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[Demonax]

you actually believe that terkey will change her stance and talks will start again.

What happened to your prediction that talks would start in October and there will be a referendum in Spring 2014?

Or was that something you read in the Turkish Press?

[Lordo]

it still holds - by then either we have an agreement or finished. how was i to know your leaders are as thick as you and are prepared to let 37 per cent of cyprus to be given to the terks. they are thankful believe me.

[Demonax]

it still holds - by then either we have an agreement or finished. how was i to know your leaders are as thick as you and are prepared to let 37 per cent of cyprus to be given to the terks. they are thankful believe me.

Oh yes, Barfo. Then Turkey will do what in the Spring exactly? Please let us in on Turkey's master plan for a 'solution' once it doesn't get what it wants on Cyorus and why it hasn't imposed this 'solution' before?

[bill cobbett]

These is the comment the Turkish FM, the Nutty Professor Davutoglu, made in the Occupied Areas yesterday that finally scuttled the chances of a re-start of talks...

(As reported in the Fam Gaz)...

"... Turkish FM Ahmet Davutoglu argued that a joint declaration between the two communities was not as important as the two leaders having the political will to solve this conflict. Furthermore he spoke about a bizonal settlement, “on the basis of an understanding of the sovereignty of the two component states...”

So not content with Two Countries Eroglu's Two Citizenships we now also have Turkey seeking the extremist position of TWO SOVEREIGNTIES ...!!!

[Demonax]

These is the comment the Turkish FM, the Nutty Professor Davutoglu, made in the Occupied Areas yesterday that finally scuttled the chances of a re-start of talks...

(As reported in the Fam Gaz)...

"... Turkish FM Ahmet Davutoglu argued that a joint declaration between the two communities was not as important as the two leaders having the political will to solve this conflict. Furthermore he spoke about a bizonal settlement, “on the basis of an understanding of the sovereignty of the two component states...”

So not content with Two Countries Eroglu's Two Citizenships we now also have Turkey seeking the extremist position of TWO SOVEREIGNTIES ...!!!

Yes, it was Davutoglu's uncompromising backing of Eroglu's insistence on two states that resulted in the Cypriot government's strong statement that they were not prepared to enter talks on these terms.

It seems that the British and the Americans tried to get Davutoglu to press Eroglu to abandon his uncompromising stance, to no avail. Once Davutoglu opened his mouth it was over.

Even if this was some kind of weird Turkish tactical ploy, the damage has been done. No GC will vote for any agreement with Eroglu and the current Turkish leadership. The trust just doesn't exist.

Maybe it's for the best. Eroglu will be gone in a couple of years as will Davutoglu. The Turkish election cycle kicks off next year. Downer won't last beyond January as he has lost the confidence of the GCs - especially after his latest gaffe.

We'll get back to them in 2016 when they might be ready to talk seriously...

[Viewpoint]

So do you really expect the leadership on this side to change to agree to your demands without compromise?

No number of changes in leadership will blindly accept your demands, thats where you are going wrong, you think wrong that we have to dance toy our tune, thank god those days have long gone...the bottom line is you have to compromise.

[repulsewarrior]

...indeed, somewhere i read, "bi-federal", which would imply two federations as though within each one of them there exist Constitutencies of many Nations; Davutoglu should be careful with what he proposes, because for Turkey, Cyprus may prove to be a template for its own reform.

only a Nation of Greeks will win the day, an equal to the Turkish Nation, for the Republic, as a State, to be Free. this notion, being Cypriot, must be defined in a manner where Individual Rights can be represented, where as Individuals, Cypriots are bettering themselves without distinction or discrimination, by defending the Universal Principals that make us Human beings.

...i suggest the "talks" are over, new thinking is needed. and in that regard, i suggest that if there was a Greek Constituency, and others, their need for territorial jurisdiction could be agreed to by themselves as an internal matter. thus the Republic, being Sovereign, (and apart) in this context is able to reform itself, so that as a State, its Government can function in providing for the needs of Cypriots, rather than "Greeks", and those as a minority having the same need to sustain their Identity with the equal Liberty of self-representation.

and if there is a Republic, what is wrong with a Greek Constituency as well?

