100% native Cypriots (not Greek or Turkish gimmicks) let me extend my middle Cypriot finger in your face as a token of the coming “partnership” that awaits you in the new year 2014.

Ta-ta...

[Viewpoint]

Get Real just go and celebrate your "virgin" birth you havent got a clue about anything else.....used to think you were one of the sane ones.

[Get Real!]

Get Real just go and celebrate your "virgin" birth you havent got a clue about anything else.....used to think you were one of the sane ones.

The three of you stooges should get some diving gear so you can descend about half way in the sea between Kyrenia and the Turkish coast where you’ll find literally hundreds of skeletons of Cypriot men, women and children bound in fetal position lying on the sea bed so you can ask them for an apology… how’s that?

You like?

Ask daddy… he knows the exact location!

[erolz66]

Maybe should ask Loucas Charalambous that question ?

You're starting to get comical...

Why ? You think he has less credibility than you do ? Now that is a laugh.

so that you may extract an “apology”

I am not even asking for an apology here. The point I am trying to make is how much a basic acceptance of the role the GC community had in getting us all to the point we are in today, like that shown by Loucas Charalambous, positively affects the views of ordinary TC like me with regards to any future settlement and how negatively the denial of such by so many posters here affects it negatively. You would think if posters here were genuine about wanting a settlement (rather than just the capitulation of the TC community to the will of GC, that they have failed to secure for over 50 years) then understanding these positives and negatives would be of interest.

So, on behalf of true 100% native Cypriots (not Greek or Turkish gimmicks)

So where were these 'true 100% native Cypriots' in 55-60 when allegedly 97% of the GC community signed petitions in favour of enosis ? If they had actually existed back then , then we would not be in the mess we are today.

[Sotos]

I claim the Akritas plan was what it was. Namely a SECRET plan to ILLEGALY remove the TC communities legal rights, using deceit and deception and where necessary illegal force against them.

Force by you and foreigners UK & Turkey is how the TCs got those undemocratic, racist "rights" in the first place.

So where were these 'true 100% native Cypriots' in 55-60 when allegedly 97% of the GC community signed petitions in favour of enosis ? If they had actually existed back then , then we would not be in the mess we are today.

So whats wrong with the native Cypriots making peaceful democratic choices? If you and foreigners UK & Turkey showed respect to the democratic choices of the Cypriot people then we wouldn't be in the mess we are today.

[Lordo]

there is a very simple reason why you cannot be trusted to behave in a non racists democratic way and that is you have not evolved out of the cave yet. when you join the 21sts century we will be ok in the mean time you do your thing and we will do ours.

in the past when fascists have taken over and caused wars when they were defeated normally they get weeded out of the system. with you people this did not happen. the fascists are running the education system and the media, which they keep feeding you bullshit and you grow like a mushroom.
admittedly human dna and mushroom dna are not that far apart but you still need a few billion years to join the human race.