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[Demonax]

From ‘To Vima’ (via google translate)

Federation of Greece, Cyprus and Israel

Even very late the Greek political shows anymore to have finally realized the obvious: that the relations between Greece and Israel not only be done as soon as possible closer, but must arrive at the extent of a real - not on paper - alliance. That is to stretch and deepen further and the even and intense cooperation at various levels. To reach the levels of the logic of Confederation, or why not, even the Federation?

A Mediterranean Federation of Greece, Cyprus and Israel, would change everything for all participants. The three countries have absolutely nothing to divide, not between them competitive factors or conflicts, while, in contrast, have too much to share, all adding something in every place and with the whole.

A federation of three states would mean that they have to manage together vast reserves of natural resources and manage them safely, since the armed forces would be able to provide efficient if needed. Israel has perhaps the best air force in the world, but has no real naval forces needed most, while Greece, with comparatively few investment can restore the War of the Navy in power levels much higher than any other country in the region.

Also, Israel is in dire need of strategic depth, which is missing, which would guarantee the Cyprus and Greece.

The integration of this large and critical areas of Israel to the Adriatic, will bring unprecedented developments with wider significance.

Also, the Jewish and the Greek diaspora, although work in depth and a system for common purposes, will emerge as a key force for developments in the United States.

At the same time, Greece, a member of NATO and the EU can support Israel through these two properties.

Of course, there is a very large field and economic cooperation, besides energy: too much those that can be made between the two states.

Great politics today would mean just that: to dare to go to Greece in new ways that open up new possibilities. To leap forward, to move forward, to change the agenda, find ways to restore its strength. And the creation of such a triple alliance or even federation, would help more than anything in this direction.

Would dare, or will stay in half measures and words?

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[miltiades]

Could this be a step closer to Piratis's dream of "Change in the Balance of Power" so often quoted by him on this forum.

In fact, if such an event of Historical proportions beyond imagination should take place the number of nations will be 4 and not 3, the USA would be very much a part of this " Federation".

[GreekIslandGirl]

Piratis spoke the truth and made some significant forecasts one of which, as you point out, Miltiades, was the need to hold on to what we have until the balance of power changes - as historically it always does. I would love to read his thoughts on present circumstances, but I hope he is having a great life at the moment whatever else he's concentrating on.

This alliance Greece initiated (thanks to Papandreou's friendship with Netanyahu) could be taken to the next level as all 3 states have common interests which remain very local to the south-eastern Mediterranean. Israel seems to be moving away from the very distant USA and as a step towards standing on her own two feet, Israel could do no better than ally itself with long-term historical cousins (us). Like Israel, I hope Miltiades sees the need to leave out the US and move more towards the EU. With the USA comes a lot of baggage and foreign economic interests that are not of benefit to the south-eastern Med.

[kimon07]

While PM Samaras, vice president and FM Venizelos and many other government members were participating in Israel to the first joint Israeli-Greek Cabinet meeting on various issues (from energy to defense cooperation) discussing the Greek-Israeli-Cyprus cooperation, the air forces of the two countries were and still are conducting another major joint exercise over mainland Greece, the Aegean and Greek Islands, with the participation of Greek war ships also.

In particular, the IAF participates with 12 F-15s (!!), 8 F-16s (!) and 4 aerial tankers KC-135 (!!!). The HAF participates with 6 F-16s, Block 52+.
The Israeli planes, after refueling in the air somewhere near Crete, flew to Melos where they trained against naval targets, then entered the Peloponnese from the south, flew towards Mesolongi, then to Thessaly, from there to the Island of Andros where, again they trained against war ships of the Hellenic Navy (HN).

The HN participates with two frigates and one missile fast craft which will have the chance to test their anti aircraft systems and tactics against the Israeli F15s for the first time, as, up to now, they were being “attacked” only by the Greek F16s, Mirages, F4s and A7s.
http://www.defencenet.gr/defence/item/% ... E%B9%CE%AC

Question: Why on earth would the Israelis want to train in anti ship operations such a long distance from home? Don’t they have their own navy ships to attack?

Oh and something more: The code name of the exercise: “ANDROMEDA 2013".

In Greek mythology, Andromeda is the daughter of Cepheus, king of Aethiopia and Cassiopeia. When Cassiopeia's hubris leads her to boast that Andromeda is more beautiful than the Nereids, Poseidon sends a sea monster to ravage Aethiopia as divine punishment.[1] Andromeda is chained to a rock as a sacrifice to sate the monster, but is saved from death by Perseus, her future husband.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andromeda_(mythology)

Now, who could be the “Princes” that “Perseus” (the flying hero) is now training to save and from which monster?

[miltiades]

Piratis spoke the truth and made some significant forecasts one of which, as you point out, Miltiades, was the need to hold on to what we have until the balance of power changes - as historically it always does. I would love to read his thoughts on present circumstances, but I hope he is having a great life at the moment whatever else he's concentrating on.

This alliance Greece initiated (thanks to Papandreou's friendship with Netanyahu) could be taken to the next level as all 3 states have common interests which remain very local to the south-eastern Mediterranean. Israel seems to be moving away from the very distant USA and as a step towards standing on her own two feet, Israel could do no better than ally itself with long-term historical cousins (us). Like Israel, I hope Miltiades sees the need to leave out the US and move more towards the EU. With the USA comes a lot of baggage and foreign economic interests that are not of benefit to the south-eastern Med.

You may recall, as an old timer, that I steadfastly supported closer ties with both Israel and the USA,you may also recall that a few years back when I was in Limassol, I came across graffiti and I obliterated. The graffiti said: F..Turkey, F..Israel F...America...

