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Re: 'Turkey Is Not A Banana Republic'

Postby B25 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:54 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Discussion will begin today in the Parliamentary Justice Commission of a bill which, if it becomes law, will bring the Supreme Board of Judges and Prosecutors, the body which supervises the judiciary, under the direct control of the Ministry of Justice, thus striking a serious blow to the independence of the judiciary.


Stefan Füle, European Commissioner for Enlargement and European Neighbourhood, has said that Turkey, as a candidate EU member, must first consult with the EU before the proposed law for changing the structure of the Supreme Board of Judges and Prosecutors is enacted so as to ensure that it complies with EU legislation.

http://www.radikal.com.tr/turkiye/ab_hs ... in-1170624

(Personally, I do not see how this law can fail to be struck down by the Constitutional Court.)


Tim, you do make me laugh at times, A dictatorship does what it wants, there is no such thing as the rule of law in Turkey. Come on, dod you expect anything different? Honestly.
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Re: 'Turkey Is Not A Banana Republic'

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:07 pm

B25 wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Discussion will begin today in the Parliamentary Justice Commission of a bill which, if it becomes law, will bring the Supreme Board of Judges and Prosecutors, the body which supervises the judiciary, under the direct control of the Ministry of Justice, thus striking a serious blow to the independence of the judiciary.


Stefan Füle, European Commissioner for Enlargement and European Neighbourhood, has said that Turkey, as a candidate EU member, must first consult with the EU before the proposed law for changing the structure of the Supreme Board of Judges and Prosecutors is enacted so as to ensure that it complies with EU legislation.

http://www.radikal.com.tr/turkiye/ab_hs ... in-1170624

(Personally, I do not see how this law can fail to be struck down by the Constitutional Court.)


Tim, you do make me laugh at times, A dictatorship does what it wants, there is no such thing as the rule of law in Turkey. Come on, dod you expect anything different? Honestly.


At the moment everything that has been done accords with the letter, if not the spirit, of the law. For as long as Turkey remains a signatory to the European Convention of Human Rights and a candidate EU member, Erdoğan cannot act in precisely the same manner as Putin.
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Re: 'Turkey Is Not A Banana Republic'

Postby B25 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:20 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
B25 wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Discussion will begin today in the Parliamentary Justice Commission of a bill which, if it becomes law, will bring the Supreme Board of Judges and Prosecutors, the body which supervises the judiciary, under the direct control of the Ministry of Justice, thus striking a serious blow to the independence of the judiciary.


Stefan Füle, European Commissioner for Enlargement and European Neighbourhood, has said that Turkey, as a candidate EU member, must first consult with the EU before the proposed law for changing the structure of the Supreme Board of Judges and Prosecutors is enacted so as to ensure that it complies with EU legislation.

http://www.radikal.com.tr/turkiye/ab_hs ... in-1170624

(Personally, I do not see how this law can fail to be struck down by the Constitutional Court.)


Tim, you do make me laugh at times, A dictatorship does what it wants, there is no such thing as the rule of law in Turkey. Come on, dod you expect anything different? Honestly.


At the moment everything that has been done accords with the letter, if not the spirit, of the law. For as long as Turkey remains a signatory to the European Convention of Human Rights and a candidate EU member, Erdoğan cannot act in precisely the same manner as Putin.


We shall see. There is nothing stopping them ripping up those agreements when it doesn't suit them, that's the kind of people they are.
We have seen proof of this, customs agreement, football agreement and whatever else.
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Re: 'Turkey Is Not A Banana Republic'

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:36 pm

B25 wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
B25 wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Discussion will begin today in the Parliamentary Justice Commission of a bill which, if it becomes law, will bring the Supreme Board of Judges and Prosecutors, the body which supervises the judiciary, under the direct control of the Ministry of Justice, thus striking a serious blow to the independence of the judiciary.


Stefan Füle, European Commissioner for Enlargement and European Neighbourhood, has said that Turkey, as a candidate EU member, must first consult with the EU before the proposed law for changing the structure of the Supreme Board of Judges and Prosecutors is enacted so as to ensure that it complies with EU legislation.

http://www.radikal.com.tr/turkiye/ab_hs ... in-1170624

(Personally, I do not see how this law can fail to be struck down by the Constitutional Court.)


Tim, you do make me laugh at times, A dictatorship does what it wants, there is no such thing as the rule of law in Turkey. Come on, dod you expect anything different? Honestly.


