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[Get Real!]

Who is this Elroz person you keep referring to ?

Voltage distribution panelists?

http://www.elroz.cz/

[Milo]

https://www.facebook.com/argossanctuary

More cruelty uncovered by Argos animal sanctuary, starving dogs found eating a dead one, the owner wants to know how he can get his dogs back, now they've been taken off him.....

Good stories also of dogs being found new homes off the island, as animal lovers on the island already have rehomed too many themselves..

[The subaltern]

It is a rather long exposition against the propaganda against the Cypriot society by foreigners and should be read in conjunction with the rest of my posts.


In an article on the 23 December 2009 The Guardian news paper asked: “Who killed the cock robin? The hungry Cypriots did in annual slaughter”.
The British puss who kills 55 million birds annually is an innocent bystander. That was not just an article in order to arouse the British sentiments only but to exonerate the European pet and its owner of killing and lay the blame squarely onto the “hungry Cypriot” The politics of blame always demand that its someone else’s fault in this case of the hungry Cypriot. (Note: In Germany they are thinking of imposing tax on cat owners. Can we do the same for bird trappers here?)

When Europeans are involved in destruction it is always somebody else’s fault.
Listen to this one. The passenger pigeon was the most abundant creature on the planet second to locust estimated at 5 billion. It was hunted by the European Americans using nets and had it exterminated within few decades. The last bird died at Cincinnati zoo in 1914 where a statute of hers stands there in memory of the billions of Martha’s. The name of the bird was Martha (Birds of Ontario by T McIlwraith)
As Cypriots have not been involved in netting the creature, some one had to be found to take the blame. What did they do? They claimed it was the will of God!!
There are of course many other examples of blaming others for their destructive habits. (Cypriots though have not exterminated any birds in 3 thousand years of trapping).

In fact politics play a very important part in the ambeloboulia propaganda.
Without wanting to accuse “errolz66” of playing a political game by constantly referring to the GC side “illegal bird trapping” while he neglects to mention what the role of the north in trapping I just wonder…why the CABS organization never set up camps in the north to monitor the activity there as they do in the south and neither have I assume “Erolz66” helped to set a monitoring team for the same purpose. He is though very interested on what’s going on in the south. Theres nothing wrong with his interest but he ought to spread it a bit wider.

Further, CABS is a German organization Komittee gegen den vogelmord ev. It is a recognised independent charity organization with its head office in Bonn. Nothing unusual about this but if you consider that Germany has over 3million Turks and a MEP of Turkish descent and a member of EU-Turkey Joint Parliamentary committee and a substitute member of the Delegation for EU-Israel relations committee who tabled a parliamentary question on 12 July 2011 (?) (Lost index card with year) where he puts the birds trapped in Cyprus to 2.8 million, though forgotten to mention Ortolan hunting in France, lime sticks in Spain, the trapping of puffins in Island and Britain, the destruction of Cinereous bunting habitat in Turkey etc yet he only selected Cyprus for the attention of the EU parliament and one may reasonably wonder why. What role CABS plays in politics? The above is by way of illustrating the selective approach to environmental politics by those purporting to be interested in the subject.

Yet the argument of the role of Cyprus in the bird debate continues based on the twin pillars of: Bird trapping is illegal and bird trapping kills endangered species. It is, as I mentioned in my previous post, the mantra of the bird champions.
I am afraid I have to repeat myself here. The illegal part of the argument has no meaning with out numbers. If there are only few birds caught here and there, there is no need for the law. In order for the law to have meaning we have to prove that birds caught are large in number and practice of trapping is a threat to the species and it is the fault of the trappers and nobody else’s.

As I have asked before why are these birds endangered? What is the reason, who is responsible? What is the Cypriot contribution if any? Etc (see my last post). In fact it is due to environmental reasons. (See my previous posts and also below)

So an industry of number gathering has been established to “prove” that the Cypriots are harvesting birds in large numbers. In fact from 20 million to hundreds of thousands have been mentioned and anything you fancy in between.

As I have mentioned in my last post, as the tradition was practised since the 5th Century BC with out any effects to the birds, why now? What has happened? As I also mentioned the technology of bird trapping has not changed; it maintains its primitiveness etc (see my last post) “erolz66” correctly spotted an error in my argument. An intended error in fact, and he at once jumped in triumph! Aha! What about the mist nets and bird calling machines he said! What about them? It’s a new technology! Of course it is. How come though this new technology came to be used? We have to thank the bird champions for it.

