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[miltiades]

I have known many Iranians living abroad who are disgusted and dismayed by what has happened to their country.

I too know many Iranians who are also disgusted by the barbaric practices that take place in their country.

The M.E is full of such savage and utterly barbaric acts.

The West ought to wake up to realities, these people, for as long as they are blinded by cultural religious practices will remain.
undemocratic and in the dark ages, their enemy is themselves, the Satan is themselves not the USA or the West..

Trying to introduce democracy to these nations is like trying to teach algebra to a year old.

It has recently been announced that Brunei has declared stoning as legal !!!

[Tim Drayton]

I have known many Iranians living abroad who are disgusted and dismayed by what has happened to their country.

I too know many Iranians who are also disgusted by the barbaric practices that take place in their country.

The M.E is full of such savage and utterly barbaric acts.

The West ought to wake up to realities, these people, for as long as they are blinded by cultural religious practices will remain.
undemocratic and in the dark ages, their enemy is themselves, the Satan is themselves not the USA or the West..

Trying to introduce democracy to these nations is like trying to teach algebra to a year old.

It has recently been announced that Brunei has declared stoning as legal !!!

It seems to me that there is a contradiction in your arguments. On the one hand you are aware that many Iranians are disgusted by the current situation in their country and long for change, then you turn round and say that all Iranians are primitive barbarians who can only live in the dark ages.

[miltiades]

Tim, let me firstly say that I have the utmost respect for your intelligence, you are a thoroughly nice guy and wise too.

I could also say that many Germans were against Hitler, that did not change Hitler's attitude.

For as long as these nations are theocratic they will never adopt democracy.

[Tim Drayton]

Tim, let me firstly say that I have the utmost respect for your intelligence, you are a thoroughly nice guy and wise too.

I could also say that many Germans were against Hitler, that did not change Hitler's attitude.

For as long as these nations are theocratic they will never adopt democracy.

Theocracy and democracy are absolutely incompatible - I fully agree with you there. But there is aspiration for change among a significant proportion of the population of many countries ruled by theocratic regimes in the Middle East. I do not accept that theocracy has to last for ever.

[miltiades]

I would not disagree with you on this. Indeed there are many who would like to see a permanent change, however the vast majority, including the Religious leaders, would raise numerous objections based on religious grounds.

[Tim Drayton]

There was a news item on the BBC World Service radio yesterday evening about a delegation of 100 clerics who visited the king of Saudi Arabia to warn him of the dangers of allowing women to drive. Ludicrous as the whole issue may seem to most of us in the rest of the world, it suggests that the king may be on the verge of caving in to pressure to allow this to happen. It shows that there is a constant tug of war going on between those who want reform and those who resist it. Nothing is set in stone.

[Flying Horse]

There was a news item on the BBC World Service radio yesterday evening about a delegation of 100 clerics who visited the king of Saudi Arabia to warn him of the dangers of allowing women to drive. Ludicrous as the whole issue may seem to most of us in the rest of the world, it suggests that the king may be on the verge of caving in to pressure to allow this to happen. It shows that there is a constant tug of war going on between those who want reform and those who resist it. Nothing is set in stone.

Funnily enough I was just reading something about this sort of thing....totally idiotic!

Sheikh Salah al-Luhaydan said if woman drove they would damage their pelvis and their children could suffer 'clinical disorders'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... heikh.html

Another source says he is some sort of psychologist
Along with such absurd phrases from other men of the middle east '' Women who do not dress modestly, lead young men astray, corrupt their chastity, spreading adultery in society.... CREATING EARTHQUAKES''

and the best one is ''THE WORLD IS FLAT!!''

[miltiades]

How corrupt their retarded brain cells must be, men can drive but not women, men can enjoy sex but not women, men can pray in mosques but not women !!!
Democracy , I don't think so, in the near future, I don't think so.

[Tim Drayton]

How corrupt their retarded brain cells must be, men can drive but not women, men can enjoy sex but not women, men can pray in mosques but not women !!!
Democracy , I don't think so, in the near future, I don't think so.

Perhaps I just prefer to be optimistic .. about places like Egypt, Libya and Tunisia, at any rate, where I hope to see secular democracies in my lifetime.

[Tim Drayton]

I have just seen that in Yemen a father poured oil over his 15-year-old daughter and burnt her alive to save the family's good name after the girl was seen walking with her boyfriend. Obviously, some places have a long way to go.