At the moment everything that has been done accords with the letter, if not the spirit, of the law. For as long as Turkey remains a signatory to the European Convention of Human Rights and a candidate EU member, Erdoğan cannot act in precisely the same manner as Putin.


We shall see. There is nothing stopping them ripping up those agreements when it doesn't suit them, that's the kind of people they are.
We have seen proof of this, customs agreement, football agreement and whatever else.


Please do not forget that the Council of State recently struck down changes passed through parliament to the rules governing police investigations which would have required the police to inform the provincial or sub-provincial governor as well as the public prosecution of their actions. This was a move that Erdoğan hoped to use to bring the police under greater control.
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Re: 'Turkey Is Not A Banana Republic'

Postby B25 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:42 pm

Yes, Thanks for the reminder, but the show is not over until the fat lady sings as they say.

To me it is very ironic that a government is writing and planning to pass laws that allows them freedom above the law?? It is a contradiction of terms. Goodness, why don't they just rip up the law book and live a lawless life? Or are we saying that these are protection methods for the elite???
Either way, it stinks. And you will notice not a single post of condemnation from your Turk buddies on this site... I wonder.
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Re: 'Turkey Is Not A Banana Republic'

Postby bill cobbett » Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:03 am

Alongside the corruption allegations and the interference in the investigation and in the judiciary, Business Insider brings together a number of themes in how the USA/Turkey alliance is being derailed by Erdogan and Davutoglu.

(We've covered these separately above)

The views of Dr. Jonathan Schanzer, a former terrorism finance analyst at the U.S. Department of the Treasury, are reported " ...

1) " Last year Turkey was almost blacklisted by the Financial Action Task Force (FATF), an international terror finance regulatory body, for being out of compliance with its status obligations.

2) "Turkey appears to be a top sponsor of Hamas right now," Schanzer said, referring to the U.S.-designated terrorist group that governs the Gaza Strip.

3) Syria: "We continue to hear about the flow of weapons and goods and people over the border and the border is rather porous,"

4) Erdogan's relationship with Yasin al-Qadi, a Saudi billionaire who was listed as a "Specially Designated Global Terrorist" by the U.S. Treasury in October 2001 for allegedly funding Osama bin Laden, Hamas, and other terrorist groups.

5) An extensive gas-for-gold scheme involving Iran, which ran from about March 2012 to the fall of 2013 and yielded Iran more than $13 billion dollars amid crippling sanctions implemented by the U.S. over the country's perceived nuclear program.

6) "To add insult to injury, we have the Chinese missile deal ... where the Turks contracted with a Chinese company that's already on [the U.S.] proliferation list. ...""


Business Insider goes into more detail on each of the above at... http://www.businessinsider.com/turkey-s ... gan-2014-1
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Re: 'Turkey Is Not A Banana Republic'

Postby bill cobbett » Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:55 am

Coming on the heels of the temp blocking of Vimeo, some internet users in Turkey are now blocked from accessing youtube.

Zaman reports...

"... The popular video sharing website YouTube has been blocked in Turkey for some Internet users who connect via TurkNet and a number of other servers, the Hürriyet daily reported late on Monday.

Internet users were surprised to see the message “This website has been blocked by court decision” when trying to access YouTube. ..."


http://www.todayszaman.com/news-336531- ... urkey.html
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Re: 'Turkey Is Not A Banana Republic'

Postby B25 » Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:29 am

Billy, It's called silencing the lambs :) Cut them off from the outside world then F them. Typical Turk behaviour.
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Re: 'Turkey Is Not A Banana Republic'

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:09 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Discussion will begin today in the Parliamentary Justice Commission of a bill which, if it becomes law, will bring the Supreme Board of Judges and Prosecutors, the body which supervises the judiciary, under the direct control of the Ministry of Justice, thus striking a serious blow to the independence of the judiciary.


Stefan Füle, European Commissioner for Enlargement and European Neighbourhood, has said that Turkey, as a candidate EU member, must first consult with the EU before the proposed law for changing the structure of the Supreme Board of Judges and Prosecutors is enacted so as to ensure that it complies with EU legislation.

http://www.radikal.com.tr/turkiye/ab_hs ... in-1170624

(Personally, I do not see how this law can fail to be struck down by the Constitutional Court.)


Erdoğan has announced that, if the opposition gives its support, they will withdraw this bill and instead set about amending the constitution.

http://www.radikal.com.tr/politika/siya ... mi-1170777
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Re: 'Turkey Is Not A Banana Republic'

Postby B25 » Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:23 pm

To say what, that only Politicians and their families are authorised to be bent and corrupt :)
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