Here I think I ought to make a distinction between lime sticks and mist nets. Mist nets is an indiscriminate trapping method and in fact a new technology. Lime stick trapping is discriminatory, despite what the bird champions say. As an example; if you set lime sticks to catch ambeloboulia you will not get there a duck or a heron or an owl. These creatures have different functions despite having feathers are able to fly and all are called birds. For example an owl is nocturnal, eats mice and does not frequent where ambelopoulia feed and where the lime sticks are set. So the likelihood of one been caught on lime sticks is very unlikely. The same applies to the other birds.

In fact CABS and others publish tables of birds caught without making a distinction between the two methods and neither publishing numbers of birds caught by either. It is a deliberate ploy in order to fool the unsuspecting reader, who if not a GC, to assume that both are the same having the same effect on the species. (See my previous posts) Of course mist nets are totally indiscriminate; they will catch anything even butterflies.

As I mentioned above the mist nets were introduced due to bird champions’ actions.
In their eagerness to protect the birds they went about in collecting and destroying lime sticks. As you probably know, lime sticks cannot be replaced once lost. You have to wait until the following year to do this, since mixia ie Syrian lime tree produces fruit once a year. (For those they do not know, the Syrian lime tree produces the raw material lime sticks are made from). As it is also a very labour intensive method of making lime sticks, loosing them can be very upsetting for the lime stick trapper. The alternative is to replace lime sticks with mist nets. Once mist nets are lost they can be easily replaced. Thanks to the bird champions, mist nets are now used more extensively and are now blaming the Cypriots for using them!!
They cannot have it both ways, can they?
(Numbers of lime sticks confiscated or destroyed by bird champions will be found in all their reposts I cited previously and elsewhere and in the beloved Cyprus Mail 6/10/12, where else, under the title “Poachers launch “gangster style” attacks on conservationists” also on 22/12/2022 in same paper “Disastrous year” for migratory birds as trapping hits 11-year high.” note the hyperboles in the articles.)

Further, their actions in Cyprus had disturbed the rate of social change. If the tradition was left to take its natural course, it would have died out much quicker even if the Cypriots have no hand in bird depletion. Bird depletion though would not stop because the causes are still there.

As we know traditions like bird trapping, cease to be practised or diminishes with time if the conditions that given rise to it changes. In fact it was diminishing and it is still diminishing now, despite what the bird champions are saying. No numbers of people practising the tradition have ever been published.
As no one done a study of the tradition, we are relying for all our knowledge on what is been churned out by partisan bodies. Naturally what we will get is what we are given i.e. partisan views.

For comparison, think of how many good traditions we replaced totally foreign to the Cyprus spirit imported from the west. We done it because we think that by “Europeanising” our ways of doing things we become better/civilised.

Since most people will very unlikely challenge the bird champions findings fed to us by supposedly “impartial” researchers in bird trapping in Cyprus, I here present some birds trapped from a list of P Hubbard study Published 1982, which is used by the bird champions as evidence of avian Cypriot destruction. The most common birds according to Hubbard’s list that have been trapped are: Lesser white throat, Chiffchaff, blackcap, redstars, orphean warblers etc according to BirdLife international (BLI) their population is increasing. What effect trapping has on their numbers? None!

According to BLI 2008 the song thrush has showed moderate decline but evaluated as least concern as well as Isabelline wheatear.

Again according to BLI thrush nightingale the trend in Europe is a slight increase in population and considered to be of least concern.

The Bee eater again according to BLI 2008, states that “this species is suspected to be in decline owing to loss of suitable pray, (bees that is) due to wide spread application of pesticides, loss of nesting sites through canalisation of rivers, establishment of monocultures and, please note here, “persecuted because it is considered as crop pest”!! BTW this is not the only bird; many other birds are persecuted for the same reason. What a waste for a good meze!! BTW I do not eat birds and I neither know anyone who eats ambelopoulia. I am sure there are some. How many? I assume a very small minority, considering the prise of the birds, despite the propaganda by our “friends” unless someone knows better. I love to know. However if others do eat them I am not going to be the judge of other people’s culinary habits. I leave this to our W. European friends.
Of course there are other vulnerable birds on the list and there vulnerability is due to more or less same causes as of the bee eater.

I hope this gives some idea as to what our bird champions are all about when they are accusing the Cypriots of contributing to bird reduction. I will repeat yet again. If the Cypriots stop killing birds tomorrow the vulnerable birds will not fair any better.

