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Re: 'Turkey Is Not A Banana Republic'

Postby Jerry » Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:53 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Jerry wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Jerry wrote:Erdo's visiting the EU tomorrow, should be interesting!

The increasingly authoritarian Turkish PM, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, will on Tuesday (21 January) visit the EU capital for the first time in three years.
His trip was meant to celebrate the recent restart of accession talks. But instead, EU chiefs are likely to criticise his purge on Turkish policemen who tried to investigate corruption in his inner circle.
EU officials expect a brief, but lively, press conference. “Erdogan will have prepared his rebuttals well in advance,” one contact said.
http://euobserver.com/agenda/122767


Perhaps they could also dig a little deeper and ask some more pertinent questions, such as how the conspiratorial Islamic sect that Erdoğan is suddenly so concerned about was in the first place permitted, partly on his watch, to infiltrate the police and judiciary to such an extent that they were able to wage a reign of terror against the secularist opposition, to the extent of imprisoning many hundreds of opponents of political Islam in Turkey based on fabricated evidence.


Yes, they could also ask him why he is illegally colonising a member State of the EU. They never have had the balls to in the past, it's time they were more direct and put him on the spot.


Fair point although it is not really connected with the present crisis.


Well yes and no. Both the present crisis and the Cyprus problem are reasons to stall Turkey's EU membership. The EU has criticised Turkey's take-over in the north on several occasions but it now has the chance to ask Erdo to his face why is he doing it. He does not, of course, have a legitimate answer.
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Re: 'Turkey Is Not A Banana Republic'

Postby Jerry » Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:00 pm

"We are ready to listen to any criticism or any view raised in the European Union as long as those criticisms and views are based upon EU standards and norms." He warned Brussels not to take a "discriminatory attitude" toward Turkey, suggesting the proposed changes to the HSYK were comparable to existing laws in various EU countries.

"If there is anything that is against the EU standards, we will listen to this, but we will ask one by one how the situation is in Europe, in Spain, in France," Davutoglu said.


Perhaps he can listen to EU standards on colonisation today and compare it to Spain and France, what an idiot.
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Re: 'Turkey Is Not A Banana Republic'

Postby Maximus » Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:21 pm

Jerry wrote:
"We are ready to listen to any criticism or any view raised in the European Union as long as those criticisms and views are based upon EU standards and norms." He warned Brussels not to take a "discriminatory attitude" toward Turkey, suggesting the proposed changes to the HSYK were comparable to existing laws in various EU countries.

"If there is anything that is against the EU standards, we will listen to this, but we will ask one by one how the situation is in Europe, in Spain, in France," Davutoglu said.


Perhaps he can listen to EU standards on colonisation today and compare it to Spain and France, what an idiot.


He should stick to what he knows, which is nothing.
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Re: 'Turkey Is Not A Banana Republic'

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:55 am

From His Refuge in the Poconos, Reclusive Imam Fethullah Gulen Roils Turkey

Religious Leader Lashes Out at Prime Minister Erdogan, a One-Time Ally

By Joe Parkinson and Ayla Albayrak

The reclusive imam whose crumbling political marriage of convenience with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has threatened the stability of the West's biggest ally in a turbulent region lashed out Monday at his one-time partner, the strongest sign yet of an irreparable split.

In comments he made to The Wall Street Journal, Fethullah Gulen, a charismatic cleric who preaches a message of tolerance to his millions of followers from his self-imposed exile in Pennsylvania's Pocono Mountains, accused Mr. Erdogan of abandoning the path of reform after more than a decade in power.

The Gulen movement says that it runs more than 2000 educational premises, including charter schools, university departments, language centers and religious courses, in 160 countries.

"Turkish people…are upset that in the last two years democratic progress is now being reversed," Mr. Gulen said in emailed answers to questions—his first such exchange since a corruption probe plunged Mr. Erdogan's government into crisis last month.

"Purges based on ideology, sympathy or world views was a practice of the past that the present ruling party promised to stop," he wrote.

Mr. Gulen hinted that his movement—known internally as Hizmet, which means service, and externally as Cemaat, which means congregation—would like to see a challenge to Mr. Erdogan's Islamist-leaning Justice and Development Party, or AKP.

He didn't rule out members of his flock shifting their support to the opposition Republican People's Party—Mr. Erdogan's secularist nemesis, which was established by modern Turkey's founder, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. Delegations from the two sides met in New York in early December, but no announcements resulted.

"When the opportunities come, Cemaat participants, just like any other citizen will make their choices based on their values," the cleric said in the interview. "It is possible that people who share core values will make choices along the same lines."

