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[MrH]

IF...

1. The UK was able to swim across the entire Atlantic ocean and CLAIM the Falkland islands.
2. Northern Ireland is a Part of the UK and NOT the Republic of Ireland.
3. The F.Y.R of Macedonia is a Republic State Against ALL Greek wishes.
4. Scotland will soon be an Independent state.
5. China, regardless of its Humanitarian record, still allows Taiwan to Trade directly even though it is in dispute with the state.
6. Gibraltar is a Part of the UK against all Spanish wishes.
7. The UK can still maintain TWO sovereign MILITARY States in the GC-lead Republic of Cyprus against the wishes of the wishes of the Greek Cypriots and their amended (from the original) Cyprus Republic.
8. Kosovo is now an independent state even after a mountain of Greek and Greek Cypriot objections.
9. And The Former Yugoslavia was divided into FIVE Republic states after their Failed Federation, and after many years of objection from its own leaders as well as the UN, EU (EEC at the time) and GREECE!

THEN.......the TRNC's Recognition is only a stone throw away, if it hasn't Practically happened already!

AGREE? No! Then, prove what I have listed above is untrue!

[B25]

IF...

1. The UK was able to swim across the entire Atlantic ocean and CLAIM the Falkland islands.
2. Northern Ireland is a Part of the UK and NOT the Republic of Ireland.
3. The F.Y.R of Macedonia is a Republic State Against ALL Greek wishes.
4. Scotland will soon be an Independent state.
5. China, regardless of its Humanitarian record, still allows Taiwan to Trade directly even though it is in dispute with the state.
6. Gibraltar is a Part of the UK against all Spanish wishes.
7. The UK can still maintain TWO sovereign MILITARY States in the GC-lead Republic of Cyprus against the wishes of the wishes of the Greek Cypriots and their amended (from the original) Cyprus Republic.
8. Kosovo is now an independent state even after a mountain of Greek and Greek Cypriot objections.
9. And The Former Yugoslavia was divided into FIVE Republic states after their Failed Federation, and after many years of objection from its own leaders as well as the UN, EU (EEC at the time) and GREECE!

THEN.......the TRNC's Recognition is only a stone throw away, if it hasn't Practically happened already!

AGREE? No! Then, prove what I have listed above is untrue!

Nonsense, none of those places listed above invaded, and occupied someone else's lands, that's why. In contrast the Turks did just that. How hard can it be?

[Flying Horse]

Oh I dunno B25, Scotlands got a great big wall there for a reason. All be it derelict now and just there for tourists these days

I'm not sure the Scots will be an independent state any time soon though.

[MrH]

B25, that's not what I was saying. Turkey is NOT "Occupying" the TRNC. It's there under the Invitation of the Turkish Cypriot Administration UNTIL a COMPREHENSIVE deal is brokered between the two founding Greek and Turkish Cypriot people. You should know that - it's FACT! Why? Because the events prior to, and after the failed Annan Plan made sure that the world understood it. Also, if Turkey were truly so-called Occupying so-called Northern Cyprus territory of the GC-ROC (in a matter of words), why is it that the UN has not built a large force against it together with the larger countries and forced them out as OPPOSED to compelling the Greek and Turkish Cypriot leaders around a table? Please think about what you actually say B25 before showing everyone who you really are, how you truly think and what your intentions are. That is why a Unitary Cyprus deal is impossible with people like you, and that is why Turkey will not only remain on the island, but has now replaced the pure Fabric of Turkish Cypriot society. In other words, we are one and alike, the same people now after years of time wasting tactics by the Greek Cypriots, including their last - the Rejection of the Annan Plan.