If the lime stick trappers want to maintain their tradition they ought to form a pressure group in order to represent their interest. Very good arguments can be developed in order to expose the hypocrisy of the bird champions that have a monopoly of purported “knowledge” on the subject thus giving them the power to spread disinformation.

In the meantime the bird champions are behaving like masters dishing out their “knowledge” and know-how to all and sundry, not only what’s good for the birds but what’s good for us as well, since we are over doing it because we “The Cypriots have never been accustomed to unrestricted freedom, but like his ox in the plough, requires a certain amount of control and his energies must be directed by a driver or a ruler” Get it? (Samuel White Baker. Cyprus as I saw it 1879) Is this an outdated opinion I wonder or an opinion that has never gone away.

European technologies, European farming methods, use of pesticides, greed, etc have created a global problem; due to their past historic supremacy, demand from others to adopt their recommended solutions and if they don’t they will employ what ever they can in order to make them, especially if you are small.
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Hence the reasons for arriving into Cyprus at regular intervals to do battle with the limers instead of talking to them; unless like the Cypriot ox on the plough needs a driver or a ruler!!!

The Guardian 8/11/204 under the heading “Almost half of all Europe’s birds species at risk” RSPB director blames intensive agriculture etc

Pesticides news 88 June 2010 in its article “Pesticides reduce biodiversity” writes Pesticides are a major factor affecting biological diversity globally, along with habitat loss and climate change”

The Observer 26/5/2012 heading “How EU policies led to a collapse in Europe’s bird population” Not due to the Cypriot trappers? In fact the way things go in a few years time the trappers will give up their tradition of 3 thousand years because there will be no birds to trap.

I though hope people posting here are not comparing dog cruelty with bird trapping;
In case some one does, remember dogs do not fly.

Τελειώνοντας, κοπέλια τσιαι κοπέλες, οι ``φίλοι`` μας κατεβάζουν μας το παντελόνι μέρα μεσομέρι και εμείς νομίζουμε ότι εν να μας σφονσισουν τον πισινό μας! Οxι κοπέλια παρατηρατε τι κρατούν στο σιέρι. Εν παλούτσιν που κρατουν!

[erolz66]

Yet more DDD.

Without wanting to accuse “errolz66” of playing a political game by constantly referring to the GC side “illegal bird trapping” while he neglects to mention what the role of the north in trapping I just wonder…why the CABS organization never set up camps in the north to monitor the activity there as they do in the south and neither have I assume “Erolz66” helped to set a monitoring team for the same purpose. He is though very interested on what’s going on in the south. Theres nothing wrong with his interest but he ought to spread it a bit wider.

FFS do you bother to READ anything anyone else actually posts before spewing out your nonsense ? I never once in this thread referred only to GC or illegal trapping in the South only. I have explicitly kept it general to all Cypriots and all of Cyprus. I also explained that part of the whole reason why I spent time with Birdlife Cyprus in the South working on their studies was so we could try and extend such surveys into the North as well, which we did. You know who funded this work in the North ? A German birdlife organisation (just as the RSPB fund the studies in the South). All of this has posted here in this very thread for FFS. You say I have not mentioned the North - yet I have here in this very thread, more than once. You say organisations like CABS never set up camps in the North - just not true - CABS and other organisations as well have worked and do work with Kuskor in the North, so yet more lies from you. You say I do not spread my 'interest' to the North - again not true and I already explained in this very thread that I had be specifically involved in taking the expertise that Bird Life Cyprus in the South had with it years of monitoring to the North - so yet more blatant BS from you. You must be related to GiG.

Mist nets is an indiscriminate trapping method and in fact a new technology. Lime stick trapping is discriminatory, despite what the bird champions say.

BS. Both are indiscriminate. You can not set a lime stick to ONLY catch black caps, that is just a fact. Hunting with a gun is discriminatory, in that the hunter can decide with each and every target whether to fire or not based on what the target is. Lime sticks are as indiscriminate as mist nets.

As an example; if you set lime sticks to catch ambeloboulia you will not get there a duck or a heron or an owl. These creatures have different functions despite having feathers are able to fly and all are called birds. For example an owl is nocturnal, eats mice and does not frequent where ambelopoulia feed and where the lime sticks are set. So the likelihood of one been caught on lime sticks is very unlikely. The same applies to the other birds.