Im extremely happy to see that we are at long last looking after what is best for Cyprus.

[kimon07]

Piratis spoke the truth and made some significant forecasts one of which, as you point out, Miltiades, was the need to hold on to what we have until the balance of power changes - as historically it always does. I would love to read his thoughts on present circumstances, but I hope he is having a great life at the moment whatever else he's concentrating on.

This alliance Greece initiated (thanks to Papandreou's friendship with Netanyahu) could be taken to the next level as all 3 states have common interests which remain very local to the south-eastern Mediterranean. Israel seems to be moving away from the very distant USA and as a step towards standing on her own two feet, Israel could do no better than ally itself with long-term historical cousins (us). Like Israel, I hope Miltiades sees the need to leave out the US and move more towards the EU. With the USA comes a lot of baggage and foreign economic interests that are not of benefit to the south-eastern Med.

You may recall, as an old timer, that I steadfastly supported closer ties with both Israel and the USA,you may also recall that a few years back when I was in Limassol, I came across graffiti and I obliterated. The graffiti said: F..Turkey, F..Israel F...America...

Im extremely happy to see that we are at long last looking after what is best for Cyprus.

You also obliterated F...Turkey?

[Paphitis]

Piratis spoke the truth and made some significant forecasts one of which, as you point out, Miltiades, was the need to hold on to what we have until the balance of power changes - as historically it always does. I would love to read his thoughts on present circumstances, but I hope he is having a great life at the moment whatever else he's concentrating on.

This alliance Greece initiated (thanks to Papandreou's friendship with Netanyahu) could be taken to the next level as all 3 states have common interests which remain very local to the south-eastern Mediterranean. Israel seems to be moving away from the very distant USA and as a step towards standing on her own two feet, Israel could do no better than ally itself with long-term historical cousins (us). Like Israel, I hope Miltiades sees the need to leave out the US and move more towards the EU. With the USA comes a lot of baggage and foreign economic interests that are not of benefit to the south-eastern Med.

The RoC is not interested in any Federation with Israel and Greece. I doubt the Israelis are interested either.

The RoC did not establish close relations with Israel because of Greece. The RoC was the first to sign multiple bilateral agreemants with Israel because of the Natural Gas finds and because Israel requires the use of the Nicosia FIR to train its pilots.

Also, go back and do some research because it was actually I that spoke about changing the Balance of Power through Israel even before the MAVI incident. Piratis was merely talking about a Balance of Power shift after many decades whereas I recognize that a Balance of Power shift can occur by forming the right alliances!

[Paphitis]

While PM Samaras, vice president and FM Venizelos and many other government members were participating in Israel to the first joint Israeli-Greek Cabinet meeting on various issues (from energy to defense cooperation) discussing the Greek-Israeli-Cyprus cooperation, the air forces of the two countries were and still are conducting another major joint exercise over mainland Greece, the Aegean and Greek Islands, with the participation of Greek war ships also.

In particular, the IAF participates with 12 F-15s (!!), 8 F-16s (!) and 4 aerial tankers KC-135 (!!!). The HAF participates with 6 F-16s, Block 52+.
The Israeli planes, after refueling in the air somewhere near Crete, flew to Melos where they trained against naval targets, then entered the Peloponnese from the south, flew towards Mesolongi, then to Thessaly, from there to the Island of Andros where, again they trained against war ships of the Hellenic Navy (HN).

The HN participates with two frigates and one missile fast craft which will have the chance to test their anti aircraft systems and tactics against the Israeli F15s for the first time, as, up to now, they were being “attacked” only by the Greek F16s, Mirages, F4s and A7s.
http://www.defencenet.gr/defence/item/% ... E%B9%CE%AC

Question: Why on earth would the Israelis want to train in anti ship operations such a long distance from home? Don’t they have their own navy ships to attack?

Oh and something more: The code name of the exercise: “ANDROMEDA 2013".

In Greek mythology, Andromeda is the daughter of Cepheus, king of Aethiopia and Cassiopeia. When Cassiopeia's hubris leads her to boast that Andromeda is more beautiful than the Nereids, Poseidon sends a sea monster to ravage Aethiopia as divine punishment.[1] Andromeda is chained to a rock as a sacrifice to sate the monster, but is saved from death by Perseus, her future husband.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andromeda_(mythology)

Now, who could be the “Princes” that “Perseus” (the flying hero) is now training to save and from which monster?

The answer to your question is easy!

The Hellenic Navy is one of the best in the world. The IAF is also one of the best.

The IAF is training for possible long range airstrikes against Iran which is what they will do if Mossad become aware that Iran have developed a Nuclear Strike capability.

The F15/F16 will operate on the edge of their envelope at these ranges with ordnance. They will not be able to carry enough fuel to return back to Israel, hence the use of KC-135 Tankers. The IAF will need to refuel over a friendly country such as UAE, Bahrain, or Qatar. Or they will need to overfly through the straights get fuel from the American KC-135s from Diego Garcia or Bahrain.

Israeli KC-135 may be able to refuel the Israeli jets from Jordanian Airspace.

The Greeks are helping the IAF train for this scenario. It will involve an array of sea and land targets. The IAF will be able to train against a capable Navy and the Helenic Navy gets the opportunity to hone its skills against the notorious IAF.

[supporttheunderdog]

It is nearly always good to train with others as they might use different equipment and/or techniques that need to be taken into account.

[Get Real!]

I wouldn't take the Greek press too seriously.