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[GreekIslandGirl]

No, no, no. Once again you are being disingenuous, pretending you don't understand what is truly being asked. I'm not talking about lexical mention of "the north" (and in particular as a separate entity from the rest of Cyprus). But ACTUAL balanced treatment of where and how they are caught in the north. The alarmist, sensationalist statistics you have been repeating as occurring under the RoC's watch. For example, you were expounding on figures of 1.5 Million being caught in the SBAs by Cypriots (which can only mean of the "RoC variety"). What studies have you done in the north and how many are caught? None? Or more than 1.5 Million? Or you don't really know or care to tell us?

If you are not as stupid as you like to fall back on, as a defence, you will also know in what way cock-fighting is akin to trapping birds (illegal, but people still do it) - but I don't believe you are stupid. I just think you are a powerful wordsmith who knows full way you are politicizing the issue of bird trapping and the subaltern has demonstrated brilliantly exactly how! Your politics is very clever. Joining forces with other enemies of Cyprus.

Now, be honest and admit you are out to show 'Turks in the occupied north' are well-behaved and not like the barbarians of the RoC ... (same old, same old tactics used by TCs since Britain "only" gave them a loudhailer with a veto, knowing they wanted half the country ...)

[Sotos]

Globally Cyprus is recognised as being CYPRIOT.

Cypriot AND Greek. Even in Turkish newspapers they always talk about "Greek Cyprus". Without much effort you can find out that Greek Cyprus is the country which is recognized globally.

[Sotos]

First of all the talk about caring for animals is bullshit because globally humans intentionally kill billions of animals every year. The only possible issue is about "endangered species" but species constantly go extinct since the beginning... so I am not convinced that this is such a huge issue as some would have us believe. But even if we say that this is a problem, like every problem it has a priority. Having a big pimple in the middle of the forehead might be a huge problem for some people who have no other major problems... but it will not be so important for somebody who has a life threatening cancer. In Cyprus we have far greater problems and so this issue is naturally not one of our priorities. And those who create to us the major problems are the last ones who can complain about us not dealing with the minor issues.

[Paphitis]

No, no, no. Once again you are being disingenuous, pretending you don't understand what is truly being asked. I'm not talking about lexical mention of "the north" (and in particular as a separate entity from the rest of Cyprus). But ACTUAL balanced treatment of where and how they are caught in the north. The alarmist, sensationalist statistics you have been repeating as occurring under the RoC's watch. For example, you were expounding on figures of 1.5 Million being caught in the SBAs by Cypriots (which can only mean of the "RoC variety"). What studies have you done in the north and how many are caught? None? Or more than 1.5 Million? Or you don't really know or care to tell us?

If you are not as stupid as you like to fall back on, as a defence, you will also know in what way cock-fighting is akin to trapping birds (illegal, but people still do it) - but I don't believe you are stupid. I just think you are a powerful wordsmith who knows full way you are politicizing the issue of bird trapping and the subaltern has demonstrated brilliantly exactly how! Your politics is very clever. Joining forces with other enemies of Cyprus.

Now, be honest and admit you are out to show 'Turks in the occupied north' are well-behaved and not like the barbarians of the RoC ... (same old, same old tactics used by TCs since Britain "only" gave them a loudhailer with a veto, knowing they wanted half the country ...)

Bird Trapping of Ambellopoulia, is classified as a Cypriot tradition going back some centuries. By that it means that this traditional form of Cypriot dish and way of "hunting" transcends both GC and TC. It occurs in occupied Cyprus and it still occurs in RoC controlled areas as well the the SBAs.

The statistics would be for the entire island. By this I mean occupied areas, SBAs and RoC controlled areas. For the conservationists, this issue is not political. It is ecological and those responsible for the statistics would mostly be Cypriot or GC. They would invariably be spearheaded by the GCs so the statistics could focus on RoC controlled areas and SBAs. Naturally, there would be some TCs in the occupied areas, some Brits in the SBAs and even some Russians that are active.

It's a bit like Japanese Whaling which is naturally a lot more worse. The practice does not disgrace the Japanese Race in my opinion, but more so the Antarctic Nations who are unwilling to enforce their Economic Zones and do something constructive by stopping the Japanese Government from killing Whales.

[erolz66]

No, no, no. Once again you are being disingenuous, pretending you don't understand what is truly being asked.

I claimed I had explicitly referred to this issue as applying to the whole of Cyprus , north and south. You said you could not see any evidence that I had done so. I have shown you the evidence, that was already there anyway.

I'm not talking about lexical mention of "the north" (and in particular as a separate entity from the rest of Cyprus). But ACTUAL balanced treatment of where and how they are caught in the north. The alarmist, sensationalist statistics you have been repeating as occurring under the RoC's watch. For example, you were expounding on figures of 1.5 Million being caught in the SBAs by Cypriots (which can only mean of the "RoC variety"). What studies have you done in the north and how many are caught? None? Or more than 1.5 Million? Or you don't really know or care to tell us?

