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[ONURLU_1925]

Hımmm I'm not a Turkish Cypriot, Turkish people from İstanbul, Turkey. However, I want to answer the questions, which are asking to Turkish Cypriots.

-how did the tcs feel about the british rule before the eoka period. conquerors ? protectors?
England was not protectors of Turkish Cypriots. They were protectors of Greek Cypriots. They imposed "Megali İdea" and "Enosis" to Greek Cypriots in schools, in churchs etc. They wanted to create Cyprus ruled by Greece, but the real ruler would have been England. Turkish Cpyriots were under pressure, British&Greek taxes and theri rights were taken from them, before EOKA. England was a reason of EOKA. England supported EOKA, and England aree supporting Greek and North Cyprus lies at present.

-were all eoka members anti-tcs or some did really fought for their freedom?
EOKA did not fight for their freedom, because they had also freedom. Their mission was destroying Turkish population on the island and being the only ruler of Cyprus.

-despite the fact that the general view is that TMT was a responce to EOKA would you support its actions and goals?
EOKA wanted to make genocide on Turkish Cypriots, please remember BLOODY NOEL, they attacked Turkish Cypriots' human rights, living rights... Of course Turkish Cypriots wanted to defend themselves. It was the reason why establishing TMT. Turkish Cypriots weren't be quite against EOKA's carnage.

-if the gc are in a position today to accept that the enosis target of eoka was wrong , could you forgive ?
They could forgive, but they must accept that there are two independence countries on the island, South Cyprus and North Cyprus Turkish Republic. If they accept this, Turkish people and Turkish Cyriots may forgive them.

[Piratis]

They could forgive, but they must accept that there are two independence countries on the island, South Cyprus and North Cyprus Turkish Republic. If they accept this, Turkish people and Turkish Cyriots may forgive them.

Such "forgiveness" we don't need!. Our homeland is not for sale to you. As long as the illegal occupation of our land continues the war will not end.

[ONURLU_1925]

Piratis...

Your homeland? All of the island is your homeland? Did you read the history of Cyprus ?
I agree with you that the war will not end, unless KKTC (Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus) become known by the World.

Turkish military responce is not a illegal occupation. Do you know 1960's constitutional law. Turkey used its guarantor rights. I suppose, you will say that "1960's laws are ridicilous". But I don't know, you know or don'know ECHR decisions.
ECHR is one of the most important supporters the South Cyprus lies, as you know. Turkey say to ECHR, we use 1960's constitutional rights, but ECHR doesn't accept this. However, same ECHR don't accept the independence of KKTC, because they say "this contravenes to 1960 constitution". Is it dilemma or not?

[Piratis]

You believe the Turkish propaganda and not the European Court of Human Rights. And then you say in your signature that Greek Cypriots lie??? If you believe the turkish propaganda of course everybody is lying. The illegal Turkish occupation of Cyprus, the Armenian genocide, the human rights violations in Turkey, the treatment of the Kurds, all of these are lies, and only you knows the truth, right?

Why don't you show me the 1960 constitutional law that says that Turkey had the right to occupy part of Republic Cyprus??? Such thing obviously does not exist. Turkey as a guarantor or the 1960 constitution had the obligation to guarantee the 1960 agreements, not to brake them and illegally occupy RoC.

The declaration of the pseudo "TRNC" obviously is in violation of the 1960 agreements. Except if you believe that there is any country that will allow in its own constitution to be occupied by a foreign power and its own population to be ethnically cleansed. Please think before your post.

[ONURLU_1925]

Please think before post
You don't know anything about Turkey. In Turkey, there is only one rule, if you feel as a Turk, you are Turk. Nobody compel Kurdish people to do something. Everyone is in Turkey, Kurdish, Cerkhez, Muslim or Christian, has freedom. And someone feel you as a Turk, he or she is a Turk, there isn't any force about someone.

