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Cypriot Surnames : Pilgrims to holy places

Postby Flying Horse » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:43 pm

Over the past three weeks I have settled in on a Thursday evening to watch a little Greek/Turkish history on TV. I have a love of architecture, especially religious buildings.

One on the 'bucket list' of places to visit must be the Hagia Sophia in Istanbul. This being the main topic of the series, seeing it on a HD screen of 42 inches really did take me off into wonderland. :D
For those who can get the BBC iplayer, you may be able to watch the series of three on catch up. Entitled 'Byzantium'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... Episode_1/

Watching the first episode of the Byzantine building of Byzantia/Constantinople/Istanbul, and establishing that the Hagia Sophia and the city itself was a pivotal part of religious history, especially the Greek,s it got us thinking of where surnames come from.

In particular the 'Hadji's'.

We know that the Hadji folk were such named because of their pilgrimages to Holy places, and were always told it was to Jerusalem. Our minds wandered and hypothetically concluded

What if it wasn't Jerusalem, and it was actually to the Hagia Sophia, being the all famous and mightiest place on earth for Orthodox Greeks of the time? Would it be absured to think this was the pilgrimage place?

This then led off to how the spelling of our surname should be. I have found a 'little' evidence that our name hasn't always been one singular spelling, but a double barrelled one. 'Hadji-Ktori(s). The 'S' isn't on ours but its puzzled me because I was given evidence on a fax that showed FIL name with an S, and relevant others in our family...along with the other name (presumably from my other halfs grandparents) Kountoureshi.

I have still found little evidence that there are an abundance of us on Cyprus either. Are these people hermits? Are they a dying breed? Don't want to be found by the black sheep in the UK? Every avenue I have been given has been concluded with nothing, or can't help. :roll:

So people of CF.....where the blooming heck are these people, can you help?
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Re: Cypriot Surnames : Pilgrims to holy places

Postby Get Real! » Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:34 pm

Flying Horse wrote:In particular the 'Hadji's'.

I think the main thing is baptism in the Jordan river.

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Re: Cypriot Surnames : Pilgrims to holy places

Postby Get Real! » Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:38 pm

As for the “s” it’s a matter of tenses.

Hajis = One who has attained the pilgrimage/baptism status

Hajimarkou = The modified surname.
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Re: Cypriot Surnames : Pilgrims to holy places

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:47 pm

GR!'s right about the "s" - its use denotes case and modifies a noun. Such as O Markos (nominative), Tou Markou (genitive), Ton Marko(n) (accusative) etc
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Re: Cypriot Surnames : Pilgrims to holy places

Postby Flying Horse » Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:36 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Flying Horse wrote:In particular the 'Hadji's'.

I think the main thing is baptism in the Jordan river.

http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com ... 25x569.jpg


Oh, right! Well theres something I have learned today :D I just presumed it was because of pilgrimage as opposed to an actual baptism. Thankyou GR.

I'm not sure I'm following on the S part. One generation it was with an s at the end, now it isn't. Maybe by mistake, maybe not :/
I'm afraid I'm being terribly thick aren't I..... :?:

I blame Christmas :roll:

I'd know all these things if there was his mum and dad. Christmas brings great joy to some, but deep sadness for others. :cry:
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Re: Cypriot Surnames : Pilgrims to holy places

Postby Get Real! » Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:48 pm

The gravy on the turkey and potatoes and the buttered steaming vegetables is the only exciting thing for me during xmas. :)

I don’t care about presents and I hope I don’t get any as I don’t need anything.
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Re: Cypriot Surnames : Pilgrims to holy places

Postby Flying Horse » Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:04 pm

Get Real! wrote:The gravy on the turkey and potatoes and the buttered steaming vegetables is the only exciting thing for me during xmas. :)

I don’t care about presents and I hope I don’t get any as I don’t need anything.


:lol:

A man easily pleased? Sometimes the simplest things bring pleasure!
I don't care about presents either, apart from the excitement they give the children. It makes me sad then, because someone always says 'I wish mum and dad could see them'. :|
I have a large and brilliant family. The other half, well, we are his family. I can feel his loneliness at this time of year when we are all together at my parents.
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Re: Cypriot Surnames : Pilgrims to holy places

Postby Oceanside50 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:00 pm

Since the pre hadj.. Is passed down to the offspring, if the offspring takes the pilgrimage is the kid a double Hadjis ??...how does that work? Do other parts of the Greek world have the same tradition(using Hadji) or is it only in Cyprus?
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Re: Cypriot Surnames : Pilgrims to holy places

Postby Get Real! » Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:14 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:Since the pre hadj.. Is passed down to the offspring, if the offspring takes the pilgrimage is the kid a double Hadjis ??...how does that work?

Misc titles:

Wife of Hadjis = Hadjina

Children of Hadjis = Hadjouthkia

Grand children of Hadjis = Hadjiskadouthkia

Two generations of Hadjis in a row = Hadjis squared


Do other parts of the Greek world have the same tradition(using Hadji) or is it only in Cyprus?

The Greek world? If there's such a thing it's confined to Greece mate. :lol:
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Re: Cypriot Surnames : Pilgrims to holy places

Postby Flying Horse » Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:11 pm

:shock:

Now I'm really confused!

Its far easier passing down first names :lol:
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