Look your agenda is to distract from the real issue. You want to make this a north and south thing as part of that agenda. I do not. The problem exists throughout all of Cyprus. It is that simple. I have said it over and over and yet you continue to try and make out I am trying to blacken the name of GC and the RoC only - despite all evidence to the contrary. I will not play your silly distraction game. The issue is real. The damage done is real. Improvement (in the south in the north on the SBA's) could be simple and easy and cheap and this potential improvement in the situation is undermined by exactly the kind of pig headed denial , distraction and distortion you display here. You do not care if by your actions you make the chances of entire species going extinct higher for future generations, you only care about your propaganda war.

I just think you are a powerful wordsmith who knows full way you are politicizing the issue of bird trapping and the subaltern has demonstrated brilliantly exactly how! Your politics is very clever. Joining forces with other enemies of Cyprus.

I am not a powerful wordsmith. What 'power' I may have is down to the fact that I speak honestly and openly and with the support of evidence. Just as your 'weakness' is down to the fact that you distort and distract and deny and seek to ignore all evidence. I joined forces with 'Bird Life Cyprus' - that you can call them an 'enemy of Cyprus' just shows how far your extremism runs.

Now, be honest and admit you are out to show 'Turks in the occupied north' are well-behaved and not like the barbarians of the RoC ...

Again you just show how ridiculous your claim is. According to you I seek to show the above by explicitly stating over and over and over again that this issue applies to all of Cyprus and all Cypriots, north and south. Fuckwit.

[erolz66]

Having a big pimple in the middle of the forehead might be a huge problem for some people who have no other major problems... but it will not be so important for somebody who has a life threatening cancer. In Cyprus we have far greater problems and so this issue is naturally not one of our priorities.

A pimple can be simply removed. Cancer can not. To say then that because cancer can not be easily removed, we should not only not remove the pimple, we should in fact try and argue that the pimple does not exist at all and those that say it does and provide evidence it does must be hounded and called 'enemies of cyprus'. This is the madness you propose and support and GiG and subaltern are implementing with such vehemence in this thread. No wonder we are in such a fucking mess on some many issues and fronts when this is the mentality shown and used. Fuckwit.

[Sotos]

Having a big pimple in the middle of the forehead might be a huge problem for some people who have no other major problems... but it will not be so important for somebody who has a life threatening cancer. In Cyprus we have far greater problems and so this issue is naturally not one of our priorities.

A pimple can be simply removed. Cancer can not. To say then that because cancer can not be easily removed, we should not only not remove the pimple, we should in fact try and argue that the pimple does not exist at all and those that say it does and provide evidence it does must be hounded and called 'enemies of cyprus'. This is the madness you propose and support and GiG and subaltern are implementing with such vehemence in this thread. No wonder we are in such a fucking mess on some many issues and fronts when this is the mentality shown and used. Fuckwit.

Cancers can be cured sometimes but the chances are reduced if you waste your time with insignificant issues. The enemy of Cyprus is the cancer. Now the cancer is pointing to a pimple and saying "hey... look at what huge problem you got there mate!"

[Paphitis]

Having a big pimple in the middle of the forehead might be a huge problem for some people who have no other major problems... but it will not be so important for somebody who has a life threatening cancer. In Cyprus we have far greater problems and so this issue is naturally not one of our priorities.

A pimple can be simply removed. Cancer can not. To say then that because cancer can not be easily removed, we should not only not remove the pimple, we should in fact try and argue that the pimple does not exist at all and those that say it does and provide evidence it does must be hounded and called 'enemies of cyprus'. This is the madness you propose and support and GiG and subaltern are implementing with such vehemence in this thread. No wonder we are in such a fucking mess on some many issues and fronts when this is the mentality shown and used. Fuckwit.

Cancers can be cured sometimes but the chances are reduced if you waste your time with insignificant issues. The enemy of Cyprus is the cancer. Now the cancer is pointing to a pimple and saying "hey... look at what huge problem you got there mate!"

Every country has bigger problems but unfortunately for all of us, green and ecological issues are things which will endanger the very existence of humanity on this planet, and that makes things like this a massive issue.

I do not belittle the Cyprus Problem, but things like this are a massive issue not just for Cyprus.

[erolz66]

Cancers can be cured sometimes but the chances are reduced if you waste your time with insignificant issues. The enemy of Cyprus is the cancer. Now the cancer is pointing to a pimple and saying "hey... look at what huge problem you got there mate!"

You can call me a cancer, blame me for the situation Cyprus is in today (whilst accepting no blame yourself) and it does not change the FACTS one bit. Illegal bird trapping as practiced in Cyprus today does real material damage to a number of endangered species and it is unnecessary an needless and could be pretty much stopped with a simple change in attitudes. That you would rather deny , distort and distract from this simple truth is your choice. I hope when as yet unborn Cypriots ask why such and such a species no longer exists and they and all them that come after will never get to see such species, you will answer honestly and say 'because when I could have done something easy and simple myself I chose to play politics and propaganda instead'.

Just listen to what you are actually saying. What you are actually saying is that a change in attitude by the mainstream of Cypriots in regards to illegal bird trapping and the damage it does might stop us solving the Cyprus problem, so lets not bother at all about it. Fuckwit.

[miltiades]

I second that !