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From "The Voice of Coloured Labour" edited by George Padmore

Postby tsukoui » Sun Dec 01, 2013 9:14 pm

An interesting historical quote from 1945...

Mr. A. Ziartides: Mr. President and Comrades, I bring greetings to the Conference from the Cyprus Trade Unions and the Cypriot working class. The Cyprus delegation is in general agreement with what Sir Walter Citrine said on the punishment of aggressor nations and particularly Nazi Germany and Imperialist Japan. Fascism must be utterly destroyed from the face of the earth. The forces capable of accomplishing this task are the united formations of the millions of organised workers. The Conference is the Brains Trust and the General Staff of the International Trade Union Movement. As such we bear a heavy responsibility. Our deliberations must lay the foundations of the new world, but a world in which the working class, all over the globe, will have the right to work and live in freedom and social justice. To fulfil this task, international trade union unity is absolutely essential. It must be a unity built on solid foundations, on the recognition of the right of all workers, whatever their nationality, to enjoy the fruits of their labour in a world of real freedom. This new world must have no room for oppressors and colonial subjugation, for as long as there are oppressors and oppressed there can be no peace, no social justice, and no freedom. You, the representatives of the working people of independent nations, must feel it your sacred duty to see to it that we Colonial peoples break our chains and join you as free nations. We desire that the principles of the Atlantic and the Teheran Declarations be applied, and that Cyprus be nationally rehabilitated and united with our Motherland, Greece. This is the wish of the entire Greek population of Cyprus which means five-sixths of the people. We also demand that elementary civil liberties-freedom of speech, of the press, of organisation and of assembly-be restored to Cyprus immediately.

It may surprise you to hear that Cyprus, a small island of 400,000 people, has 20,000 soldiers serving in the armies of world democracy; and yet in Cyprus today no more than five persons are allowed to congregate without permission from the Authorities. Such permission is refused when the Government knows that criticism may be levelled against it. The Cyprus press cannot publish news received from the Soviet, American, French, and other radios; we are limited to news from the B.B.C. and the Cairo Broadcasting System. Is this deserving of a people who have given of their best in this anti-Fascist war? To many of you Cyprus may seem unimportant, but when Rommel was knocking at the doors of Alexandria, Cyprus was turned into a fortress and a bastion, barring the Nazi drive to the Middle East. We are a small country, but our contribution to the anti-Nazi cause is proportionately as great as that of any of the United Nations. We fought well and deserve well.

Being Greek, I consider it my duty to say a few words on Greece. I would have preferred that the accredited representatives of the Greek Trade Union Movement had been here to speak to you. Time will tell who has been right in Greece. The ordinary men and women in Greece, the people who resisted the invaders for three and a half years, are right. E.L.A.S. – those four letters have been forged in the blood and sacrifice of the Greek people in their epic struggle for freedom. Under this slogan, “Liberty or Death,” they fought three invaders and finally conquered. I declare it is a crime against all we have been fighting for in this war when the first people to be tried and sentenced to death in Athens today are not the collaborationists and Quislings but the heroic anti-Nazi fighters of the E.L.AS., the National People’s Army. Ten minutes’ walk from this hall Greek seamen, trade unionists, that body of men who have braved the U-boat war all these years, are being tried by the Greek Maritime Court at this moment. For what? For organising Trade Union committees on their ships. Is that democracy and freedom?

In conclusion, let me say this. To build a sound and permanent peace, Fascism and reaction, under whatever guise, must be completely destroyed. The root causes of war, vested interests and imperialism, must be crushed by the united forces of the international working-class. The trade unions are the heavy artillery of the Labour Movement. Let them speak up.


http://www.marxists.org/archive/padmore/1945/labour-congress/ch01.htm
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Re: From "The Voice of Coloured Labour" edited by George Pad

Postby kurupetos » Sun Dec 01, 2013 10:25 pm

'marxists.org' :shock: Are you for real tsukoui? :lol:
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Re: From "The Voice of Coloured Labour" edited by George Pad

Postby tsukoui » Sun Dec 01, 2013 10:35 pm

kurupetos wrote:'marxists.org' :shock: Are you for real tsukoui? :lol:


Marx had a much better way of understanding the world than your crackpot conspiracy theories kuru, but let's indulge you, the following from one of the Tavistock lot:

Schools: Keep the young public ignorant of real mathematics, real economics, real law, and real history.


http://freedom-school.com/silent-weapons-for-a-quiet-war.html

I've already posted how markets are efficient if and only if P = NP, but it looks like you are included in the young ignorant public.
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Re: From "The Voice of Coloured Labour" edited by George Pad

Postby kurupetos » Sun Dec 01, 2013 10:50 pm

tsukoui wrote:
kurupetos wrote:'marxists.org' :shock: Are you for real tsukoui? :lol:


Marx had a much better way of understanding the world than your crackpot conspiracy theories kuru, but let's indulge you, the following from one of the Tavistock lot:

Schools: Keep the young public ignorant of real mathematics, real economics, real law, and real history.


http://freedom-school.com/silent-weapons-for-a-quiet-war.html

I've already posted how markets are efficient if and only if P = NP, but it looks like you are included in the young ignorant public.

