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Re: Greece human rights violations against its Turkish minor

Postby Demonax » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:54 pm

More on Bruce Fein who wrote this 'report'' which stupider quotes above.

He was a lobbyist paid by Turkey to spread pro-Turkish propaganda particularly against the Armenian genocide. He worked for the Turkish Coalition of America (TCA) funded by Turkey and is one of two leading attorneys at the Turkish American Legal Defense Fund (TALDF), established by the TCA in 2008. He had previously served as “adjunct scholar” and general counsel at the Assembly of Turkish American Associations (ATAA). Described as 'a bad penny that is always turning up' he was a well known Israeli lobbyist in the days when Turkey and Israel were best pals. His clients are largely 'criminals, terrorists and dictators'. But Turkey in particular!

Who ‘Really’ Is this Bruce Fein?

He has been a crusty foreign lobbyist making millions of dollars peddling his foreign bosses’ interests and influence in Congress and government agencies. For Fein it has never mattered who the foreign client or what their agenda. He does not care whether his foreign clients are criminals or terrorists or dictators. As long as they pay him handsomely he’ll sell their agenda and interest no matter what they may be. The words ‘principle’ or ‘taking a stand’ have never entered this foreign lobbyist’s dictionary or comprehension: One minute, on behalf of one set of his foreign designated ‘terrorist’ bosses, Bruce Fein is busy selling the need for a genocide declaration by the US Congress against one nation . . .

The next minute, on behalf of another well-known foreign mob boss, Bruce Fein is busy peddling influence and selling Congress his foreign bosses’ anti-genocide agenda:

“In 2007, Ayasli transferred $30 million in stock to fund a new endeavor, the nonprofit Turkish Coalition of America. The organization is headquartered in a Washington suite that has also been listed as the address for the Turkish Coalition USA PAC, the lobbying firm of Lydia Borland (who has represented the Turkish government), and the law firm of Bruce Fein and Associates (Fein comprises half of the Turkish American Legal Defense Fund) . . .”

Bruce Fein sees no problem with representing foreign groups like this: Fein hit the jackpot in 1991 when he signed on to represent Mozambique’s notorious guerrilla army, RENAMO, which was seeking to overthrow its country’s leftist government. When Fein came on board, RENAMO’s reputation has hit bottom. . . . . . Even the Reagan and Bush administrations kept their distance from RENAMO, despite their anti-Communist rhetoric . . .

Fein, however, eagerly signed up to flack for Dhlakama’s terror army. Like most foreign lobbyists, he bilked his client for huge sums of money while performing virtually no work.

Here is another on-the-spot description of Real Bruce Fein as a crusty “Beltway Prostitute”: “Well, well, well. Wasn’t Bruce Fein just recently condemning the Government of Sri Lanka for trying to put an end to the LTTE? But this time he’s defending a sovereign government for protecting itself—rather than slandering it using falsehoods. Now you see what I mean when I earlier referred to Mr. Fein as a “Beltway prostitute.” He will accept money from anyone who can pay the price—regardless of where that money came from, or who his legal and public relations services might unjustly hurt. What an embarrassment to the US legal profession.”


To read further on Bruce Fein as a Foreign Agent lobbyist for Pakistan, Sudan, Turkey, Tamil and several others, to read about Fein’s overt Neocon Ties & Covert Israel Pedigree, and to find out about his ethical violations as an attorney who represented disgraced congresswoman Jean Schmidt Read: Who ‘Really’ Is this Bruce Fein?

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Re: Greece human rights violations against its Turkish minor

Postby bill cobbett » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:03 pm

Thx for that Demon, so a paid propagandist wrote these, which reminds us that Turkey has a bottomless stash of cash when it comes to these things and that it will use the Turkish Diaspora to promote its views.

Oh and The Unpaid Propagandist that is BillC can also add that in the 2012 General Election in Greece, that's in this century, the following were elected to the Parliament of Greece as MPs...

Ayhan Karayusuf

Hüseyin Zeybek

Ahmet Hacıosman
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Re: Greece human rights violations against its Turkish minor

Postby Demonax » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:09 pm

More on the shady dealings of Bruce Fein as Turkey's biggest paid advocate and his links to the Turkish-American defence contractor Yalsin Ayasli:

http://www.armenianweekly.com/2012/01/2 ... -campaign/
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Re: Greece human rights violations against its Turkish minor

Postby stpier » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:12 pm

2010 Human Rights Report: Greece
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The law requires that radio and television stations broadcast primarily in Greek and that radio stations broadcast 24 hours a day. It sets minimum capitalization requirements and numbers of employees. Members of the Muslim minority in Thrace stated that the law discriminated against smaller, independent, Turkish-language stations. In 2009 the Western Thrace Minority University Graduates Association reported that the government had begun to enforce the law, with one Turkish-language radio station receiving a violation notice for broadcasting in Turkish only.

