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[MrH]

I find it hilarious how all parties concerned with the Cyprus Negotiations process can expect a Comprehensive agreement with Turkey out of the EU. Let's put it in simple terms for those who need a reality check on Turkey and the Cyprus Question. Cyprus (the GC-ROC side) is a FULL EU Member, so is Greece, while Turkey is not. What does that mean? Well, mildly put, it means that the Cyprus negotiations for a FEDERAL or even a CONFEDERAL structure is impossible - legally speaking, as Turkey is not a member of a Union with which Cyprus and Greece is, a kind of reverse to what our original Cyprus Constitution dictated which said that Cyprus can not join any union without Greece or Turkey being a part of it first. As Turkey is well aware of this scenario, a Cyprus Agreement other than a VELVET SPLIT is completely out of the question. I believe seeing our former President, Mr Talat, being the Liberal Socialist as he is and was, fail in his stealth attempts in agreeing to all of the Greek Cypriot demands for a unified Cyprus with no inner states or derogation's, SHOULD have painted the message clearly for both the UN and Greek Cypriots - although the UN actually know this and are really waiting for the Greek Cypriots to wake up from their short-lived EU Euphoria.

AGREE? Or Will the Greek Cypriots in this forum tell me that Cyprus will be UNIFIED (as it was never to be REUNIFIED as there was never such a UNIFICATION scenario in the first place!).

[Demonax]

Cyprus (the GC-ROC side) is a FULL EU Member, so is Greece, while Turkey is not. What does that mean?

It means without a Cyprus agreement, there is no EU-Turkey accession.

Haven’t you learned anything after all this time?

[MrH]

NO! It means that Cyprus being in the EU has killed off any such agreement.....come on mate!

Think about it, if what you are saying is even remotely true in any way then the Cyprus issue would have been resolved many years ago! Turkey's EU application is not moving forwards because Turkey NO LONGER wants to be a member of a club that's run solely by Germany and France and NOT the Cyprus issue alone - Period!

For the detriment of Cyprus, Turkey will NEVER be a FULL EU Member state, therefore the Cyprus issue has only one resolution and that's a Velvet Split. Cyprus (the GC-Side) thinking that it has a Trump card for EU entry against Turkey is not only laughable but a little pathetic and ignorant to even think that the Cyprus issue alone could ever hold up Turkey. alos, in case you didn't know, both Turkey and Greece were actually offered EU entry at the same time in 1978 but Turkey refused it - but of course you already knew that. Thank your chickens that it's Erdogan in Charge as when the CHP Party of Turkey take rule again in the future, the Cyprus issue will be completed in a month! The UN know this, and so does the EU.


Please don't be an uneducated Greek Cypriot and understand real Cyprus politics....where have you been since 1963?

[Demonax]

Turkey's EU application is not moving forwards because Turkey NO LONGER wants to be a member of a club that's run solely by Germany and France - Period!

Then please do us a favour and withdraw your EU application. And stop pestering us about opening EU chapters!

[MrH]

That obviously will not happen as it's a political/economic decision which the EU can not current afford. Plus, Turkey is too important to NATO and the U.S for the U.S to allow such a thing. The East-West scenario of Today is completely different as compared to the 1980s and 90s even - just look at how much the U.S is up in arms over Turkey selecting the Chinese long range defense system instead of theirs! The U.S will always keep Turkey in the EU-Loop! As for Cyprus, it'll be the Greek Cypriot who will loose when the TRNC has a Turkish mainland population of over 1million people - which its nearing.

[Demonax]

That obviously will not happen as it's a political/economic decision which the EU can not current afford. Plus, Turkey is too important to NATO and the U.S for the U.S to allow such a thing. The East-West scenario of Today is completely different as compared to the 1980s and 90s even - just look at how much the U.S is up in arms over Turkey selecting the Chinese long range defense system instead of theirs! The U.S will always keep Turkey in the EU-Loop! As for Cyprus, it'll be the Greek Cypriot who will loose when the TRNC has a Turkish mainland population of over 1million people - which its nearing.

What are you on about? First you say Turkey doesn't want to join the EU. Now you say Turkey is compelled to join the EU for strategic and economic reasons!

As for Cyprus, please tell us how close to ‘one million’ settlers there are in the occupied areas! And what they are all doing up there? Eating grass?

[MrH]

Demonax, I don't mean to patronise you mate but there are a few issues here. Turkey being even linked to the EU is more of a geographical, U.S wanting Turkey in the loop and Economics and political role play as opposed to Turkey Wanting EU entry. If it were up to Turkey, they would form a union with their ex-Soviet Turkic states tomorrow and forget about the EU, but it's not that simple as I am sure you will agree.

I have read Turkey's non-progress report, year after year, and to be honest, and many others will tell you, it's more or less the same result until Turkey becomes a country more populated with Christian Turks as oppose to Muslim Turks. The progress report is therefore just a service the EU must outline only in penciled words.

As for Cyprus, the true so-called Turkish "Settlers" population as you would put it is in the region of "568'000 to 589'000" according to an unconfirmed former member of the KADEM team, therefore leaving the remaining 80'000 as being Turkish Cypriot. It's a little alarming I know, but its the fault of both the Greek Cypriots, Turkish Cypriots and Turkey's ultimate plan of pure Turkishification of the entire island. Mark my words that one day Turkey will agree to a "Pure Unification" deal with the Greek Cypriots and call their bluff, but by then the Turkish population and influence on the island will be so high as it will be impossible to reverse. Why do you think the former Clerides after his Presidency advised his political peers to accept the recognition of the TRNC as it'll be a lesser evil than the alternative?

[Demonax]

Turkey being even linked to the EU is more of a geographical, U.S wanting Turkey in the loop and Economics and political role play as opposed to What Turkey wants. If it were up to Turkey, they would form a union with their ex-Soviet Turkic states tomorrow and forget about the EU, but it's not that simple as I am sure you will agree.

I see now, Mr. H. Turkey is being forced to join the EU against its will and its own interests which lie with a bunch of ex-Soviet Turkic states?

As for Cyprus, the true so-called Turkish "Settlers" population as you would put it is in the region of "568'000 to 589'000" according to an unconfirmed former member of the KADEM team...

So this is an unconfirmed number which you have inflated to 'one million'?

[MrH]

(1) Turkey is just playing the EU game here Demonax, and you know it. Turkey knows it will never become a FULL EU member, which I know it does not want anyway due to its sensitivities and demands as well as the EU system not really fitting in Turkey's future ambitions of ASIA cooperation, Middle eastern projects and its Turkic Natural resources project. I can guarantee you that if the EU were to hand Turkey automatic membership (like it did in 1978 - I remember that!) Turkey would Stall it and eventually accept only a "privileged" membership scenario - like Norway!

(2) No! I know that's the correct population...trust me on that one!

Good luck in solving the Cyprus Embroglio!

[Demonax]

(1) Turkey is just playing the EU game here Demonax, and you know it.

Yes, but playing that game means making some sort of 'progress' not being stuck going nowhere. Let's face it – the game is up.

(2) No! I know that's the correct population...trust me on that one!

That figure is made-up nonsense. The economy in the occupied areas can barely sustain a population of 200,000 let alone one million.