:? What's this shite, boy? Tavistock? :lol:

Nevermind, I had my laughs, after reading this...
Mayer Amschel Rothschild


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Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Dec 01, 2013 10:51 pm

Tsukoui ... do you realise you will never gain your Ph.D. if you continue to exclude interested parties from engaging in your thought processes by using jargon and trying to show-off with a register that is deliberately exclusive so that it draws a blank with the average person?
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Re: From "The Voice of Coloured Labour" edited by George Pad

Postby tsukoui » Sun Dec 01, 2013 11:03 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Tsukoui ... do you realise you will never gain your Ph.D. if you continue to exclude interested parties from engaging in your thought processes by using jargon and trying to show-off with a register that is deliberately exclusive so that it draws a blank with the average person?


It's funny because that's what I used to think when I was studying :lol: Anyway, real "Greeks" should be happy with mathematics or are you of the school of thought that believes the Europeans corrupted our ancient art?
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Re: From "The Voice of Coloured Labour" edited by George Pad

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Dec 01, 2013 11:05 pm

tsukoui wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Tsukoui ... do you realise you will never gain your Ph.D. if you continue to exclude interested parties from engaging in your thought processes by using jargon and trying to show-off with a register that is deliberately exclusive so that it draws a blank with the average person?


It's funny because that's what I used to think when I was studying :lol: Anyway, real "Greeks" should be happy with mathematics or are you of the school of thought that believes the Europeans corrupted our ancient art?


Have you stopped studying?

In order for Europeans to corrupt our ancient art, first they have to understand it .... :wink:
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Re: From "The Voice of Coloured Labour" edited by George Pad

Postby tsukoui » Sun Dec 01, 2013 11:23 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Have you stopped studying?


More and more I find myself exploring metaphysics which was never far from the attention of the mathematicians of old. So I'm not really a marxist, at least not completely.
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Re: From "The Voice of Coloured Labour" edited by George Pad

Postby kurupetos » Mon Dec 02, 2013 12:35 am

tsukoui wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Have you stopped studying?


More and more I find myself exploring metaphysics which was never far from the attention of the mathematicians of old. So I'm not really a marxist, at least not completely.

Metaphysics? :shock: Skip Aristotle's Metaphysics, because you could be disappointed...

Therefore the possession rather than the receptivity is the divine element which thought seems to contain, and the act of contemplation is what is most pleasant and best. If, then, God is always in that good state in which we sometimes are, this compels our wonder; and if in a better this compels it yet more. And God is in a better state. And life also belongs to God; for the actuality of thought is life, and God is that actuality; and God's self-dependent actuality is life most good and eternal. We say therefore that God is a living being, eternal, most good, so that life and duration continuous and eternal belong to God; for this is God.


http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/metaphysics.12.xii.html
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Re: From "The Voice of Coloured Labour" edited by George Pad

Postby tsukoui » Mon Dec 02, 2013 12:59 am

kurupetos wrote:
tsukoui wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Have you stopped studying?


More and more I find myself exploring metaphysics which was never far from the attention of the mathematicians of old. So I'm not really a marxist, at least not completely.

Metaphysics? :shock: Skip Aristotle's Metaphysics, because you could be disappointed...

Therefore the possession rather than the receptivity is the divine element which thought seems to contain, and the act of contemplation is what is most pleasant and best. If, then, God is always in that good state in which we sometimes are, this compels our wonder; and if in a better this compels it yet more. And God is in a better state. And life also belongs to God; for the actuality of thought is life, and God is that actuality; and God's self-dependent actuality is life most good and eternal. We say therefore that God is a living being, eternal, most good, so that life and duration continuous and eternal belong to God; for this is God.


http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/metaphysics.12.xii.html


There is nothing but God's Will.

This is the only logical conclusion from an infinite absolute.

It annihilates everything.

Everything you do is God's will.

There is no self.

Just God.

This is the power of infinite absolutes.

This is the real mystical experience.

It cannot be understood.

Yet how can one recover from total annihilation.

One invents the devil.

The devil goes against God's Will.

But how if everything is God's will?

The devil is doing God's will as well.

Thus God is at once the synthesis and the contradiction.

Again annihilation.

One proposes free will.

The devil is exercising free will in going against God.

We strive to exercise our free will to be in concurrence with God's will.

Freedom, another absolute infinite.

Two absolute infinities in dialectic.

Yin and yang.
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