Freedom of Association

The law provides for freedom of association; however, the government continued to place legal restrictions on the names of associations of nationals who claimed to be of "Macedonian" ethnic origin or that included the term "Turkish" (see section 6, National/Racial/Ethnic Minorities).

In September 2009, the Appeals Court of Thrace rejected the application of the "Turkish Union of Xanthi" for legal recognition despite a March 2008 ECHR ruling that the country was violating the freedom of association of the Muslim minority by refusing to recognize the organization. The ECHR had also ruled against the government's refusal to register the "Cultural Association of Turkish Women of Rodopi." The ECHR upheld its decision in October 2008 following the government's appeal. In December 2008 the "Turkish Union of Xanthi" returned to court to seek recognition in line with the ECHR decision. Upon rejecting the petition, the Appeals Court of Thrace stated that the ECHR's ruling was not binding, the ECHR had neglected to consider "political" factors in its decision, Article 12 of the Union's statute, which deals with "Monitoring of Members' National and Social Beliefs" was in violation of Article 5 of the Greek constitution (an issue not addressed in the ECHR ruling). The case was awaiting Supreme Court's decision at yearend.


Although the government does not confer official status on any indigenous ethnic group, nor recognize "ethnic minority" or "linguistic minority" as legal terms, it affirms an individual's right of self-identification. However, many individuals who defined themselves as members of a "minority" found it difficult to express their identity freely and to maintain their culture. Use of the terms Tourkos and Tourkikos ("Turk" and "Turkish") is prohibited in titles of organizations, although individuals legally may call themselves Tourkos. Associations with either term in their name were denied official recognition. To most ethnic Greeks, the words Tourkos and Tourkikos connote Turkish identity or loyalties, and many ethnic Greeks objected to their use by citizens of Turkish origin.


The UN independent expert on minority issues, in a March 2009 report, urged the government to withdraw from the dispute over whether there is a "Macedonian" or a "Turkish" ethnic minority in the country. He advised focusing instead on protecting the rights to self-identification, freedom of expression, and freedom of association of those communities and on complying fully with the rulings of the ECHR that associations should be allowed to use the words "Macedonian" and "Turkish" in their names and to express their ethnic identities freely. The independent expert found that those identifying themselves as ethnic Macedonians continued to report discrimination and harassment. Representatives of this minority claimed they were denied the right to freedom of association, citing unsuccessful efforts since 1990 to register the organization "Home of Macedonian Culture" in Florina.
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Re: Greece human rights violations against its Turkish minor

Postby kimon07 » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:16 pm

stpier wrote:The United States Helsinki Commission, an independent government agency charged with monitoring and securing compliance with international human rights standards, should hold hearings to spotlight Greece ’s subjugation of its Turkish minority in Western Thrace .


According to the existing conventions and agreements there is not such a thing as a "Turkish Minority" in Greece, let alone "Turkish Minorities". There are only Muslim Minorities i.e., about 160,000 Turkish speaking, (some of whom identify themselves as Turks) and the rest are Pomaks and Roma. On the contrary, the same treaties and conventions refer to a Greek Minority in Turkey of over 300,000 which was reduced, due to persecutions and atrocities to less than 3,000.

By the way: Has the progress report of the EU on Turkey been published? It was expected to be today and Bagis was going bananas these past few weeks.
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Re: Greece human rights violations against its Turkish minor

Postby Demonax » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:20 pm

This was published in response to the Turkish propaganda article written by Bruce Fein on the situation of Greece's Muslim minority. As it turns out the Muslims of Greece are flourishing in stark contrast to the Greek Orthodox minority in Turkey whose population has been decimated by years of relentless persecution:

Turkish Revisionist Claims on Thrace

By Ioannis Fidanakis
Recent events taking place in the Balkans surrounding the push for an Independent Kosovo, has many eyes now turned towards Western Thrace (Thraki). Recently, Bruce Fein of the Turkish Coalition of America released an article about the supposed Human Rights abuses facing the Turkish minority in Greece. As President of the Pan Thracian Union of America ‘Orpheus’, I find it my duty to speak out openly to prevent the spread of a Turkish smear campaign, which is more laughable then a true scholarly concern for Human Rights.