And now Armenian Genocide. Did you make a survey about this topic? If you search you can cleary see that there isn't any genocide. Turkey has opened they archives and documents not only public but also military. But Armenia did not open their archives because they know that there is not any genocide on Armenian people.

Human rights violations in Turkey? Please give an example...

There is a propoganda it is Truth! Europe say that Turkey has not democracy, Turkish people has not speaking freedom. But you know that in France nobody can say that "there is not an Armenian genocide", if someone says that, it is crime and he/she will go to the jail. Has the France democracy and speaking freedom?

Europe says Kurdish people has not freedom. Today Kurdish songs play on Turkish national TVs. But 2 years ago in Spain, Athletico Bilbao, the football club in Bask Region, has a sportgears. These sportgears includes the Bask Region Map on it. Spain Government and Football Association banned theese sportgears. Did you know it? Please search! Is that democracy? Has Bask people freedom?

EOKA made genocide on Turkish Cypriots and TRNC prevent someone to do this again. Of course you want to rule the island alone. You want to be the only rulers of the Cyprius. But it is only your dream.

[akiner]

Dear Piratis,
Didnt we solve that Armenian Genocide issue?? While i was asking exact positions of mass-graves those owned 1.5million ppl butchered by us, i dont remember you posted an uncovered reply about it....

So now u are still serving this cold dish as an argument without a proof as its restrain.
Get real dear:D

[ONURLU_1925]

I have a question for you. Athens is the only capital city in Europe, in which hasn't been located any Mosque. Has your country religion freedom? Please come my country as my visitor and see religion freedom. We will go to wherever city and wherever church do you want. Before teaching me the democracy, please learn the democracy.

[Piratis]

My country is Cyprus, and as far as mosques goes we have plenty. In turkey you turned the Orthodox churches into mosques, like Ayia Sofia. This is what you call religion freedom?

Didnt we solve that Armenian Genocide issue??

No. We have the Turkish claims, and then we have the claims of Armenians and many other countries that recognize the Armenian genocide. Now you believe the Turkish propaganda, the same people that claim that what they did in 1974 in Cyprus was a "peace operation". Do you seriously expect us to believe that propaganda though?

[ONURLU_1925]

Piratis...
Of course, you know better than me that how Greece&EOKA did genocide to Turkish Cypriots.

I forgot that your homeland is Southern Cyprus, excuse me.

You know that Ayia Sofia isn't a church, it's a museum and it isn't destroyed, we protect its main architecture. In adition, Mustafa Aga Camii, constructed in 1764 and located in Athens in Placa Square, turned into Greek Art Gallery. Its minarets was also destroyed. Someone in our country can go to the church, but someone in Greece can not. In 2004 Athens olympics, there were many muslim athlets/sportsman. However, there hadn't been any mosque in Athens and they worshipped inthe tents. This is religional freedom difference betwen two countries.

We can cleary see in Turkish archives there isn't any genocide on Armenians. But I konow that you will say "It is Turkish propoganda!", won't say. Now, please answer this question why Armenian Governmen doesn't want to open its own archives? There are also objective historians, who shows 1.5 million Turkish people were killed by Armenian gangs. We can debate on this topic, but our topic is EOKA as you know.

I wonder your opinions about EOKA.

[Leonidas]

Give me a f__ing break
Eoka was the reason we got rid of the British. Now you gonna say the American Revolution was not right either? Grivas was and always will be a hero.

Wan't to blame someone? Look at the one and only one who turned on the revolution and changed the Cyrpus constitution after the independance of Cyprus. THAT is when our troubles started. It was GREED for full power for him. His name: Makarios!!!. The Fidel Castro in the mediteranian.

The reason why the USA does not favor Cyprus. Weird that most Cypriots complain that the USA does not support them when you never supported them in ANY situation.

Argue all you want. Makarios was the root of the problem.

Want to change the way the USA looks at Cyprus. Then STOP your bitching and show some support.

Maybe then, you may see a solution there.