More BS and ignorance trying to masquerade as 'wisdom'. There are a number of species (not ducks and not herons) that have similar traits to black caps that are regularly killed by both mist netting and lime sticks. Mist netting kills vastly more than lime sticks do but they are both equally indiscriminate.

In fact CABS and others publish tables of birds caught without making a distinction between the two methods and neither publishing numbers of birds caught by either. It is a deliberate ploy in order to fool the unsuspecting reader, who if not a GC, to assume that both are the same having the same effect on the species. (See my previous posts) Of course mist nets are totally indiscriminate; they will catch anything even butterflies.

Yet again I have already said explicitly that Bird Life Cyprus' publically available reports show activity by trapping type (mist net / lime sticks), yet again you claims 'CABS and others' do not show this distinction. Classic GiG - just keep telling the lie over and over and over and maybe someone might be fooled into believing it - at least that would seem to be the strategy no matter how foolish it is in reality and how foolish it makes you look. For you information mist nets do NOT trap butterflies. Have you ever seen a mist net ? Seen a bird trapped in one ? If you had you would not have made such a silly statement about butterflies. Dickhead.

As I mentioned above the mist nets were introduced due to bird champions’ actions.
In their eagerness to protect the birds they went about in collecting and destroying lime sticks. As you probably know, lime sticks cannot be replaced once lost. You have to wait until the following year to do this, since mixia ie Syrian lime tree produces fruit once a year. (For those they do not know, the Syrian lime tree produces the raw material lime sticks are made from). As it is also a very labour intensive method of making lime sticks, loosing them can be very upsetting for the lime stick trapper. The alternative is to replace lime sticks with mist nets. Once mist nets are lost they can be easily replaced. Thanks to the bird champions, mist nets are now used more extensively and are now blaming the Cypriots for using them!!
They cannot have it both ways, can they?

More absolute nonsense and BS. Using 'Syrian Lime' to make lime sticks is the 'tradition method'. Today lime sticks can and are made with any number of adhesive products bought of the shelf at DIY stores. Lime sticks are easy and cheap to make and replace if you do not care about 'tradition' and the % of illegal trappers that do care about 'tradition' whilst not zero is a very small % of the total. Mist nets on the other hand are expensive and hard to purchase, they are actually illegal in and of themselves and can not be bought in stores but have to be smuggled in or produced in 'secret'. The reason why mist net use has increased is because it is a much more intensive means of trapping birds than lime sticks are, the use and increase of mist netting mirrors exactly the change in the 'who' does it and the 'why' they do it as the practice moved into the hands of criminal elements seeking to maximise profit from their illegal activity and decrease risk to the gang leaders.

For the record Bird Life Cyprus does not destroy lime sticks. In the two years I worked with them there were very strict rules in terms of property damage and also entering private property. Countless times we found lime sticks in the field or in production and we worked with the Game Fund who do have the legal rights to destroy such things. Yes other bird life organisations are more 'militant' in their approach but to make out all ' Bird Champions' operate the same way is just yet more propaganda and bullshit.

Bird depletion though would not stop because the causes are still there.

How stupid are you ? The worse all the many pressures on endangered species become then the MORE important it is to reduce the damage done from illegal trapping not LESS. How many times does this have to said ? Where bird trapping is different from most of the other pressures on endangered species is that there is not 'balancing argument' for its continuation. With habitat depletion there IS a 'balancing argument' of the need for economic development for example. So too with intensive farming. With illegal trapping the only 'balancing argument' is illegal profits to predominately organised criminal gangs. Where the loss of income would be to 'ordinary people' many Bird Life organisations have looked at the possibility and means of some kind of 'compensation' for such people but the reality is, even in 2013 there are few individuals where the loss of their income from illegal trapping would seriously effect their livelihoods and abilities to support themselves and their families and the reason why is because the largest proportion of such income is now in the hands on criminal gangs, who actually in some areas have driven out the 'traditional' style trappers in order to increase and protect their profits.

As we know traditions like bird trapping, cease to be practised or diminishes with time if the conditions that given rise to it changes. In fact it was diminishing and it is still diminishing now, despite what the bird champions are saying. No numbers of people practising the tradition have ever been published.