Mr. Fein’s sad attempt to paint a picture of an evil oppressive Greek state towards its Muslim citizens is an irresponsible misuse of the truth. “Greece’s decade’s long campaign of cultural repression, ethnic and religious discrimination and economic marginalization of its Turkish minority”, could be nothing farther from the truth. What Mr. Fein and his Turkish friends so conveniently omit is that fact that the Muslim minority of Greece has flourished since the signing of the Treaty of Lausanne, while Turkey’s Greek Orthodox minority has slowly disappeared. I use the terms Muslim and Greek Orthodox minorities, because unlike what the Turkish lobby would like Westerners to think, these are the proper terms that should be used as set by the Treaty of Lausanne. This treaty and the population exchange between these two countries were based solely on a religious principal. The populations exchanged and those allowed to continue to reside in each respected nation were between religious and not ethnic minorities.

Against Turkish propaganda, which calls the whole Muslim minority of Thraki as strictly Turkish in origin, the currently Muslim minority is divided into several different ethnic origins, Turkish, Pomak, and Roma ethnic lines. Turkish revisionists declare that although each of these groups has their own language and culture, they represent one National identity, because the Treaty defines them as one Muslim minority rather then three separate ones. However, to forcefully push a Turkish ethnic identity upon the Pomak and Roma communities, in and of itself, is an act of ‘cultural repression’ and ‘ethnic discrimination’, in which the Turkish lobby declares to be against such an action. At present, the Greek states fulfills it’s international obligation by recognizing Greek citizen’s of the Islamic faith as a religious minority of diverse origins, rather then forcefully committing cultural genocide by forcing one cultural identity upon them.

Since the signing of the Treaty of Lausanne, the Muslim minority of Thraki has grown from 86,000 in 1922 to 120,000 today, compared to its Greek Orthodox counterpart in Turkey, which in 1922 was roughly 200,000 and today is merely 5,000. For a country and its lobby who have obviously work towards the diminishment of their own Greek Orthodox community inside their homeland to declare such a statement, while the Muslim Minority has nearly doubled in Greece boggles the rational mind.

Today in Thraki the Muslim minority is protected against discrimination and promised religious freedom in the Greek constitution under Articles 5 and 13. Thrace is home of 3 muftis, roughly 270 imams and 300 functioning mosques. Politically speaking as recent as 2002, 250 Muslim municipal and prefectural councilors and mayors were elected in local elections. The same cannot be said politically for the Greek Orthodox community in Turkey. Yet the Turkish Government and its political puppets in Thraki have the gull to complain about their political and religious situation. Declaring that the manner in which their Muftis are elected violates the Treaty of Lausanne. The Greek government instead maintains that the state-appointments of muftis is widespread in the Republic of Turkey, and hence its adherence in Greece only goes to strengthen the Greek commitment to protecting Islamic cultural traditions, as set by the Treaty of Lausanne.

One of the major differences between Greece and Turkey’s respect for the Treaty can been seen in the educational life of the Muslim and Greek Orthodox communities. In Thraki today, there are 215 primary schools, where Greek and Turkish languages are used, as well as 2 secondary schools. There are also 2 Islamic theological seminaries in Thraki, yet in Turkey the main school of theology of the Greek Orthodox Church, the Halki seminary remains closed since 1971, which is a direct contradiction to religious freedom promised in the treaty. The Republic of Turkey even goes as far as to tamper with religious affairs, not recognizing the ecumenical status of the Greek Orthodox Patriarch, and tampering in the very process that patriarchal elections are held, affecting not just the religious freedom of Greek Orthodox Christians still living inside Turkey, but also millions living outside of Turkey.

Lastly, the Muslim minority of Thraki unlike the Greek Orthodox community of Turkey has never been subjected to ethnic cleansing of any kind, politically, religiously, or economically. While the Muslims of Thraki have lived in peace inside the Greek state, except for sporadic acts of violates perpertrated by the Muslim community themselves, against local Thracians (Thrakiotis) in Thraki, most recently a month ago, where a Greek teacher was beaten by Turkish parents, this minority of Greece has never felt the stress of being a subjected people. I wish I could say the same for the Greek Orthodox community living in Turkey. Since the signing of the Treaty of Lausanne, the Greek Orthodox minority inside Turkey has been on a constant alert for the next wave of violate ethnic cleansing thrusted upon them by the Turkish state. Without going in depth of the violations committed by the Turkish state, one can merely glance over a short list of the acts of political and religious genocide that has truly been committed against a minority. In 1926, just two years after the signing of the treaty, the Turkish government revoked the right of special administrative organization of the islands of Imbros and Tenedos. The drafting of non-Muslims into labor battalions during World War II affected not only the Greek Orthodox community, but also the Armenian and Jewish communities as well. Let us not forget the Varlik Vergisi ‘Fortune Tax’ enforced mostly on non-Muslims and the parliamentary law which barred Greek citizens from several trades and professions, like medicine, law, and real estate to name a few. The most violate example of the discrimination suffered by the Greek Orthodox community is without a doubt the Istanbul Pogrom of 1955, which echoed the days of Nazi Germany’s actions against its Jewish community. When the then 150,000 strong minority suffered unspeakable acts of violence, orchestrated by the government of Turkish Prime Minister Adnan Menderes and his Demokrat Parti, acts of violence, which bus loads of local party members, police, and even Muslims from Greece participated in.