Mr. Gulen's move appears to represent an unraveling of the broad, Islamist-rooted coalition that has governed Turkey since 2002—a decade during which the economy boomed, living standards rose and Ankara's international influence grew.

Mr. Erdogan ushered in a rare period of stability for Turkey, reining in the military and pursuing membership in the European Union. The country was often cited as a model of how Western-style democracy could flourish in the Muslim world.

As the only majority Muslim member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, with the largest land force after the U.S., Turkey also has acted as a bridgehead for Washington to retain influence as it scales back the U.S. military presence.

Now as Turkey approaches a series of elections, starting in March, that could set its political direction for the next decade, Mr. Erdogan has suddenly found himself in the midst of a corruption scandal that has ensnared dozens of his political allies.

He accuses Gulenists in the police and judiciary of trying to force him from power and creating what he calls a "parallel state" within the bureaucracy.
"This conspiracy eclipses all other coup attempts in Turkey. It is a virus bent on taking power," Mr. Erdogan said to AKP lawmakers in Ankara last week. "Fortunately our body is healthy. We will triumph."

Mr. Erdogan's spokesman didn't respond to messages left for comment Monday night.

The disarray is spooking investors and aggravating a glut of economic problems, threatening to undermine the premier's chief political achievement: years of steady growth.

With the U.S. Federal Reserve winding down its stimulus efforts at the same time, the Turkish currency has sunk to record lows, borrowing costs have surged and stocks have slumped.

Private savings, foreign investment and exports are shrinking, meaning local businesses that prospered under Mr. Erdogan are taking a hit. The central bank—politically constrained by a prime minister who has decried raising interest rates as "un-Islamic"—has little room to stem the declines.

For years Cemaat was a crucial partner underpinning the AKP, even though the movement is officially nonaligned. "We have never formed an alliance or partnership with a political party or candidate," Mr. Gulen said in the interview.

The outcome of their clash could dictate both Mr. Erdogan's political future and the shape of political Islam in Turkey.

"Mr. Gulen's statements confirm that this turf war has gone beyond the point of no return, and we are looking at the battleground which could shape the next generation of Turkish politics," said Sinan Ulgen, chairman of the Center for the Study of Democracy, an Istanbul-based think tank.

Mr. Gulen, 72 years old, leads his flock from a leafy, 25-acre estate in the Poconos, where he landed more than a decade ago after seeking medical treatment in the U.S.

Known to cry during sermons, he preaches a Calvinist-style work ethic and has built a world-wide movement that operates charter schools in 160 countries, including the U.S., where Cemaat has forged ties with local and national political leaders, paying for congressional trips to Turkey.

Referred to as Hodjaefendi, or "honorable teacher," Mr. Gulen has an estimated two million disciples and a further two million sympathizers at home and abroad. Many of them occupy senior jobs in government and law enforcement in Turkey.

His followers also run one of the biggest Turkish business organizations, Tuskon, which represents more than 55,000 companies, and publish Zaman, the largest-circulation daily.

Private rifts between Messrs. Gulen and Erdogan exploded into public view in December after the government announced a plan to shutter private schools that help students prepare for college exams. Many of the schools are owned by the Gulen movement, generating revenue and new members.
Less than two weeks later, authorities unveiled the corruption investigation, arresting dozens of people. The prime minister responded by shuffling his cabinet and shaking up the police and the judiciary.

Mr. Gulen has complained that his followers were targeted in the purges, and denies involvement in any conspiracy. "We will never be a part of any plot against those who are governing our country," the imam said.

One of the biggest mysteries about Mr. Gulen is how much sway he holds over his followers and how his influence is transmitted through the movement's nebulous hierarchy.

Members of Cemaat deny that they are seeking to take over state institutions, insisting that the structure is informal and they are merely "inspired" by Mr. Gulen's teachings.

The imam gained a broad following for his moderate sermons in the 1960s and '70s. He benefited from Turkey's economic liberalization in the 1980s, which allowed his followers to found companies that have become among the country's largest.

In 2000, a video surfaced showing Mr. Gulen saying: "You must move into the arteries of the system, without anyone noticing, until you reach all the power centers." The military-backed government charged him with threatening the integrity of the Turkish state. Mr. Gulen denied the charges and claimed the video had been tampered with.

The following year, he left for the U.S., opting to convalesce on a sprawling Amishcountry estate in the town of Saylorsburg, Pa. In 2001 he secured a green card and remains on U.S. soil despite being acquitted in Turkey in 2006.

By then, the secular elites that had long dominated Turkish politics were being elbowed aside by the popular Mr. Erdogan. The Gulenists joined him, supplying his AKP with well-educated cadres to manage state institutions as well as a supportive media.