You have no numbers for ANYTHING, yet you call those who have real numbers from years of study 'liars' ? Just how do you suppose you would produce meaningful and credible stats for the numbers of illegal trappers and increase and decrease year on years thereof ? You cretin. The Birdlife Cyprus studies are a scientific study of trapping activity, that map out trapping areas and visit them twice yearly for over 10 years now and that measure and record actual activity and signs of activity, like meters of net runs, with nets and without, graded by how recently used the area is and a number of other factors. Same for lime sticks. This is 'hard data' from which you can make estimates of total damage done, but where it is even more useful is exactly in monitoring increase or decrease in activity year on year. What kind of fuckwit are you. Does anyone produce stats on the numbers of individuals involved in illegal drug pushing or prostitution, year on year ? Of course they do not because its not possible. What you get is number of arrests, number of victims etc year on year from which estimates and inferences can be made. Yet in your fuckwit world because there are not published stats saying how many individuals are involved it must mean it does not happen.

The HARD data, meticulously collected over years of hard work show real increases and decreases in illegal trapping activity year on year. Yet you who have done not a SINGLE MINUTE of work collecting or studying real data dismiss all of this evidence on the basis that it is critical of Cypriots (even though produced BY Cypriots) therefore it MUST be lies and the work of 'German Turks' and others out to get us. You pathetic little head can not get even begin to contain the notion that the evidence might actually be real and true.

I hope this gives some idea as to what our bird champions are all about when they are accusing the Cypriots of contributing to bird reduction. I will repeat yet again. If the Cypriots stop killing birds tomorrow the vulnerable birds will not fair any better.

If illegal bird trapping were to stop in Cyprus tomorrow, what would be the downside Fuckwit ? That is the whole point. There is just no NEED for this activity to continue, no benefit to society as a whole. Yet all the evidence suggest that it DOES do REAL MATERIAL damage to a numbered of endangered species. Even if its only a case of stopping it MIGHT help the prospects of a number of endangered species then it should be a no brainer. To all but fuckwits and those incapable of allowing any thought of the possibility of wrongdoing by Cypriots as a whole.

If the lime stick trappers want to maintain their tradition they ought to form a pressure group in order to represent their interest. Very good arguments can be developed in order to expose the hypocrisy of the bird champions that have a monopoly of purported “knowledge” on the subject thus giving them the power to spread disinformation.

You know there were reports of prostitution and slavery as far back as the '5th century BC' ? Those involved in running forced prostitution ought to form a pressure group to represent their interests. Very good arguments can be developed in order to expose the hypocrisy of the 'anti forced prostitution champions' that have a monopoly on the subject giving them the power to spread disinformation. Fuckwit

European technologies, European farming methods, use of pesticides, greed, etc have created a global problem; due to their past historic supremacy, demand from others to adopt their recommended solutions and if they don’t they will employ what ever they can in order to make them, especially if you are small.

Yeah because there is no 'greed' in Cypriots or if there is its because the 'Europeans' forced in onto us against our will ! Fuckwit.

[Paphitis]

It is a rather long exposition against the propaganda against the Cypriot society by foreigners and should be read in conjunction with the rest of my posts.


In an article on the 23 December 2009 The Guardian news paper asked: “Who killed the cock robin? The hungry Cypriots did in annual slaughter”.
The British puss who kills 55 million birds annually is an innocent bystander. That was not just an article in order to arouse the British sentiments only but to exonerate the European pet and its owner of killing and lay the blame squarely onto the “hungry Cypriot” The politics of blame always demand that its someone else’s fault in this case of the hungry Cypriot. (Note: In Germany they are thinking of imposing tax on cat owners. Can we do the same for bird trappers here?)

Well Schnowoozer, you will need to provide a link to this Guardian Article on 23 Dec 09. It is important to note the context of this article.

If it is about Bird Trapping then why would they mention cats. There are hundreds of other articles about cats killing birds and their nests.

My oh my, I wonder why it is that the Brits have so much hatred for the "Hungry Cypriot". Cypriots are already a very paranoid and sensitive people, and as a result we do not need drama queens like you stiring the pot any further. I wonder how this mega hatred or racism can be explained? Why so much anger towards Cypriots I wonder?

Now, it looks like Erolz has your measure and has called a spade by a spade so I will do the same! FUCKWIT!

[miltiades]

We can not excuse our shortcomings when it comes to animal welfare by simply stating that other nations are also less than perfect when it comes to animal welfare.

Its a bit like a murderer excusing his actions by telling the court that many other people commit murders.

Again I say that much has improved over the last few decades but much more has to be achieved.