It is up to the free thinking minds of those residing here in the United States to look at these allegations and decide for themselves if the Muslim minority of Thraki is truly facing the prejudice they claim to be, or if its just another act in a long line of misleading propaganda perpetrated to be used as a screen of smoke and mirrors to keep our eyes away from the true persecuted minority from the Treaty of Lausanne, the Greek Orthodox Minority of Anatoliki Thraki (Eastern Thrace).

Ioannis Fidanakis is the President of Pan Thracian Union of America “Orpheus”.


http://www.globalpolitician.com/print.asp?id=4480
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Re: Greece human rights violations against its Turkish minor

Postby stpier » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:29 pm

U.S. English Foundation Research

GREECE
Language Research

4. Minority groups: To what extent are minority groups in this country disadvantaged by their language?

TURKISH

Human rights violations in the education field affect the largest number of individuals and have done the most to foster the Turkish minority's relative underdevelopment. Schools are overcrowded and poorly funded compared to those attended by ethnic Greeks. The quality of the teachers is quite low. Ethnic Turks educated in Turkish universities, which the minority believes are the best qualified to teach, have not been hired for a number of years. On the other hand, graduates of the Thessaloniki Pedagogical Academy (EPATH)-the job candidates preferred by the Greek state-are poorly educated and have a weak command of the Turkish language. Furthermore, community members claim, not without some justification that the EPATH-trained teachers act as "ideological overseers." Textbooks are decades out of date because Greece and Turkey have been unable to implement a 1968 protocol that would have allowed each country to supply textbooks to their respective minority. The two Turkish-language high schools can provide only a fraction of the needed places, resulting in a disproportionate dropout rate. Greek officials fall back on the Treaty of Lausanne, which only obligates them to provide primary education in Turkish, ignoring the fact that Greek law mandates a minimum of nine years of education. State repression takes other forms as well. Members of the ethnic Turkish minority also complain of police surveillance, discrimination in public employment, and restrictions on freedom of expression.

Greece's attitude toward the ethnic Turkish minority is nowhere more evident then in its continued official denial of the Turkish identity of the community. Greece only accepts the existence of a "Muslim" minority in Thrace and aggressively prosecutes and bans organizations and individuals who seek to call themselves "Turkish." While it is indeed true that much of the minority is of mixed ethnic origins, it overwhelmingly claims an ethnic Turkish identity and wants to be referred to as such. The Greek government points to the Treaty of Lausanne, which speaks only about a "Muslim minority." Past government policy, however, negates such a justification. In the early 1950s, during a period of rapprochement between Greece and Turkey, the Greek government itself ordered the use of "Turk" and "Turkish" to refer to the minority, rather than "Muslim."
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Re: Greece human rights violations against its Turkish minor

Postby bill cobbett » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:32 pm

kimon07 wrote:
stpier wrote:The United States Helsinki Commission, an independent government agency charged with monitoring and securing compliance with international human rights standards, should hold hearings to spotlight Greece ’s subjugation of its Turkish minority in Western Thrace .


According to the existing conventions and agreements there is not such a thing as a "Turkish Minority" in Greece, let alone "Turkish Minorities". There are only Muslim Minorities i.e., about 160,000 Turkish speaking, (some of whom identify themselves as Turks) and the rest are Pomaks and Roma. On the contrary, the same treaties and conventions refer to a Greek Minority in Turkey of over 300,000 which was reduced, due to persecutions and atrocities to less than 3,000.

By the way: Has the progress report of the EU on Turkey been published? It was expected to be today and Bagis was going bananas these past few weeks.


Hear that the EU's Yet Another Lack of Turkish Progress Report is due to be published on the 16th.
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Re: Greece human rights violations against its Turkish minor

Postby kimon07 » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:35 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
kimon07 wrote:
stpier wrote:The United States Helsinki Commission, an independent government agency charged with monitoring and securing compliance with international human rights standards, should hold hearings to spotlight Greece ’s subjugation of its Turkish minority in Western Thrace .