The government gave Gulenist schools, charities and companies access to opportunities at home and abroad. The army, a once-invincible secularist force and instigator of four coups since 1960, was brought to heel through a series of cases known as Sledgehammer and Ergenekon, spearheaded by Gulenist prosecutors and backed by the government.

Proponents of the trials saw them as the definitive break with military influence; opponents said they were selective justice based on weak or trumped-up evidence.

The confirmation of the split between the two men comes as the premier has appeared to gain the upper hand. Last week he blocked a new corruption probe implicating his son by reassigning more than 2,000 police commanders and seeking to seize control of judicial appointments.

"It is ironic that members of the police force and judiciary who were applauded as heroes a few months ago are now being shuffled in the middle of winter without any investigation," Mr. Gulen said.

According to Mr. Gulen, government attacks on his business interests, including Bank Asya, a lender with some $20 billion in assets, are "already a reality."
Senior AKP politicians say that forming an alliance with the Gulenists was a mistake that Mr. Erdogan is determined to correct.

"These purges should continue, because Cemaat members do not conform with the state hierarchy but take orders from the movement. They run their own political system inside the institutions within the state," said Osman Can, a member of AKP's executive board.

Mr. Gulen said it was Mr. Erdogan's government that has changed. "Our values or stance have not changed," he said. "Whether the stance or actions of the political actors are consistent with their earlier record should be decided by the Turkish people and unbiased observers."


http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1 ... 91570.html
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Re: 'Turkey Is Not A Banana Republic'

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:09 am


Leader of group accused of plotting against Turkey calls Pennsylvania home

Istanbul (CNN) -- One of the world's most powerful Muslim preachers lives behind a gated compound in the small, leafy town of Saylorsburg, Pennsylvania.
The reclusive Turkish cleric's name is Fethullah Gulen.

If you believe the Turkish government, supporters of this cleric in Pennsylvania are spearheading a coup attempt in Turkey that is destabilizing one of America's most important allies in the Middle East.

In recent weeks, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, a religious conservative, has compared Gulen and his supporters to a virus and a medieval cult of assassins.

Meanwhile, in an interview with CNN, a top official from Erdogan's ruling Justice and Development Party, or AKP, called the Gulen movement a "fifth column" that had infiltrated the Turkish police force and judiciary.

"We are confronted by a structure that doesn't take orders from within the chain of command of the state," parliament member and deputy AKP chairman Mahir Unal told CNN. "Rather, it takes orders from outside the state."

Who is this mysterious man in Pennsylvania?

The 72-year old imam went into self-imposed exile when he moved from Turkey to the United States in 1999.

He rarely speaks to journalists and has turned down interview requests from CNN for more than two years. But in a rare e-mail interview published in The Wall Street Journal on Tuesday, Gulen denied any involvement in a political conspiracy.

"We will never be a part of any plot against those who are governing our country," he wrote, according to The Wall Street Journal.

Muslim cleric and school spiritual leader

Supporters describe Gulen as a moderate Muslim cleric who champions interfaith dialogue. Promotional videos show him meeting with Pope John Paul II in the Vatican in the 1990s. He also repeatedly met with rabbis and Christian priests in Turkey.

The preacher is best known as the spiritual leader of a network of schools and universities that operate in more than 100 countries. In the U.S., this academic empire includes Harmony Public Schools, the largest charter school network in Texas. The U.S. Department of Education awarded Harmony schools in Texas a $30 million grant after they received high scores in the government's "Race to the Top" education competition.

Every year, students from Gulen schools around the world gather in Istanbul for a lavish series of concerts, dances and academic competitions called The Turkish Olympics. At these events, African students perform Turkish folk dances in traditional Turkish costumes before packed stadium audiences.

Gulen supporter and newspaper columnist Ihsan Yilmaz insisted the schools "are not owned by Gulen," but by a loose network of volunteers from the cleric's movement.

"These people know each other, they meet together, but officially speaking, (the schools) are owned by different businessmen," Yilmaz explained.

Volunteers in the Gulen movement also own TV stations, the largest-circulation newspaper in Turkey, gold mines and at least one Turkish bank.

"There are many businessmen in Turkey who espouse the ideas of Gulen. Because starting from the 1960s, Gulen has been teaching them look, in order to be a good Muslim, you don't have to be a poor guy," explained Yilmaz, who is also a professor of political science at Fatih University, a Gulen-affiliated school in Istanbul.

Relations with the Prime Minister

Throughout much of the last decade, the Gulen movement was also a strong Erdogan supporter.

Pro-Gulen media outlets backed sprawling investigations of alleged coup plots organized by Turkish military commanders. Dozens of military officers, as well as secular writers, academics and businessmen, waited for years in prison for trials that critics called witch hunts.