[B25]

Milti, we accept that we have short comings where animal welfare is concerned in Cyprus and as you say, attitudes are changing, but your mate Erolz, is on a crusade to blacken the GCs at every opportunity, it has nothing to do with the welfare of the animals he purports to defend. He has nothing to say about the 200k GCs evicted from their homes by him and his ilk, yet plays the saint where the birds are concerned. imish!

[erolz66]

Milti, we accept that we have short comings where animal welfare is concerned in Cyprus and as you say, attitudes are changing, but your mate Erolz, is on a crusade to blacken the GCs at every opportunity, it has nothing to do with the welfare of the animals he purports to defend. He has nothing to say about the 200k GCs evicted from their homes by him and his ilk, yet plays the saint where the birds are concerned. imish!

FFS where have I limited my comments to ONLY GC or the South ? The answer is nowhere. As to what I have to say about the Cyprus problem, I have ten years of posts here and on other forums about this issue all easily found with a simple search.

Whilst a majority of ordinary Cypriots are indifferent to the issue of illegal trapping or worse still seek to actively make out it is not an issue, that's its all a plot to attack Cyprus, that the internationally recognised birdlife organisations are all liars and other bullshit, then things will not change and they need to change if we are to meet our collective responsibilities to future generations to come.

I come to this thread to highlight the issue and counter the BS propaganda of others, taking extreme care NOT to blame just GC or the RoC alone. Yet poster after poster says 'its just an excuse to blacken GC and the RoC'. What is wrong with these people ? There is NO evidence that I seek to single out the south over this issue and ignore the north. On the contrary there is explicit evidence that I do not exclude or ignore the north. There is no evidence that my views on this issue are not sincerely held. On the contrary there is explicit evidence that they are sincerely held views (my paid and un paid historic work in this field). Yet despite al this a significant number of contributors to this thread choose to believe that for which there is no evidence for over that for which there is clear evidence for. What is that all about ?

[miltiades]

Milti, we accept that we have short comings where animal welfare is concerned in Cyprus and as you say, attitudes are changing, but your mate Erolz, is on a crusade to blacken the GCs at every opportunity, it has nothing to do with the welfare of the animals he purports to defend. He has nothing to say about the 200k GCs evicted from their homes by him and his ilk, yet plays the saint where the birds are concerned. imish!

FFS where have I limited my comments to ONLY GC or the South ? The answer is nowhere. As to what I have to say about the Cyprus problem, I have ten years of posts here and on other forums about this issue all easily found with a simple search.

Whilst a majority of ordinary Cypriots are indifferent to the issue of illegal trapping or worse still seek to actively make out it is not an issue, that's its all a plot to attack Cyprus, that the internationally recognised birdlife organisations are all liars and other bullshit, then things will not change and they need to change if we are to meet our collective responsibilities to future generations to come.

I come to this thread to highlight the issue and counter the BS propaganda of others, taking extreme care NOT to blame just GC or the RoC alone. Yet poster after poster says 'its just an excuse to blacken GC and the RoC'. What is wrong with these people ? There is NO evidence that I seek to single out the south over this issue and ignore the north. On the contrary there is explicit evidence that I do not exclude or ignore the north. There is no evidence that my views on this issue are not sincerely held. On the contrary there is explicit evidence that they are sincerely held views (my paid and un paid historic work in this field). Yet despite al this a significant number of contributors to this thread choose to believe that for which there is no evidence for over that for which there is clear evidence for. What is that all about ?

I find your views well balanced and well presented.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Milti, we accept that we have short comings where animal welfare is concerned in Cyprus and as you say, attitudes are changing, but your mate Erolz, is on a crusade to blacken the GCs at every opportunity, it has nothing to do with the welfare of the animals he purports to defend. He has nothing to say about the 200k GCs evicted from their homes by him and his ilk, yet plays the saint where the birds are concerned. imish!

B25, what I have noticed is that the cleverer enemies of Cyprus use the label "Cypriot" attached to any number of bad matters under discussion. If criticized they claim they too are also Cypriot and only doing the right thing, rising above the average Cypriot-in-denial. In this way they denigrate Cypriots. This is very clever because when the average foreigner sees "Cypriot" they immediately think of Greek Cypriots. These enemies of ours are usually Turks or Imperialist-Brits and they vehemently oppose bringing in the word "Turkish Cypriot" when something bad is discussed so that they preserve the honour of "Turkish".

They tap into and expand upon ongoing propaganda to seal the image. Telling and retelling old lies until they become "truths".