According to the existing conventions and agreements there is not such a thing as a "Turkish Minority" in Greece, let alone "Turkish Minorities". There are only Muslim Minorities i.e., about 160,000 Turkish speaking, (some of whom identify themselves as Turks) and the rest are Pomaks and Roma. On the contrary, the same treaties and conventions refer to a Greek Minority in Turkey of over 300,000 which was reduced, due to persecutions and atrocities to less than 3,000.

By the way: Has the progress report of the EU on Turkey been published? It was expected to be today and Bagis was going bananas these past few weeks.


Hear that the EU's Yet Another Lack of Turkish Progress Report is due to be published on the 16th.


Oh dear!
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Re: Greece human rights violations against its Turkish minor

Postby Demonax » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:36 pm

Turkish Terror Against the Greek Muslims of Thrace

In early July 2013, I traveled to Thrace in northern Greece. This is still the land of the gods. Villages and towns try to make a living out of a natural world of rivers, valleys, wild mountains and the sea.

The Greeks of Thrace are proud of their Hellenic culture. I witness three days of dancing and music in Xanthi, the jewel town of Thrace. For a brief time I thought god Dionysos was leading his festival.

Forty-five dancing groups from all over Greece made up of dozens of young men and women dressed in ancient traditional costumes put up the greatest show on Earth at the center of Xanthi. Live music became dancing, the air became intoxicated with delightful sound and graceful movement one sees in ancient Greek vases. Ancient Greeks came back to life, and I, dreaming and dancing on the spot, lived the pleasure of those precious moments.

But Thrace is also full of pain. The modernizers are catching up. In my nine-hour bus ride from Athens to Xanthi I saw plenty of fertile land growing industrial crops but not food for people. The countryside is largely empty of rural people. The dread that comes over me in rural America was in the back of my mind while viewing the lonely land of Thrace. The similarities spoke to me directly.

In the midst of this agrarian desolation and, even more profoundly, on the harsh realities of Greek economic collapse, the Turks are rising their ugly historical brutality towards Greece. They see the weakness and silence of the Greek state as invitations to mischief. They are emboldened with their ceaseless aggression of coming back to Thrace as conquerors.

The Turks may try to convince the world they are not different than other people. But, down at heart, the Turks are different. They still carry Islam's flag of conquest.

The fifteenth-century Greek historian Michael Doukas described them as gangster-like nomads in search of loot and plunder. The Turks also used Islam as a weapon in their ruthless aggression against non-Muslims. Doukas said the Turks were men of violence bend on enslaving other people for profit. He knew the Turks intimately. He penned his "Byzantine-Turkish History" while the Turks fought ceaseless wars against the Greeks. In 1453, the Turks captured Constantinople and brought the independence of Greece to an end.

One can see this Turkish thirst for plunder unfolding in the Greek Muslim communities of Mt. Rodopi, the frontier between Greece and Bulgaria.

The Greeks of Rodopi date back to ancient Greece. In medieval Greece the Greeks of Rodopi were converted to Christianity. They remained Christians until the seventeenth century when Turkey forced them into Islam.

I visited Myki, one of the Greek Muslim villages of Rodopi. Driving from Xanthi, I was stunned by the beauty and isolation of these Greek mountain villages.

This bucolic view and pleasure is marred by a slow-gathering storm, however.

Many villagers are proud of being Greek. They say, however, that the agents of Turkey terrorize them and those who refuse to connect themselves to Turkey. The pressure is so intense that some women resort to anti-depressant drugs.

This secret war pits one-third of the Rodopi Muslim villagers who say they are Greeks against the two-thirds who claim openly they are Turks.

Greece remains invisible in this secret conflict that is writing the future of Thrace. Greece is even funding the teaching of Turkish to the Rodopi children. Some say that Greece even pressures the Rodopi villagers to claim Turkish origins.

I found no one who could explain this contradiction, nay, suicidal course of Greek policy.

Meanwhile, the handsome Greek Muslims of Rodopi go on with their daily lives. Most women and children wear traditional colorful clothing. Men work in their small tobacco fields and shepherd sheep and goats. Women in particular create works of art in their hand-made clothes.

Time has come to avoid the eruption of a Greco-Turkish volcano in the mountains of Thrace. The Greek state needs to be present in Rodopi: stop the Turkification of the Greek Muslim population by expelling the bribing and terrorizing agents of Turkey from Thrace.

Greece can hardly afford, much less promote, her own dismemberment.

Rodopi children need to learn Greek early on so they can study in Greece, thinking Greece as their homeland, which it is. Greece also needs to support the institutionalization of the knowledge of the villagers of Rodopi. That knowledge and tradition would be an asset in the peaceful and prosperous development of Thrace in a prosperous Greece.


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