At that time, it also became increasingly dangerous to criticize the Gulen movement.

Police arrested and imprisoned writer Ahmet Sik for more than a year, accusing him of supporting a terrorist organization. A court banned his book "The Imam's Army," which took a critical look at the Gulen movement, before it was even published.

Now out of prison, but still facing charges, Sik said the long-standing alliance between Turkey's two most prominent Islamic conservative leaders -- Erdogan and Gulen -- had collapsed into a bitter power struggle.

"There was a forced marriage, and the fight that began with who would lead the family is continuing as an ugly divorce," Sik told CNN.

"On the one side, there is the Gulen community, a dark and opaque power that can damage the most powerful administration in Turkish history. And on the other side, you have an administration that under the guise of fighting this community can and has suspended all legal and democratic principles," he said.

In November, Erdogan announced plans to shut down privately owned preparatory schools, which help some Turkish students study for university entrance exams. Pro-Gulen media groups denounced the move, which would hurt an important part of the Gulen academic empire in Turkey.

Anti-corruption raids

On December 17, police carried out a series of anti-corruption raids targeting dozens of people closely linked to the Turkish government. Among those arrested were the sons of two senior Cabinet ministers as well as the head of the state-owned HalkBank. Outlets like the pro-Gulen newspaper Today's Zaman published detailed reports alleging that police found large amounts of cash -- in the case of the bank director, stored in shoe boxes -- in the homes of some of the suspects.

Erdogan denounced the allegations of graft against his government. Instead, he accused police and prosecutors of organizing a politically motivated investigation to hurt his party before nationwide municipal elections in March. The Turkish government embarked on the highly unusual mass demotion of thousands of police and prosecutors believed to be involved in the investigation.

'God is behind us'

"There is a political crisis in Turkey right now, and also a societal crisis in the sense that I've hardly seen Turkish society this polarized, this tense, this paranoid," said Mustafa Akyol, author of the book "Islam Without Extremes."

"Both sides use religious language to justify themselves," Akyol added. "Both sides say 'God is behind us.' "

In a fiery speech distributed on one of his movement's websites last month, Gulen accused the Turkish government of hypocrisy.

"Those who don't see the thief but go after those trying to catch the thief, who don't see the murder but try to defame others by accusing innocent people: Let God bring fire to their houses, ruin their homes, break their unity," the cleric yelled while shaking his fist in anger.

There are few signs that the power struggle between rival wings of the Turkish bureaucracy shows any signs of letting up. Speaking on condition of anonymity, Erdogan supporters have said that a recent series of police arrests targeting alleged al Qaeda suspects in Turkey were actually carried out by pro-Gulen police and prosecutors seeking to embarrass the Turkish government.

Within hours of the anti-al Qaeda raids on January 14, a counter-terror police commander involved was reportedly demoted to his department's juvenile crimes division.

As the mudslinging also continues between different factions of the Turkish media, it is highly unlikely that the enigmatic cleric, safely sequestered in Pennsylvania, will return to face the political firestorm in Turkey anytime soon.


http://edition.cnn.com/2014/01/21/world ... ia-cleric/
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Re: 'Turkey Is Not A Banana Republic'

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:34 am

The Supreme Board of Judges and Prosecutors has assigned 97 judges and public prosecutors to new duties. The purge continues.

http://www.cumhuriyet.com.tr/haber/turk ... gisti.html
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Re: 'Turkey Is Not A Banana Republic'

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:21 pm

Anti-corruption operations are still continuing. There have been 30 arrests at Halkalı Customs in a swoop on a ring that has allegedly been assigning textile imports from China, on which there is a heavy duty, to another category that incurs a lower duty.

http://www.radikal.com.tr/ekonomi/halka ... on-1172016
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Re: 'Turkey Is Not A Banana Republic'

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:21 pm

On the Ankara police force, 470 officers have been assigned to new duties.

http://www.cumhuriyet.com.tr/haber/turk ... prem_.html
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Re: 'Turkey Is Not A Banana Republic'

Postby bill cobbett » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:22 pm

MPs of the Turkish Parliament were again debating in their usual robust style yesterday, with one MP needing hospital treatment ...

http://www.timesofisrael.com/turkish-pa ... ent-swing/
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Re: 'Turkey Is Not A Banana Republic'

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:12 pm

bill cobbett wrote:MPs of the Turkish Parliament were again debating in their usual robust style yesterday, with one MP needing hospital treatment ...

http://www.timesofisrael.com/turkish-pa ... ent-swing/


... and Erdoğan has publicly defended the AKP MP who dealt that punch!
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