...pity, because the Turkish press was so hopeful, i had hopes that this time around, the negotiations had come to the same conclusion, it is not a "Greek"/ "Turkish" issue, it is about defining more clearly the meaning of the words: State/Nation, Individual/Person, Freedom/Liberty.

[Demonax]

So do you really expect the leadership on this side to change to agree to your demands without compromise?

No number of changes in leadership will blindly accept your demands, thats where you are going wrong, you think wrong that we have to dance toy our tune, thank god those days have long gone...the bottom line is you have to compromise.

You don't compromise on national sovereignty or citizenship. If TCs want to join us in a European Cyprus, they are welcome. If they don't, then there's no place for them in our country.

Let's talk again in a couple of years...

[Flying Horse]

So do you really expect the leadership on this side to change to agree to your demands without compromise?

No number of changes in leadership will blindly accept your demands, thats where you are going wrong, you think wrong that we have to dance toy our tune, thank god those days have long gone...the bottom line is you have to compromise.

A woman could change all that.....

Every man on both sides has been of a certain generation, certain group, military background etc etc, and carried old boring tactics from previous governments.

When the old wood rots, and new more free thinking people come in, then Cyprus will have her day.

[bill cobbett]

Politis reports on the big news, with a report on a speech by Pres A in Free Kaimakli, who points the finger of blame for the collapse squarely towards Eroglu and Turkey with their outrageous Two Countries Two Sovereignties demands.

Pres A says in a speech today that he is still seeking a settlement for all CYs, one that protects the human rights of all, no matter their language or religion, and asks the international community to turn their attention to the Intransigence of Eroglu/Turkey, the turkish side that not only challenges the Resolutions and Decisions of the United Nations, as well as past agreements, but who also challenge what is non-negotiable to all citizens of CY, the very Sovereignty of CY.

For greek-speakers...

"... Σε ανταπόκριση από πλευράς των Τουρκοκυπρίων δήλωσε ότι ελπίζει ο Πρόεδρος της Δημοκρατίας, Νίκος Αναστασιάδης, προκειμένου να υπάρξει μια διαφοροποίηση από τα όσα έχουμε εισπράξει με τις δηλώσεις του Τούρκου Υπουργού Εξωτερικών, Αχμέτ Νταβούτογλου, κατά τη χθεσινή παράνομη επίσκεψη του στο κατεχόμενο τμήμα της Κύπρου.

Στον επιμνημόσυνο λόγο του, στο εθνικό μνημόσυνο της Κοινότητας Ομορφίτας, στην Εκκλησία Αγίας Βαρβάρας Καϊμακλίου, ο Πρόεδρος Αναστασιάδης τόνισε πως "η λύση της επανένωσης και της διασφάλισης των ανθρώπινων δικαιωμάτων, που επιδιώκουμε, είναι διεκδικήσεις για όλους τους Κυπρίους, Ελληνοκυπρίους και για Τουρκοκυπρίους, όπως και για κάθε νόμιμο Κύπριο, όπου και αν ανήκει, όποια γλώσσα και αν ομιλεί, όποια θρησκεία και αν πιστεύει".

Ο Πρόεδρος Αναστασιάδης κάλεσε τον ΟΗΕ και τα κράτη, που δηλώνουν ότι θέλουν λύση του Κυπριακού, να στρέψουν την προσοχή τους προς την τουρκική πλευρά που αμφισβητεί τα Ψηφίσματα και τις Αποφάσεις των Ηνωμένων Εθνών και τα όσα κατά καιρούς έχουν συμφωνηθεί και "που θέλει να μειώσει αυτό που είναι αδιαπραγμάτευτο για κάθε πολίτη, την κυριαρχία". ..."

More at... http://www.politis-news.com/cgibin/hweb ... V=articles