[B25]

B25, that's not what I was saying. Turkey is NOT "Occupying" the TRNC. It's there under the Invitation of the Turkish Cypriot Administration UNTIL a COMPREHENSIVE deal is brokered between the two founding Greek and Turkish Cypriot people. You should know that - it's FACT! Why? Because the events prior to, and after the failed Annan Plan made sure that the world understood it. Also, if Turkey were truly so-called Occupying so-called Northern Cyprus territory of the GC-ROC (in a matter of words), why is it that the UN has not built a large force against it together with the larger countries and forced them out as OPPOSED to compelling the Greek and Turkish Cypriot leaders around a table? Please think about what you actually say B25 before showing everyone who you really are, how you truly think and what your intentions are. That is why a Unitary Cyprus deal is impossible with people like you, and that is why Turkey will not only remain on the island, but has now replaced the pure Fabric of Turkish Cypriot society. In other words, we are one and alike, the same people now after years of time wasting tactics by the Greek Cypriots, including their last - the Rejection of the Annan Plan.

Complete nonsense, I can't even be arsed to break down this crap and answer you. You just put a spin on everything. '2 founding peoples' what a crock of shit, no such thing, as for the other bits, well you are there, because the turkish cock suckers in the US/UK want you there so they can maintain control. Turkey is just a vicious dog on the US lead. Don't get your hopes up. As for the UN, well I have always said they are a waste of skin a corrupt organ not fit for purpose. Ok, and the next joker please.

[Get Real!]

AGREE? No! Then, prove what I have listed above is untrue!

Which of the above "examples" had a UN resolution issued against it that said fuck off?

[bill cobbett]

More likely is that Turkey will again Recognise the Republic of CY ... according to a survey in todayszaman, 56% of those polled in Turkey would view that as a positive move...

"... One of the other striking findings of the poll is that 56 percent of the respondents positively view Turkey's recognition of "Greek" Cyprus, indicating a change of perception among people in Turkey. The finding comes as a surprise as the official Turkish stance is firmly against any move to recognize "Greek" Cyprus without a viable solution that contains political reunification of the island..."

... and only 25% support the Nutty Professor Davutoglu's foreign policy mess.

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-333176- ... veals.html

[Lordo]

since when has terkish government listen to the polls or elections. do you not realise who is in power in terkey. it aint the presdient or prime minister.

[Demonax]

More likely is that Turkey will again Recognise the Republic of CY ... according to a survey in todayszaman, 56% of those polled in Turkey would view that as a positive move...

"... One of the other striking findings of the poll is that 56 percent of the respondents positively view Turkey's recognition of "Greek" Cyprus, indicating a change of perception among people in Turkey. The finding comes as a surprise as the official Turkish stance is firmly against any move to recognize "Greek" Cyprus without a viable solution that contains political reunification of the island..."

... and only 25% support the Nutty Professor Davutoglu's foreign policy mess.

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-333176- ... veals.html

So the majority of Turks would choose to recognise the ROC even without a solution!

So much for for Mr. H's thesis!

Unfortunately what Mr. H overlooks is that the 'trnc' has been illegally established on 80 per cent Greek Cypriot land which makes any form of recognition impossible. I thought that was pretty clear by now.

[Demonax]

8. Kosovo is now an independent state even after a mountain of Greek and Greek Cypriot objections.
AGREE? No! Then, prove what I have listed above is untrue!

Okay then. Here is why the 'trnc' will NEVER be recognised. Of your stated examples I will use the case of Kosovo. Unfortunately for the ‘trnc’ in relation to Kosovo, the prospects are not good. As James Ker-Lindsay says:

Unlike the Kosovo UDI, the Turkish Cypriot declaration of independence was formally condemned by the United Nations Security Council (Resolution 541), which has called on countries not to recognise the TRNC. Similarly, even the International Court of Justice (ICJ) advisory opinion on Kosovo, in July 2010, reaffirmed that the Turkish Cypriot declaration of independence was contrary to international law.

Further, Cyprus has recently established contacts with Kosovo and is even considering recognising it. This is for two reasons: firstly by recognising Kosovo, Cyprus is expressing confidence that there is no connection between the situation of the Turkish-occupied north and Kosovo. And secondly, Cyprus would receive international ‘payback’ for establishing relations with Kosovo: a Cyprus solution nearer to its terms.

You see, Mr. H, just how far out of the loop you are.

See the thread here: cyprus41484.html

Article here: There is a good case to be made for Cyprus pressing ahead with full recognition of Kosovo’s independence