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[Paphitis]

Of course it could be that we are all full of shit.

In the 70s, both Greece and Turkey were the biggest recipients of US aid and received free Destroyers under the FRAM 1, FRAM 2 and FRAM 3 programs. It would be stupid if the US turned around and sunk the US sponsored Greek Fleet. But that doesn't stop the Kafeneio talk.

Furthermore, A Greek Naval Vessel did dock at Paphos and unloaded some Hellenic Special Forces Troops which headed for the front lines. The Turks were looking for it and in the confusion sunk their own Kocatepe and disabled another 2 Turkish Destroyers.
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Also, Greece rejoined NATO in 1980. If the US is 100% responsible, then you got to wonder why the would want to be a part of the organization.

I honestly believe that we sometimes overstate things to our own detriment.

[Simon]

Of course it could be that we are all full of shit.

In the 70s, both Greece and Turkey were the biggest recipients of US aid and received free Destroyers under the FRAM 1, FRAM 2 and FRAM 3 programs. It would be stupid if the US turned around and sunk the US sponsored Greek Fleet. But that doesn't stop the Kafeneio talk.

Furthermore, A Greek Naval Vessel did dock at Paphos and unloaded some Hellenic Special Forces Troops which headed for the front lines. The Turks were looking for it and in the confusion sunk their own Kocatepe and disabled another 2 Turkish Destroyers.
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Also, Greece rejoined NATO in 1980. If the US is 100% responsible, then you got to wonder why the would want to be a part of the organization.

I honestly believe that we sometimes overstate things to our own detriment.

Paphitis, are you implying that the US would never attack a country who is a recipient of American weapons? Because I think you'll find they do that quite often. If the US felt that Greece was acting contrary to its interests, it would not at all be surprising if they made such a threat. However, whether they actually did make this threat, of course I do not know.

I largely agree with you, I think we can overstate things. I also do not believe the US was 100% responsible. That is silly. But I also do not believe that Greece was 100% responsible (although the junta were the most reprehensible) as this ignores the historical context of the problem. I think the blame lies with several parties. But clearly Greece felt betrayed by the US, otherwise, why withdraw from NATO at all?

[Get Real!]

The problem with your stance Simon and of those who agree with you, is that if we are to pass the blame to individuals such as “the junta did it” or “Saddam did it” or “Papadopoulos did it” and wash Greece’s hands clean then exactly the same can be applied for Turkey!

So by the same token “Bulent Ecevit did it” or if you prefer “the American-backed Turkish regime did it”, or a whole bunch of other individuals and/or groupings that one can conjure up as an excuse!

So to sum this up, by letting Greece off the hook we are also letting Turkey off the hook which results in a slap in the face to the victims of Cyprus.

[Maximus]

After it has all been said and done, it was Turkey that did it and continues to do it to this day.

[Get Real!]

After it has all been said and done, it was Turkey that did it and continues to do it to this day.

Later in life when you mature your stance should change to… “Greece started it and Turkey finished it”.

But of course, not everyone will be able to overcome the overwhelming bias from decades of propaganda because you need an advanced level of intellect to handle the truth.

[boulio]

a bunch of colonels started get real enough with the greek bashing.im sure you were the first to provide help with food and medicine the tc that were in the enclaves.

[Maximus]

After it has all been said and done, it was Turkey that did it and continues to do it to this day.

Later in life when you mature your stance should change to… “Greece started it and Turkey finished it”.

But of course, not everyone will be able to overcome the overwhelming bias from decades of propaganda because you need an advanced level of intellect to handle the truth.

What is truth GR?

does it start with the Greek coup or does it start way before then?

[Get Real!]

After it has all been said and done, it was Turkey that did it and continues to do it to this day.

Later in life when you mature your stance should change to… “Greece started it and Turkey finished it”.

But of course, not everyone will be able to overcome the overwhelming bias from decades of propaganda because you need an advanced level of intellect to handle the truth.

What is truth GR?

does it start with the Greek coup or does it start way before then?

I guess it started with Adam and Eve when they bit the apple.

This conversation is over.

[Maximus]

Fair enough...

[miltiades]

There is no doubt as to who is to blame for giving Turkey the opportunity to fulfil her plans of partitioning the island.

The blame lies squarely on the extreme elements of G/Cs who never gave up on the Enosis idea.

Aided and encouraged by the Greek Junta they staged the coup against Makarios whom they saw as an obstacle to their plans of Enosis. Makarios, although not by any means a brilliant statesman, was nevertheless a wise leader who recognized realities and embraced Independence as opposed to Enosis.

Had he remained in power by crushing the coup, Turkey would have no reasonable legitimate reasons to invade our island.