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Re: BBF deal, will it happen?

Postby boulio » Thu Dec 05, 2013 5:19 pm

erolz66 wrote:
boulio wrote: joining the eu and nato fall under which category in your theory?


For me these would fall into the category of effecting both communities the same.

For examples of issues that would effect them differently and thus require separate consent of each, well the big historic one would be enosis. To give a more contemporary possible example imagine a proposal to put limits on external foreign investment from non EU countries. Further imagine that GC businesses get 85% of current foreign investment from EU countries but TC businesses get 70% plus from Turkey. Thus this proposal would affect the TC community in very different degree to how it effects the GC community and thus should require separate consent of each community. The hope would be not that the proposal is simply vetoed by the TC community but that some compromise could be reached , say by including investment from Turkey as if it were an EU member state. This is just an hypothetical example. In many ways you could define what is an issue that affects the communities differently by to what degree how someone supports or does not a proposal is linked to what community they are from. If 'supporters' and non 'supporters' are spread equally or roughly equally amongst each community then it is one that affects them equally. Conversely if support or non support for a proposal is defined largely by which community you are in then that shows that it affects one community differently from the other.

i think enosis with either greece and turkey would be ruled out in a solution anyway.i would assume most social issues such as education,language,religion and culture would fall under seperate voting structures for the communities.
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Re: BBF deal, will it happen?

Postby erolz66 » Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:01 am

boulio wrote:
i think enosis with either greece and turkey would be ruled out in a solution anyway.i would assume most social issues such as education,language,religion and culture would fall under seperate voting structures for the communities.


For me a system that embodies the 'principal' that neither community should be able to impose something on the other, against its will, if it effects that community differently from the other is far more preferable than trying to ban specific acts and pre define areas that are controlled 'separately'. Not everything under 'education, language, religion and culture' necessarily effects each community differently and not everything outside these categories does not. At one level what I really want is the tacit acceptance that it was just wrong to try an force TC to have to accept enosis against their will as a community and with no regard for their will as a community. Such an acceptance would make it vastly easier for me as a TC to accept, trust and believe in a unitary state going forward.
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